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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 7:33 pm 
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Perhaps Belinda would welcome a personal call from one prominent member involved in this thread for a quick interview on the contents herein. Say we limit the interview to three questions decided in this thread beforehand, with Belinda picking the caller.


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What is a real man? What makes most of us emasculated?


You're just saying that because you're anti-Mormon.


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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 8:49 pm 
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for what it's worth, I'm almost positive that Will has had some of his sockpuppets misspell his own last name (i.e., as "Schriver"). Just FYI.


Can Will be that desperate?


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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 11:15 pm 
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Hello,

Mr. Schryver/Nomad/Belinda/Silver Hammer ought to count his lucky stars the search feature omits common words. The quote count on this thread where he's abusing women would have easily doubled.

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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 4:14 am 
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Perhaps Belinda would welcome a personal call from one prominent member involved in this thread for a quick interview on the contents herein. Say we limit the interview to three questions decided in this thread beforehand, with Belinda picking the caller.


I seriously doubt Belinda wants to know the kind of details such a call would entail. It's easier for her just to believe that Will just called a couple of women B***es, and they probably deserved it. Anything more is a distortion of malicious exmormons, who hate Will for no other reason than his stellar defense of the faith. End of story.

Women who deal with temperamental or problematic men often make these sort of compromises. A form of don't ask, don't tell.

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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 8:57 am 
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I seriously doubt Belinda wants to know the kind of details such a call would entail. It's easier for her just to believe that Will just called a couple of women B***es, and they probably deserved it. Anything more is a distortion of malicious exmormons, who hate Will for no other reason than his stellar defense of the faith. End of story.
Women who deal with temperamental or problematic men often make these sort of compromises. A form of don't ask, don't tell.


My only interest is to eliminate the very high possibility that this is not Belinda. Who doubts that it would be beneath William to leave this impression about his wife.

Heck two questions would do:
1. Did you really read these first couple pages of this thread?
2. Did you really signup and post in William's defense?


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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 2:31 pm 
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All right, done with finals, done playing my mother's day gift and now catching up on ~17 pages of thread . . . incoming replies. I'll link to some of the posts I'm replying to.

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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 2:33 pm 
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Tator ~ In your original "Vulgar Scatologist" thread, you attributed the following quote to William which included the phrase "f****in' douche":

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Omg. You're an actor with a mullet from Cedar City, Utah? LOLOL. You're a f****in' douche... lolol...

But William didn't say this; antishock8 did. I'm also not aware of any examples wherein he has used the word "pussy," let alone "pussy-ass."

The others all look accurate to me, but I hardly have the time or interest to run a search on every one, so don't quote me on that.

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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 2:34 pm 
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3sheets2thewind ~ I think it was completely invasive and inappropriate for you to post William's stake information and suggest that people write to his ecclesiastical leaders about all of this. I don't endorse this course of action at all.

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 Post subject: Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver
PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 2:38 pm 
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William ~ You said:

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There is no one, out of the 1000+ plus posters to have ever participated in this forum, who arouses enough interest to generate what will almost certainly become a 50+ page thread, in less than a week's time.

Oh, William. You're really not thinking this through.

You know that mess with James Patrick Holding, Kevin Graham, Russell C McGregor*, Dan Peterson, and myself last year? Of course you do; you referenced it earlier in this thread.

Do you have any idea how many times the incident was brought up on our forums over the years, yet discussion of it never got to more than a few pages? No one seemed to care.

Then I got involved for the very first time, and suddenly the issue exploded into thread after thread spanning dozens and dozens of pages, all in less than a week. The moderators at MADB had to forcefully shut down several threads and clear pages of frivolous comments from others, people just couldn't stop talking about it. As I recall, you never commented on the matter. Not once.

Now let's turn to your antics on these forums. Several people have tried to document them before. Pokatator's thread is over two years old now and has only just barely hit twelve pages. Darth J's thread on the subject only got to three pages, even though Darth J is something of a favorite around here.

Then I started my thread and . . . well . . . I guess you know how that's going.

