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 Post subject: Re: The LDS members and the Kingdom of God
PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 8:05 am 
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You knew what the question was about, that it was a real fire, so your suggestion was really dumb. Now you want to change the question. I am fine with different questions, but the initial question was not about a spiritual fire. If you want people to understand what you mean, you need to be more specific that you are changing things like the initial question. The spiritual fire is meaningless with the initial question, which was who you would decide to pull out of a burning building if you only had time to get one out.


I apologize for the confusion. I was addressing the initial question regarding physical fire, only afterwards explaining that physical fire is an image of God's Presence, which will burn away all that is false. The difference being, in God's Presence, in spiritual fire, I don't think we can help one another, by 'preaching' as we could in physical fire! So the 'preaching' I wished to offer in physical fire would be to prepare a soul to be in the Presence of God.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 8:07 am 
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Just how many times in Biblical history did all of the people or even a majority of them follow the Lord the way they should? With all of the support from God by supplying prophets, Kings, and Apostles one might think that the Jews or the Christians would collect around the truth. But just as we are all sinners we are all weak. The world is strong and we do fall. So very few actually read scripture with spiritual eyes and discern the message from God. This is a problem of man and not of any one church. All churches suffer the same fate. They all need to be reset all of the time.



Indeed, Frank. Most of humanity has not evolved so that they might follow the Lord. But God promised there would always be a remnant remaining among us, to assist us, to guide us, to carry forward God's Light in this world for the benefit of all.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:34 am 
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sheryl wrote:

I apologize for the confusion. I was addressing the initial question regarding physical fire, only afterwards explaining that physical fire is an image of God's Presence, which will burn away all that is false. The difference being, in God's Presence, in spiritual fire, I don't think we can help one another, by 'preaching' as we could in physical fire! So the 'preaching' I wished to offer in physical fire would be to prepare a soul to be in the Presence of God.

Sheryl


You might try using language in the same way everyone else does, thereby creating less confusion. Just a thought.

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 Post subject: Re: The LDS members and the Kingdom of God
PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:37 am 
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sheryl wrote:
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Just how many times in Biblical history did all of the people or even a majority of them follow the Lord the way they should? With all of the support from God by supplying prophets, Kings, and Apostles one might think that the Jews or the Christians would collect around the truth. But just as we are all sinners we are all weak. The world is strong and we do fall. So very few actually read scripture with spiritual eyes and discern the message from God. This is a problem of man and not of any one church. All churches suffer the same fate. They all need to be reset all of the time.



Indeed, Frank. Most of humanity has not evolved so that they might follow the Lord. But God promised there would always be a remnant remaining among us, to assist us, to guide us, to carry forward God's Light in this world for the benefit of all.


The everyone is wrong if they don't believe my way. I wouldn't suggest you two get together. You may find out how much you really don't agree. Interesting frank uses Biblical history, since the vast majority of history has knowing to do with it, and they have their supernatural beliefs as well. Funny how one's spiritual eye sees differently then anothers spiritual eye.

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 Post subject: Re: The LDS members and the Kingdom of God
PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:35 pm 
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Many are called to be martyrs today and many more will be called in the not too distance future.


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 Post subject: Re: The LDS members and the Kingdom of God
PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 5:24 pm 
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Indeed, Frank. Most of humanity has not evolved so that they might follow the Lord. But God promised there would always be a remnant remaining among us, to assist us, to guide us, to carry forward God's Light in this world for the benefit of all.


This implies that there are not that many spirits that are in such a state to make the commitment to seeking and do the things required to walk the right path. I guess God has to spread them out over time. If this is true then I have to wonder what it will take in order to advance some souls. If this creation is indeed a sorting environment (sheep and goats) then the spirit children have a lot to learn.


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 Post subject: Re: The LDS members and the Kingdom of God
PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 5:55 pm 
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Come now Drifting. Are you not aware of Christian martyrs?

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Here we read a reference to the martyrs from Christ time and still going on today. There is also mention of the expected martyrs in the end times. Notice that this group is gathered below the altar.

Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white, in the blood of the Lamb.

These may be the people Christ was talking about.

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.


