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 Post subject: BYU Prof John L Lund Stealing Artifacts - What Happened?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:55 pm 
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http://chronicle.com/article/Retired-US ... Is/127575/

So did former BYU Professor,  John L Lund, ever go back to Israel and face charges that he was illegally trafficking in stolen artifacts as he was charged with? Anyone know what happened with this guy and the charges filed against him? Or did he just forfeit bail thinking it was the most efficient way out of facing charges?

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 Post subject: Re: BYU Prof John L Lund Stealing Artifacts - What Happened?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:06 pm 
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Doesn't look like he's headed to Israel any time soon.


http://funforlesstours.com/educator.i?c ... ucatorid=2

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 Post subject: Re: BYU Prof John L Lund Stealing Artifacts - What Happened?
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Wow, while following that link, it looks like John Lund is using Joseph Smith to pimp his tours. He all but guarantees that tour attendees will see Book of Mormon ruins, based on Joseph's writings in the Times and Seasons.

JOSEPH SMITH IDENTIFIED ZARAHEMLA AS BEING IN GUATEMALA

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 Post subject: Re: BYU Prof John L Lund Stealing Artifacts - What Happened?
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Wow, while following that link, it looks like John Lund is using Joseph Smith to pimp his tours. He all but guarantees that tour attendees will see Book of Mormon ruins, based on Joseph's writings in the Times and Seasons.

JOSEPH SMITH IDENTIFIED ZARAHEMLA AS BEING IN GUATEMALA



Was Times and Season an Official Church Publication?

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Doesn't look like he's headed to Israel any time soon.

http://funforlesstours.com/educator.i?c ... ucatorid=2


Up next is the China Yangtze #1 Tour On Earth!

Wish he could smuggle in some drink mix from the Tang Ju Tse Dynasty.

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 Post subject: Re: BYU Prof John L Lund Stealing Artifacts - What Happened?
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lulu wrote:
Doesn't look like he's headed to Israel any time soon.

http://funforlesstours.com/educator.i?c ... ucatorid=2


Up next is the China Yangtze #1 Tour On Earth!

Wish he could smuggle in some drink mix from the Tang Ju Tse Dynasty.


He better be careful. You piss'em off in China, there's no bail about it, they just shoot you in the back of the head and strip out your organs for spare parts.

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 Post subject: Re: BYU Prof John L Lund Stealing Artifacts - What Happened?
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lulu wrote:
Sethbag wrote:
Wow, while following that link, it looks like John Lund is using Joseph Smith to pimp his tours. He all but guarantees that tour attendees will see Book of Mormon ruins, based on Joseph's writings in the Times and Seasons.

JOSEPH SMITH IDENTIFIED ZARAHEMLA AS BEING IN GUATEMALA



Was Times and Season and Official Church Publication?

With Joseph Smith as its editor, what do you think?

Remember, BCSpace wasn't born until probably a good 120-140 years later.

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 Post subject: Re: BYU Prof John L Lund Stealing Artifacts - What Happened?
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Wow, while following that link, it looks like John Lund is using Joseph Smith to pimp his tours. He all but guarantees that tour attendees will see Book of Mormon ruins, based on Joseph's writings in the Times and Seasons.


He makes a pretty good case against Meldrum. But it is also a good case against an LGT, particularly a Mesoamerican one with his "both sides of the Rio Grande".

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 Post subject: Re: BYU Prof John L Lund Stealing Artifacts - What Happened?
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lulu wrote:
Was Times and Season an Official Church Publication?

Sethbag wrote:
With Joseph Smith as its editor, what do you think?
Remember, BCSpace wasn't born until probably a good 120-140 years later.


I always defer to bcspace on these matters, when I can get him to answer.

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 Post subject: Re: BYU Prof John L Lund Stealing Artifacts - What Happened?
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So... no update on the charges?

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 Post subject: Re: BYU Prof John L Lund Stealing Artifacts - What Happened?
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I believe John L. Lund was threatened with a Church Court for embarassing the Church in the Media, so he resigned and became a Baha'i.


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 Post subject: Re: BYU Prof John L Lund Stealing Artifacts - What Happened?
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It would not surprise me in the least if he just walk on the bail/bond he posted and decided to never go back to Israel and face charges. The cost of defense and publicity to the Church are most likely driving his decision.  I suspect his hands are not clean and he concluded a $7500 bond was a cheap price to pay. He never goes back to Israel but can do his tour schtick elsewhere.  He just has to stay out of the artifact trade.

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 Post subject: Re: BYU Prof John L Lund Stealing Artifacts - What Happened?
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Joey wrote:
It would not surprise me in the least if he just walk on the bail/bond he posted and decided to never go back to Israel and face charges. The cost of defense and publicity to the Church are most likely driving his decision.  I suspect his hands are not clean and he concluded a $7500 bond was a cheap price to pay. He never goes back to Israel but can do his tour schtick elsewhere.  He just has to stay out of the artifact trade.


Makes me wonder who paid his bail, if he's worried about publicity to the church.

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 Post subject: Re: BYU Prof John L Lund Stealing Artifacts - What Happened?
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harmony wrote:
Joey wrote:
It would not surprise me in the least if he just walk on the bail/bond he posted and decided to never go back to Israel and face charges. The cost of defense and publicity to the Church are most likely driving his decision.  I suspect his hands are not clean and he concluded a $7500 bond was a cheap price to pay. He never goes back to Israel but can do his tour schtick elsewhere.  He just has to stay out of the artifact trade.


Makes me wonder who paid his bail, if he's worried about publicity to the church.


I'm sure he got help from contacts at BYU Jerusalem.

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