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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:13 am 
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2012/03/13/Chris%20Rock%20Attacks%20Conservative%20Author%20Over%20Tea%20Party%20Question

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“Chris Rock shouted, ‘You want to throw down? Let’s throw down right now!’ Of course, he was standing safely behind two bodyguards when he said it.”

The clash was ignited when Jason Mattera inquired about disparaging comments Chris Rock made about the Tea Party in an Esquire article in 2011:

When I see the Tea Party and all this stuff, it actually feels like racism's almost over. Because this is the last — this is the act up before the sleep. They're going crazy. They're insane. You want to get rid of them — and the next thing you know, they're f*****g knocked out. And that's what's going on in the country right now.

Jason Mattera says his confrontation with Chris Rock is just the opening salvo in a series of forthcoming ambush celebrity interviews with some of the big name stars he chronicles in Hollywood Hypocrites.

“Hollywood celebrities preach to us to vote for Barack Obama and his leftist policies, yet not even they live by the values Obama and the progressive left stand for,” said Mattera. “If conservatives and Republicans are going to win in 2012, we must muzzle Obama’s backers. And that starts with a full-scale investigation of the positions they take and the lives they actually lead.”

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 Post subject: Re: Liberals get violent when their claims are challenged
PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:16 pm 
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Yes, BC.

It is entirely honest and fair to conclude that "Liberals get violent..." based on one person's reaction to what this loser calls an "ambush interview."

If you are going to generalize, why not base it on race: "Black people get violent when challenged"? It's just as valid. Or you could broad-brush all comedians instead.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:45 pm 
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Hollywood is a deeply insular, culturally isolated and adversarial artist colony of artistic elites and bohemian intellectuals who's intense hostility to the mainstream of the culture surrounding them is difficult to fathom.

Chris Rock is just another moral and intellectual nonentity who's money, success, fame, and intense need of the social approval of his peers has gone to his head and displaced the original contents.

His violent response (Common among contemporary media elites, especially in the mainstream news media, where the "hate speech" routinely associated (with little empirical basis and a great deal of word gaming) with conservatives is actually de rigeur and accepted without comment as an appropriate response to conservative ideas or criticisms of the Left) is to be expected.

Leftists like Rock have no rational, coherent belief system to argue for, nor any critically serious arguments to put forth for those things they do believe, most of which is primarily emotion/feeling based.

Rock doesn't have the slightest idea what the Tea Party really believes, nor, like most of the Hollywood glitterati, does he care to know. To be invited to the right parties, to be praised, vetted, and bathed in the saliva of the right people, the right critics, and the right producers, and indeed, to work in Hollywood at all, he's got to wade everywhere he goes chin deep in PC.

Given some of the race based humor I've heard Rock dish out (that a white comedian would be burnt alive for), I'm not at all sure Rock is what one would call "colorblind." Nor do I think he's free of the black power ideology that infects other black actors and artists such as Samuel L. Jackson, Spike Lee, John Singleton, and Stalinist Danny Glover.

The anger is just a sign that he doesn't know what he's talking about and, at some level, knows it.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:48 pm 
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Yes, BC.

It is entirely honest and fair to conclude that "Liberals get violent..." based on one person's reaction to what this loser calls an "ambush interview."

If you are going to generalize, why not base it on race: "Black people get violent when challenged"? It's just as valid. Or you could broad-brush all comedians instead.


No, its just one of the defining features of the Left, and has been for two centuries. Other examples abound on the modern American Left.

The old Air America Radio daily line-up was basically a single, continuing expression of anger, hatred, bigotry, and violent hostility to anything and everything non-leftist. As one conservative put it at the time, Air America Radio was "All hate, all the time."