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 Post subject: Re: The LDS members and the Kingdom of God
PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:54 pm 
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Franktalk wrote:
This implies that there are not that many spirits that are in such a state to make the commitment to seeking and do the things required to walk the right path. I guess God has to spread them out over time. If this is true then I have to wonder what it will take in order to advance some souls. If this creation is indeed a sorting environment (sheep and goats) then the spirit children have a lot to learn.


Many are called but few are chosen.

Indeed there are only a few incarnate upon this world who are ready to walk the path to Unity with God. Many are still developing the necessary faith. And there are some who are just beginning, who are still ruled completely by the bestial self and behave in beastly ways. We all know of countries where the majority of inhabitants are brutal, living a brutal existence, not much different than the beasts of the field - kill or be killed.

It is quite obvious in this world that each of us are on a unique journey, and are in different places in that journey. And if the plan were that we make it or break it in one life, then our Creator is mean, ruthless and without mercy. I care not to unify with such a 'God'. I care not to be in such a 'God's Presence', and encourage all to run far from such teachings.

It is this lie that causes us to polarize into thoughts such as I am right and you are wrong. I often say we are all right, and we are all wrong. We are all just where we are meant to be, for our God is a perfect God, and His Creation is good, very good. Just as it is. It is our spiritual blindness, our limited awareness (not able to see beyond our experiences in this one life, nor able to see beyond what we personally feel or think), that causes us to declare others wrong. To put it simply, in our blindness, we cannot see what they can see, what causes them to conclude as they conclude.

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 Post subject: Re: The LDS members and the Kingdom of God
PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 8:38 pm 
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Sheryl,

I suspect there is a lot more going on than I know. But for now I will concentrate on what I can learn about. I still have much to learn about scripture.

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 Post subject: Re: The LDS members and the Kingdom of God
PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 8:47 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: The LDS members and the Kingdom of God
PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:30 am 
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Franktalk wrote:
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Come now Drifting. Are you not aware of Christian martyrs?

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Here we read a reference to the martyrs from Christ time and still going on today. There is also mention of the expected martyrs in the end times. Notice that this group is gathered below the altar.

Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white, in the blood of the Lamb.

These may be the people Christ was talking about.

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.


Frank, you said


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Many are called to be martyrs today and many more will be called in the not too distance future.


My CFR is on the martyrs of today. Who is being called to martyrdom TODAY?

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My CFR is on the martyrs of today. Who is being called to martyrdom TODAY?


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 Post subject: Re: The LDS members and the Kingdom of God
PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:12 am 
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My CFR is on the martyrs of today. Who is being called to martyrdom TODAY?


How odd that you are not aware of Christians being killed today. Do you live under a rock?

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-01-11/worl ... s=PM:WORLD

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/ ... Q220111010

http://www.asianews.it/news-en/At-least ... 13658.html

http://www.christiantelegraph.com/issue2771.html

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/jihad.htm

Maybe you should book a vacation to one of these countries and check it out yourself. And to see first hand wear a big Christian cross.


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 Post subject: Re: The LDS members and the Kingdom of God
PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:51 am 
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Franktalk wrote:
Drifting wrote:
My CFR is on the martyrs of today. Who is being called to martyrdom TODAY?


How odd that you are not aware of Christians being killed today. Do you live under a rock?

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-01-11/worl ... s=PM:WORLD

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/ ... Q220111010

http://www.asianews.it/news-en/At-least ... 13658.html

http://www.christiantelegraph.com/issue2771.html

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/jihad.htm

Maybe you should book a vacation to one of these countries and check it out yourself. And to see first hand wear a big Christian cross.


Maybe you should read up on what constitutes martyrdom...

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Martyr - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
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11 Dec 2011 – a person who voluntarily suffers death as the penalty of witnessing to and refusing to renounce a religion. 2. : a person who sacrifices ...

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 Post subject: Re: The LDS members and the Kingdom of God
PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:52 am 
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Maybe you should read up on what constitutes martyrdom...

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Martyr - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/martyr
11 Dec 2011 – a person who voluntarily suffers death as the penalty of witnessing to and refusing to renounce a religion. 2. : a person who sacrifices ...


Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends.

Surely there are many who lay down their lives for their religious beliefs- Muslims, Hindus, Christians, etc. but this is not what Jesus is talking about. And such are not the martyrs being spoken of in Revelation.

Until one's heart has been opened to encompass all beings, this is not something easily understood.

The nature of true Love is sacrifice or offering of oneself for the benefit of those whom they love, until we come to full self-offering, the laying down of one's self or one's very life for his friends, we are not able to enter into the Kingdom. It is a kingdom of Love, Divine Love, for God is Love, and until that Love manifests in us and through us, through a willingness to offer oneself fully, one cannot enter in. This is the Key!

In my childhood Jesus was of course taught as a martyr, but a story of another true martyr that also touched my heart was in The Tale of Two Cities, where love compels one to offer themselves for another. The Tale of Two Cities is not about any religious doctrine or idea, but it is about true martyrdom.

We have a lot of so-called martyrs in this world who are not Biblical martyrs, for they die for some idea about God, for their personal religious beliefs, all the while filled with hatred for other beings. This is not God. Thus they die in hate and not in love, not in God.

No where are we asked to die 'for God' or for our beliefs about God, for how will anyone benefit from us simply dying for our beliefs? Instead we are called to lay down our lives for one another. We have been taught to love and to offer ourselves fully in that love, and eventually on the path to salvation we will reach a point where we willingly offer ourselves, engage in a full self offering, purely for the benefit of others' and their journey back to God.

Something else that has been lost through the centuries is the meaning of true righteousness. The Hebrew and Greek words translated as righteous point to this something that has been lost: giving. God's righteousness is about being the perfect Giver. God so loved the world that he gave...giving. We so love that we give. To enter the Kingdom we must love as God loved, give as God gave, be adorned in the righteousness, the giving, of Christ.

There is no greater love than to give of oneself fully for the benefit of others. This is the Key to the Kingdom!

Shalom!

Sheryl


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:22 am 
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Just how many times in Biblical history did all of the people or even a majority of them follow the Lord the way they should? With all of the support from God by supplying prophets, Kings, and Apostles one might think that the Jews or the Christians would collect around the truth. But just as we are all sinners we are all weak. The world is strong and we do fall. So very few actually read scripture with spiritual eyes and discern the message from God. This is a problem of man and not of any one church. All churches suffer the same fate. They all need to be reset all of the time.




That, which I've highlighted, you have correct, Frank!
Using biblical language we are called "sinners". However, in current, common language it seems more appropriate, less defamatory, to say humans are prone to error while on their learning curves. Since we all share that human trait there is no need to condemn. Rather we should be understanding & helpful, IMO. . . True we all have weaknesses of various kinds & degrees that we can help each other overcome, as i understand Jesus' teachings. Wouldn't you agree?

Yes, churches do need to be reset. Not easy overcoming 1,000s of years of error & ignorance. So much indoctrination! But little by little, sport field brutality and drinking wine, water & grape juice as Jesus' blood will lose favor with the human mass.

Time was when there were no "Smoke Free" public places! "Wheel Chair Access" was unknown. As was integration in schools and work places! Now they're taken for granted
in North America & other enlightened parts of the world. Time will come when the spirit of civility will trump the letters that support hostility, corruption and greed. . .

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Sheryl,

We are told to have faith even unto death. In some cases people are asked to deny Christ and take another faith. True faith will not allow someone to deny Christ, they would rather die and leave this world. This is the classic martyr. I know you already know this. Many people give their life to Christ but never face death the way I just described. It is easy for some sitting in their chair surrounded by laws and armies that protect them. I have to wonder just how many would face death for what they believe? I know millions have given their lives in Christ name over the years. But not here in the States. How quickly some lose their God given sight.


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That, which I've highlighted, you have correct, Frank!
Using biblical language we are called "sinners". However, in current, common language it seems more appropriate, less defamatory, to say humans are prone to error while on their learning curves. Since we all share that human trait there is no need to condemn. Rather we should be understanding & helpful, IMO. . . True we all have weaknesses of various kinds & degrees that we can help each other overcome, as i understand Jesus' teachings. Wouldn't you agree?