I'm sorry to ruin your narcissistic fun, but you aren't the reason this thread has gone to 47 pages in just over two weeks. You really, really aren't.

*This was the posting handle that the FARMS Review author used to interact with me and address me over at MADB; I am not "outing" anyone's alias.

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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 2:40 pm 
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Eric ~ You said (in reference to William's claim that I'd damaged my credibility):

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but by referring to men as "cad[s]" and refusing to read responses on this thread discussing the evidence against the c-word incident.

I called no specific man a "cad," nor do I find the term horribly objectionable in the first place. Nor was the term directed exclusively at people who don't believe the c-word incident happened, as you've come to believe. I'm not going to say it again.

I also asked you to lay out this "evidence against the c-word incident" in one place---hardly an unreasonable request given the speed at which this thread has moved---and you refused. Not my problem.

As for losing credibility with you . . . well . . . what can I say. I guess that makes us even.

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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 2:41 pm 
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3sheets2thewind ~ I think it was completely invasive and inappropriate for you to post William's stake information and suggest that people write to his ecclesiastical leaders about all of this. I don't endorse this course of action at all.



(Moderator Note) Thanks for catching this, Jack. I missed it. I have deleted that info. It is considered IRL info and against board rules.



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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 2:41 pm 
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Nomad ~ Concerning the "WilliamSchryver" handle, you said:

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This post was not made by Will, but by someone who made an account here and then just made this one post. Will has already denied having ever posted as “WilliamSchryver”.

I asked him to clarify on this denial in my very first response to him on this thread, and he never replied. Then later in the thread, he proudly admitted to making the comment in question to harmony.

It's a little late to rescue your "friend" by blaming his transgressions on a sock puppet.

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This is another example of where MsJack has been willing to lie on this thread in order to push her agenda. Will denied (in his first post on this thread) that he had written this, and yet MsJack still hasn't taken it out of her post.

Since I have established that your "friend" owned up to making the comment in question and was thus the owner of all three handles that I identified him as owning, will you now be retracting your claim that I have lied on this thread and apologizing to me?

(I won't hold my breath.)

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Neither has she removed the disproven allegation about Will using the "C" word towards harmony.

Can you please link me to where it was "disproven"? I have addressed every bit of counter-evidence that anyone has attempted to muster and found it severely lacking.

I will be making some changes to this series when I convert it to blog form and run it at ClobberBlog. I will note all changes, emendations, and corrections then.

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Makes one wonder exactly what kind of a conspiracy this is?

I already addressed the "conspiracy" charges in my first reply on this thread. I'd say the real "wonder" is why you and William Schryver are the only two people in the entire world who have bought into the conspiracy fantasy, but . . . well . . . that really is the worst-kept secret on this message board now, isn't it?

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Wade ~ If you want me to answer your questions, please provide me a link to where you specifically answered my CFR. I have not the time nor interest to interact with someone who makes accusations and then fails to back them up, so either answer my CFR OR retract your claim that I ever accused you of doing anything "personal" on this thread OR prepare to enjoy me ignoring your further attempts at games.

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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 2:46 pm 
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Belinda Schryver ~ Welcome to the Mormon Discussions Community!

You said:

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As for this calling women bitches thing, all I can say is let whoever is without sin among you cast the first stone.

I don't think this analogy holds, at least not for my part. For starters, while the text doesn't say for certain, the incident of the woman caught in adultery strongly implies that the woman was ashamed of what she had done. William has made it perfectly clear that as far as most of these cases are concerned, he has no shame and no remorse. He doesn't need to "go now and leave [his] life of sin" because he doesn't think he has sinned.

Two, I'm not interested in stoning anyone, not literally, not metaphorically. I wrote this thread to:

(1) Concisely and accurately document William's treatment of women on our forums
(2) Alert people who are familiar with William of this poor behavior. They can own him or they can disown him, but the days of pleading ignorance are going to end.
(3) Voice my concerns about William's upcoming contributions to Mormon academia given his consistently poor treatment of women.
(4) Convince William to apologize for and abandon this behavior. I knew from the start that this was a distant hope, but a woman can dream.