Kind of like Keith Olbermann, who is kind of like Chris Matthews, who is kind of like Bill Maher, who is kind of like Chris Rock, who is kind of like Madonna, who is kind of like Megan Fox, who is kind of like Andrei Codrescu, who is kind of like Howard Dean, who is kind of like Alec Baldwin, who is kind of like Craig Kilborn, who is kind of like Alexander Cockburn, who is kind of like Paul Begala, who is kind of like Sarah Bernhard, who is kind of like Janeane Garofalo, who is kind of like (the admittedly deranged) Sean Penn, who is kind of like...

This could go on for days.

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 Post subject: Re: Liberals get violent when their claims are challenged
PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:29 pm 
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Yes, BC.

Kind of like Keith Olbermann, who is kind of like Chris Matthews, who is kind of like Bill Maher, who is kind of like Chris Rock, who is kind of like Madonna, who is kind of like Megan Fox, who is kind of like Andrei Codrescu, who is kind of like Howard Dean, who is kind of like Alec Baldwin, who is kind of like Craig Kilborn, who is kind of like Alexander Cockburn, who is kind of like Paul Begala, who is kind of like Sarah Bernhard, who is kind of like Janeane Garofalo, who is kind of like (the admittedly deranged) Sean Penn, who is kind of like...

This could go on for days.


I notice Amy Goodman isn't on you're list. She's been on the receiving end of actual brutal violence many times.

This isn't resulting to violence. Its nothing more than foolish grunting and posturing. Also, Chris Rock is supposed to represent the leftists somehow? I'm card carrying pinko scum and I don't much care for the guy. I just don't think he's funny at all.

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 Post subject: Re: Liberals get violent when their claims are challenged
PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:32 pm 
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Leftists like Rock have no rational, coherent belief system to argue for, nor any critically serious arguments to put forth for those things they do believe, most of which is primarily emotion/feeling based.


You do realize that Noam Chomsky is both a leftist and one of the most brilliant people on the planet, don't you? He hardly lacks coherency. Seriously.... You need a lesson on rhetorical arguments and what kind of person it is that pathos most appeals too.

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 Post subject: Re: Liberals get violent when their claims are challenged
PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:36 pm 
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You do realize that Noam Chomsky is both a leftist and one of the most brilliant people on the planet, don't you? He hardly lacks coherency. Seriously.... You need a lesson on rhetorical arguments and what kind of person it is that pathos most appeals too.


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Droopy has replaced reality with his own paradigm. If you don't deal with it and instead argue for the old paradigm, known as reality you're a New Left leftist who has suckled from the teat of Bill Ayers and Saul Alinsky since 1968. You don't know it buy you're one leftist whisper from being duped into moving to the mountains of Cuba and becoming a totally radicalized socialist guerrilla in training to overthrow the United States of America with the full support of China, Cuba, and the Mayan Planet X. Close your ears and protect yourself from fellow travelers, pinkos, socialists, and everyone else in the Communist conspiracy aimed at putting the final nail in the coffin of the pure libertarian free market utopia that we all know we want.

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 Post subject: Re: Liberals get violent when their claims are challenged
PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:11 pm 
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Liberal violence related to the OP also includes violating the free speech of others or forcefully "re-educating" them.

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 Post subject: Re: Liberals get violent when their claims are challenged
PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:17 pm 
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Liberal violence related to the OP also includes violating the free speech of others or forcefully "re-educating" them.


"Occupy" crackdowns. I guess a cop pepper spraying kids "sitting in" is free speech?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIccco4PRRk&feature=fvst

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:24 pm 
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Kind of like Keith Olbermann, who is kind of like Chris Matthews, who is kind of like Bill Maher, who is kind of like Chris Rock, who is kind of like Madonna, who is kind of like Megan Fox, who is kind of like Andrei Codrescu, who is kind of like Howard Dean, who is kind of like Alec Baldwin, who is kind of like Craig Kilborn, who is kind of like Alexander Cockburn, who is kind of like Paul Begala, who is kind of like Sarah Bernhard, who is kind of like Janeane Garofalo, who is kind of like (the admittedly deranged) Sean Penn, who is kind of like...

This could go on for days.