Yes, churches do need to be reset. Not easy overcoming 1,000s of years of error & ignorance. So much indoctrination! But little by little, sport field brutality and drinking wine, water & grape juice as Jesus' blood will lose favor with the human mass.

Time was when there were no "Smoke Free" public places! "Wheel Chair Access" was unknown. As was integration in schools and work places! Now they're taken for granted
in North America & other enlightened parts of the world. Time will come when the spirit of civility will trump the letters that support hostility, corruption and greed. . .

Enjoy your moments! Roger


We see in scripture that Jesus came to bring down religion/churches as the world had known such until that time.

No longer was Gods' Presence only accessible through Priests or Elders or through certain buildings or places.

Through Jesus' perfect giving, we now had access to God directly, men and women alike, any place, any time. We no longer needed men or to be approved by men, or church Elders, before we could draw close to God. We no longer needed special places or buildings or Temples erected. For we are the Temples of God and can draw close to him within our self, engage in worship, wonderworking, in ourselves, anytime and anyplace.

And no longer did God give spiritual authority over others to any man or collective of men.

This does not mean that there would no longer be sages, Apostles and Prophets. Only that they were given to us now to help, according to our free will asking, no longer having any religious authority over us.

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We are told to have faith even unto death. In some cases people are asked to deny Christ and take another faith. True faith will not allow someone to deny Christ, they would rather die and leave this world. This is the classic martyr. I know you already know this. Many people give their life to Christ but never face death the way I just described. It is easy for some sitting in their chair surrounded by laws and armies that protect them. I have to wonder just how many would face death for what they believe? I know millions have given their lives in Christ name over the years. But not here in the States. How quickly some lose their God given sight.


Dear Frank,

1 Cor 13:13 And now faith, hope, and love remain, these three; and the greatest of these is love.

Indeed faith is important, but faith in what? What Christ are we not to deny?

Christ as defined by other men, by religions? Christ is we find evidence for? The Christ of doctrines, opinions and ideas?

There is a difference in giving up our life for Christ, and giving up our life to prove how much we think we are right? Do you see the difference?

I will die for you God because I think I am right! Is this martyrdom? There are lots of people in this world, suicide bombers for example, who are willing to die to prove how much they think they are right, and if we are dying to prove ourselves right, we are dying to prove others wrong. Is this love? Is this hope?

What does faith that walks with hope and love look like?

The faith that the Bible calls us to is much greater than this, and it only grows, or flourishes, develops, with hope and love. And in the end only faith, hope and love remain. And so if we walk towards martyrdom without these, what will remain as we die? Nothing, at least this is what Paul teaches, yes? And without love, it is all just noise, distraction. So if we die without love, we have died in vain. For no reason at all.

Without love, our faith is nothing, it is merely noise, and giving our life for empty faith is not martyrdom.

So what is this faith that walks with hope and love?

Hebrews 11 gives us a wonderful discourse on faith.

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. For by it the elders obtained a good testimony.
By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.


But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.

By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going.

These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them, embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For those who say such things declare plainly that they seek a homeland. And truly if they had called to mind that country from which they had come out, they would have had opportunity to return. But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.

Others were tortured, not accepting deliverance, that they might obtain a better resurrection. Still others had trial of mockings and scourgings, yes, and of chains and imprisonment. They were stoned, they were sawn in two, were tempted, were slain with the sword. They wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins, being destitute, afflicted, tormented— of whom the world was not worthy. They wandered in deserts and mountains, in dens and caves of the earth.

And all these, having obtained a good testimony through faith, did not receive the promise, God having provided something better for us, that they should not be made perfect apart from us.


The faith that scripture speaks of is faith in things that are unseen. It is not faith in ideas about God, or doctrines, or religions or prophets, or faith in any evidence of our ideas about God. We cannot prove our faith to others with anything that is seen in this world. The only proof of our faith is love.

The outward manifestation of our faith is love, the inward manifestation is a devotion and focus not on this world, but on things unseen.

Those who have faith are not walking focusing on this world They are not focusing on events that unfold in this world or what all the evidence in this world is pointing to.

