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 Post subject: Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver
PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 11:28 am 
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Was that the best thread derailment ever?


Appears the thread may have left some of us pondering our own treatment of women. I can empathize with his pondering of one of his actions with that of a desire to push ones buttons or deeper issues rising to the surface.

This seems to be a humble and honest confession and apology.
Seems a bit of self shame and reflection brought on by the desire to distance oneself from such crass examples as William has set for us all might be a secondary benefit to the thread.

Liz was quick to forgive and forget all past transgression if William would but cease and desist. Me, I'd have to see William man up and acknowledge his wrongs, show real sorrow for them and apologize/ask for forgiveness of his offenses.

I assume Cam has desired to distance himself from William's types of behaviors, and shown the proper method of addressing his own past actions which exhibited those types of behaviors.

Thanks for the candid post Cam.


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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 11:55 am 
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I had forgotten these exchanges but was insensed the first time I had read them.

My apologies to KA and others for not saying or doing enough. I am hoping that I would not be seen as one that would tolerate such innapropriate violations witnessed by so many of us.

Harmony, Shades, Liz.. moderators,

I now there are a few forums below the terrestrial where unrestrained exchanges can occur. One quickly loses the amusement of the parody of the Mormon hereafter after visiting. Not sure why they are necessary. I think this is why there are so few that will stay or even post here. by the way, KA wasn't posting in those forums when Schryver wrote what he did, neither would she invite him to make such inappropriate comments.

But seriously, isn't it time to be done with Schryver? Why would you want the forum to appear as a doormat to both people with restraint and the vile? Sure, you could ban him from posting in the Celestial or Terrestrial, but why would you want a bottom feeder nipping at you from the telestial/od?

There is a saying we're all familiar with, "keep your friends close and your enemies even closer". I don't think we say this so we can learn to tolerate them, it's so we will be in the right position when it's appropriate to be rid of them.

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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 12:27 pm 
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I want to take a moment to explain why I find Schryver’s case interesting. I have always wondered about the real, private impact of patriarchy on men and women who grew up in strongly patriarchal societies, like Mormonism. Since I didn’t grow up LDS, despite my long (and ongoing, via my family) connection with the LDS church, I still feel like an outsider looking in when it comes to this question. I’ll use a similar situation to demonstrate.

I joined the LDS church as a nineteen year old college student in 1976. This was obviously still during the era of the priesthood ban, which bothered me tremendously. The young elders who were teaching me knew this was a stumbling block, and managed to actually find a young black woman who had joined the LDS church, but was inactive. Despite her inactivity, she apparently still had some measure of belief in the LDS church, so agreed to go along with the elders to try and help me overcome this obstacle. I was very touched and impressed by her story – apparently she joined the church without knowing about the ban, and when she found out, was so upset that somehow someone arranged for her to speak to President Kimball about it. She was touched by his spirit and believed when he explained that, although we didn’t know the reason for the ban, it was not due to prejudice or bigotry. I was impressed by her story and belief, and, partly due to her intervention, did decide that I could “shelve” the issue and be baptized.

I then transferred to BYU, and a year later, one of the elders that taught me looked me up at BYU. We were reminiscing about my conversion, and I mentioned that this same black sister had come to visit Utah and looked me up, as well. He said, “I could never understand why you made such a fuss about n**ggers.” I was shocked and disgusted and ended the conversation, and never saw him again. He had hid his racism from me as a missionary, but somehow, now that I was a member, felt safe to let it loose. I wondered, for a long time afterward, whether the priesthood ban had the effect of encouraging racism in members, even if that was not the intent.

I have long wondered something similar about sexism in the LDS church. We all have heard the explanations for why the priesthood ban against women isn’t sexism, and perhaps it is not in intent. But is it possible that it still encourages sexism in members?