Kind of like Timothy McVey?

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 Post subject: Re: Liberals get violent when their claims are challenged
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Liberal violence related to the OP also includes violating the free speech of others or forcefully "re-educating" them.

Some examples, please?

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I notice Amy Goodman isn't on you're list. She's been on the receiving end of actual brutal violence many times.


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This isn't resulting to violence. Its nothing more than foolish grunting and posturing. Also, Chris Rock is supposed to represent the leftists somehow? I'm card carrying pinko scum and I don't much care for the guy. I just don't think he's funny at all.


"Grunting and posturing? Hardly. Sean Hannity just the other day played an entire montage of leftist vileness, including wishes for horrible death, violence, murder, and programs against conservatives by numerous leftist public figures. Michelle Malkin has a page dedicated to it. These are specific insults and calls for violence against conservatives, not "grunts."

As far as public pundits, politicians, and public intellectuals go, its the very commonness of this kind of speech, and its relative rarity on the Right that is of the most interest (just as is the vast differences in behavior by the Tea Party vs. the Occupy movement at its rallies and marches).

Perhaps the most urbane and reserved of the lot was the now infamous quip of USA Today columnist and Pacifica Radio talk show host Juilann Malveaux regarding Justice Clarance Thomas:

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"The man is on the Court. You know, I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do, of heart disease. Well, that’s how I feel. He is an absolutely reprehensible person."


But this is, of course, only the proverbial tip of the iceberg:

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"Can Ken Starr ignore the apparent breadth of the sympathetic response to the President’s speech? Facially, it finally dawned on me that the person Ken Starr has reminded me of facially all this time was Heinrich Himmler...


- Keith Olbermann on MSNBC’s Big Show, Aug. 18, 1998.

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- National Public Radio and ABC News reporter Nina Totenberg to Inside Washington host Tina Gulland about Jesse Helm's statement that the government spent too much on AIDS research in relation to other diseases.

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“I’m waiting for the day when I pick it up, pick up a newspaper or click on the Internet and find out he’s choked to death on his own throat fat or a great big wad of saliva or something, you know, whatever. Go away, Rush, you make me sick!”


— Leffist radio host Mike Malloy reacting to Limbaugh's hospitalization for chest pain.

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“Rush Limbaugh is beginning to look more and more like Mr. Big, and at some point somebody’s going to jam a CO2 pellet into his head and he’s going to explode like a giant blimp. That day may come. Not yet, but we’ll be there to watch.”


— Chris Matthews

“So, Michele, slit your wrist! Go ahead! [chuckles] I mean, you know, why not? I mean, if you want to — or, you know, do us all a better thing. Move that knife up about two feet. I mean, start right at the collarbone.”

— Montel William's death wish for Michelle Bachman.

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“He is an enemy of the country, in my opinion, Dick Cheney is, he is an enemy of the country.... You know, Lord, take him to the Promised Land, will you? See, I don’t even wish the guy goes to Hell, I just want to get him the hell out of here.”


— Ed Schultz,

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“I hear about Tony Snow and say to myself, well, stand up every day, lie to the American people at the behest of your dictator-esque boss and well, how could a cancer NOT grow in you. Work for Fox News, spinning the truth in to a billion knots and how can your gut not rot?”


— San Francisco radio talk show host Charles Karel Bouley

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“I’m just saying if he did die, other people, more people would live. That’s a fact.”


— Host Bill Maher on his HBO show Real Time, lamenting the failed assassination attempt on Dick Cheney.

Another Maher gem:

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“Earlier today, a rental truck carried a half a million ballots from Palm Beach to the Florida Supreme Court there in Tallahassee. CNN had live helicopter coverage from the truck making its way up the Florida highway, and for a few brief moments, America held the hope that O.J. Simpson had murdered Katherine Harris.”


Of course I'm sure all here remember the statement from The One himself that "“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” and remarking that people in Philadelphia "like a good brawl" (Philadelphia is a union town, no?).