The faith that we are called to is inexplicable. It rises from within. It is a trust, a knowing, a certainty, that all is and will continue to unfold according to God's will, no matter how things appear in this world. And so in such faith, such trust, we can simply love. We do not need to prove ourselves, or stand up for ourselves or our beliefs, we just love, no matter what happens in this world.

Now in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went to them, walking on the sea. And when the disciples saw Him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, “It is a ghost!” And they cried out for fear. But immediately Jesus spoke to them, saying, “Be of good cheer! It is I; do not be afraid.” And Peter answered Him and said, “Lord, if it is You, command me to come to You on the water.” So He said, “Come.” And when Peter had come down out of the boat, he walked on the water to go to Jesus. But when he saw that the wind was boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink he cried out, saying, “Lord, save me!” And immediately Jesus stretched out His hand and caught him, and said to him, “O you of little faith, why did you doubt?” And when they got into the boat, the wind ceased.

Head in the clouds, feet on earth. Focusing above, on Christ, walking here in hope for all beings - that all will receive the promises, loving all as though they are our self. This is the Key.

Faith, hope and love are the only things that remain, the only things that will bring us into the Kingdom, for these are the Kingdom, the greatest being Love. And if we do not love all, walk in hope for all, walk in faith of God's Power and Ability to heal all, to save all, to redeem, no matter how things appear here, we will not remain. If we do not have hope and love for all things, faith in all things, full faith in God, then we will fall away just like everything else that is temporal in this world.

We must become as that which remains. We must become Love, Hope and Faith.

Colossians 3

If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God. Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth. For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.

When our focus is on Christ, when we love fully, we offer ourselves fully to Christ, to be used in this world to benefit others. So it is not that our life is taken from us by those who are wrong or evil, but that we willingly lay down our life, we do not resist others who wish us harm, loving all, trusting God.

As it was with Isaac. Did you know that he was 35 when Abraham took him up the mountain to sacrifice him? Isaac went willingly with his Father, fully understanding what was unfolding, trusting as Abraham that God would indeed provide all that was needed, meaning that if God called for Isaac to lay down his life, it would not have been a sacrifice, Isaac loving fully in self offering, understanding that if God wanted his life, he himself must not need it anymore.

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 Post subject: Re: The LDS members and the Kingdom of God
PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:09 am 
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Hi Sheryl,

Yes I am aware of the age of Isaac when Abraham was called. I wonder what kind of relationship Isaac had with God prior to going with his father.

You are right that we are to be driven by love and not an idea. Man kills and dies for many ideas. But to love God and desire to be with Him drives many. If you seek God and someone tells you to deny Him then you must decide. Is my life worth the risk of not going to the one I love. But can we deny Christ and still go to Him? Of course we can. Peter denied Christ three times, but that was before Pentecost. After Peter received the Holy Spirit would he deny Christ? I don't think so. If you are filled with the Holy Spirit the Holy Spirit will not deny Christ.

You are right when we are driven by love and follow the spirit we go where we should. When we go based on earthly desires we may mimic the behavior of the righteous but we only serve our self and not God. The worldly can not see the difference.

It is so nice to chat with you.

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 Post subject: Re: The LDS members and the Kingdom of God
PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:41 am 
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I think we should stand back and view the world's religions as several competing ideas or spiritual awakenings. Each spiritual awakening leads to many branches where man's ideas pry apart some original truth. One original truth is that God is all powerful. Some have latched onto that and used that idea to rule over people and kill people in order to gain control over a larger part of humanity. It has been a long practice of Satan to use half truths. The spiritual truth of love has brought many into religion but the seeking to know exactly what is God has made many branches in doctrine. And of course there are the religions where a single man is placed between God and you. This breaks the personal relationship between you and God and serves man's will and not God's. So how does the LDS church line up with all of this? I can say that for me it is a restored Gospel and a reset of the authority to perform the ordinances. But at the same time there is enough for many to stumble on. This is normal and we see this in the Bible as well. To the degree that the LDS church is successful it will be driven by the Spirit. To the degree it is not successful it will be driven by man.


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