I don't see any reason for theatrics on "stoning."

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I don't think I know a grown man who hasn't at least once referred to a woman as a ____.

Really? I know one:

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I've got to believe that all the fair-minded people who read these things written about Will on this message board will come to see what a terrible set of liars and deceivers so many of you are.

I sincerely hope that we all get to test this hypothesis very soon, and see whether or not the "fair-minded people" agree with your assertion that those who have called out your husband for making lewd and misogynist comments to women are "a terrible set of liars and deceivers."

Thanks for dropping by. Oh, and by the way, please do me a favor and let your husband know that comments like this:

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[S]o now has MsJack chosen to break herself on the same stone. Of course, maybe it’s for the best. Now she can, deprived of any further pretensions to moral superiority, shamelessly join the rest of the GSTP women in the infamous “Goddess Suite” for a raucous session of suggestive excess.

Wherein he speculates on what types of sex acts I might like to engage in are completely unwarranted, unwelcome, inappropriate, and out of line. I haven't brought it up with him directly because he's been proven to do a very poor job of listening when women tell him that his comments about them are unwanted and inappropriate, but perhaps you can help me out.

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I asked him to clarify on this denial in my very first response to him on this thread, and he never replied. Then later in the thread, he proudly admitted to making the comment in question to harmony.

It's a little late to rescue your "friend" by blaming his transgressions on a sock puppet.



Utterly amazing. Will can't keep track of his own story even in the bounds of one thread.

I understand that the human instinct towards tribalism and denial are quite strong, but at some point, wouldn't even Will's most ardent fans catch a little clue and realize that he isn't very honest?

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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 4:15 pm 
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Really? I know one:

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ZING!!!


And a lovely couple you make, too.

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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 4:38 pm 
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Belinda Schryver wrote:
He is more of a real man than the immasculated males who are the majority of the 20 – 45 year olds in the world today. I wouldn’t trade him for any of the soft wimpy men that are so common these days.

What is a real man? What makes most of us emasculated?



You haven't watched Mulan in a while, have you?

So, you want to be a real man? Let your fellow Mormon coach you!

You don't need to be a jerk to be a real man. Kindness does not equal emasculation. It's quite the opposite, in fact.

What you must be is swift as the coursing river (be a man!), with all the force of a great typhoon (be a man!), with all the strength of a raging fire, mysterious as the dark side of the moon.

The instruction comes from Donny Osmond and Disney. I think that makes it doctrine. ;)

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Really? I know one:

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And a lovely couple you make, too.

All the Best!

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Too true!

You can count my husband as another man who has never called a woman a B-word.

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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 6:25 am 
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Will married a Molly Mormon. They met on their mission from what I understand. Supposedly she has spent most if not all her life in the LDS faith.

And yet she doesn't know of a single man who has not called a female the B word? Does this include Will's buddies from the Dallin H. Oaks family?

Wow.

What does that say about the company she keeps?

I can think of probably a dozen guys who have never said that at all, let alone towards a female. And most of them are LDS.


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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 9:14 am 
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I am probably guilty of attributing some quotes to Will he didn't make, I am sorry for that. But with that the huge volume of his display of vulgarity it is minimal. Will has admitted to slut, ____ and all the circle jerk descriptions per nausea. In my view, slut is no different than the C-word. ____ is no better.

Will reminds me of a Mexican I worked construction with in my younger days. He was a huge man and very strong but not the brightest to say the least. He was really a nice guy but he murdered the English language. He would say things like, "that John Doe is a great guy he'd take the shirt right off your back", "it's as funny as the cow in the moon", "you can't get blood out of a donut" and many, many more. You always understood what he meant but it always came out funny. A few of the guys made fun of him.

He made more than his share of blunders and a couple of the guys would demean him. They would say something like, "Adolf, you big, dumb, stupid, ugly, blankity-blankity Mexican". Adolf's most common reply was, "hey, I ain't so big".

This is what reminds me of Will. There is a huge laundry list of Will's vulgarity and he picks out one or two and says, "hey, I ain't so bad".

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