But Obama Mond hasn't been squeamish about telling his loyal soldier ants "get in the face" of recalcitrant American voters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCMDur9CDZ4

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/oct/07 ... e-20101008

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2010/10 ... nd-combat/

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** Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
** Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”
** Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
** Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”
** Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“


Why all the metaphors relating to gang/mob violence, anger, hatred, hitting, hand to hand combat, knives and guns, from a man running for President? Who is is audience, one cannot refrain from asking?

Here's some great stuff from Democratic Underground, a site raising funds for Barack Obama's campaign:

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http://s.michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/dusp2.jpg


I could go on and on and on detailing the many instances of leftist/union/Democrat activist violence, intimidation, assault, vandalism, threats, and hate speech throughout the last presidential campaign, at Tea Party rallies, Republican rallies etc., but why bother. Its all out there for anyone actually interested in the truth.

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I love that Droopy trumpets individuality and self reliance and yet then goes on to paint with a broad brush that doesn't allow liberals to be individual people with unique ideas.

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I love that Droopy trumpets individuality and self reliance and yet then goes on to paint with a broad brush that doesn't allow liberals to be individual people with unique ideas.



Leftists exist with conservative/libertarian ideas?

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I love that Droopy trumpets individuality and self reliance and yet then goes on to paint with a broad brush that doesn't allow liberals to be individual people with unique ideas.



Leftists exist with conservative/libertarian ideas?


Actually *people* exist across the spectrum of all political positions. I'm sure there are a few "Leftists" who hold every position you would use to describe your worst case scenario "Leftist" but most people hold a hodge podge of positions from both the conservative and liberal spectrum.

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I notice Amy Goodman isn't on you're list. She's been on the receiving end of actual brutal violence many times.


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This isn't resulting to violence. Its nothing more than foolish grunting and posturing. Also, Chris Rock is supposed to represent the leftists somehow? I'm card carrying pinko scum and I don't much care for the guy. I just don't think he's funny at all.


"Grunting and posturing? Hardly. Sean Hannity just the other day played an entire montage of leftist vileness, including wishes for horrible death, violence, murder, and programs against conservatives by numerous leftist public figures. Michelle Malkin has a page dedicated to it. These are specific insults and calls for violence against conservatives, not "grunts."



Where? East Timor. When? About 15 years ago.Who? American backed Indonesian troops who massacred people on the way to a funeral right in front of her after beating the hell out of her.

As far as it going beyond grunting and posturing, what did I miss? You never said Chris Rock actually assaulted anyone.

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Not to get anyone alarmed, but have you considered the potentially violent consequences of your decision to serve the Tofu Turkey? I fear cranberries will not quell the results.

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Not to get anyone alarmed, but have you considered the potentially violent consequences of your decision to serve the Tofu Turkey? I fear cranberries will not quell the results.

Hope that helps.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOvwc8_QXiY

They cry of the carrots...

"Tomorrow is harvest day, but to them it is the holocaust!"

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most people hold a hodge podge of positions from both the conservative and liberal spectrum.


This is almost never true, in real life, and I've never noticed it to be true throughout my life observing, talking to, and knowing other people.

Most people, whether or not they have a consciously worked out, coherent political and life philosophy, have an internally consistent set of core values and beliefs which are manifest in numerous ways, including their politics. In the vast majority of cases, one's political philosophy, whether an organized, coherent body of ideas, or a diffuse, impressionistic, unreflected set of assumptions, prejudices, and received nostrums, are of a piece with themselves, and form a general tendency or core perspective.

People who hold a 'hodge-podge" belief systems usually also have hodge-podge minds with little intellectual coherence and only surface level thinking about serious issues. They are also usually people who, politically speaking, are attempting to straddle the fence in their own self interest and/or to just follow the crowed and not rock any boats (economic conservatives but social liberals, for example).

Most people, however, if they are liberal in one area, will be liberal in most others, and the same is true of conservatives.

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