I have wondered about this practically since joining the church. I know that, even as a believing Mormon, I heard other women complain about men not taking them seriously or truly listening to them. This was a big issue for my own sister, who still is an active member of the church. She complained about how men in the church would look right past her and direct comments to her husband. When I was still married, I asked my ex-husband, who had grown up in the church, if men in the church had a sexist streak which perhaps they expressed to each other, outside the earshot of women. He claimed that they did, and enjoyed vulgar jokes about women, as well. Now, I took and still take his comments with a grain of salt, because the reality may have been that he was sharing his own sexist and vulgar jokes with his fellow LDS guys, and their laughter may have less been agreement than an uncomfortable way of escaping the situation. My ex-husband was a bit of a misogynist, himself, and during our divorce, after meeting with my female lawyer and the female judge, loudly proclaimed in the hallways that women should not be allowed to be lawyers or judges because they’re too spiteful. (He was also stupid enough to say this within earshot of my lawyer and other people who worked at the courthouse who undoubtedly reported it to the judge.) So he may have been projecting his own issues with women onto other LDS men. I think it’s possible that other apologists are really offended by Will, but just too uncomfortable to confront him, and he interprets their silence or uncomfortable laughter as assent, like my ex-husband. But at the same time I think it’s quite possible that LDS men express ideas about women out of female earshot, so LDS women may not realize some of the underlying male attitudes.

So when I see Will behave this way, I wonder if Will is an aberration, or is he a product of LDS patriarchy, even though such a result was not the intent of the patriarchy?

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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 12:29 pm 
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I would like to take a moment and sincerely apologize to Ms. Jersey for my behavior and name-calling toward her. While not an excuse, I was snockered, and simply wanted to press her buttons. I've felt foolish and embarrassed over it for a long time. Thanks to this thread I realize this has been an apology a long time coming. I don't expect acceptance of my apology, but I would like her to know it was way out of line.

The odd thing is on the one hand I feel a tremendous amount of respect toward women, but hold simultaneously the ability to be intentionally be disrespectful in that manner. I can't tell if it's just knowing what rubs someone the wrong way, or if there's a deeper level of disrespect bouncing around in my mind... Regardless, I do know what's wrong and to intentionally be so crass toward someone is regressed behavior.

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Cam,

I greatly appreciate this apology.

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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 12:32 pm 
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by the way, thank you MsJack. It is good to bring to light the various obstacles that cumber our paths.

Although unintended, no doubt this thread will be a welcome addendum to William Schryver's resume wherever anyone is considering him to represent them and their interests.

This thread surely assists in pointing his future asperations towards where they belong.

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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 12:42 pm 
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This is, I believe, one of the most important and powerful threads that has ever appeared on any of the messageboards. It is historic insofar as it has the potential to permanently alter the foreseeable Mopologetic landscape. Of course, most of us already were well-versed in Schryver's particular brand of Mormon misogyny, but this thread has permanently cemented the sad reality into documentary fact. Kudos to MsJack for assembling this devastating and unassailable series of posts.

It will be *very* interesting to see how things play out in the coming months. I, along with others, am very curious about this "cabal" of Senior Apologists who secretly find Will's behavior funny. Who are the likely candidates? MsJack and Beastie both wondered if, perhaps, Will has simply inventing/exaggerating the notion that BYU scholars would laugh at/applaud his antics, and to that I say, "Seriously?" Barring any actual condemnation from the likes of Hamblin, DCP, Greg Smith (a noted fan of Schryver's), and Midgley, I think that the operating assumption has to be, "Yes, of course they think it's funny." I've already posted one instance of DCP engaging in "high-five" antics with Will during an argument with Beastie. So I'm willing to bet serious money that Will's telling the truth on this. (Parenthetically: Beastie wondered if there is a "secret" side to TBM male behavior, and I personally think the answer is, "Yes." Sure: there are the "good guys" like Gardner and Bokovoy out there, but plenty of LDS males conceal their priesthood arrogance and their sense of entitlement/superiority. But this kind of seems like a topic for a separate thread.)

I predict one of two things will happen:

(1) The apologists will cut their losses and Will's project will be terminated. (Has anyone emailed a link of this thread to Paul Hoskisson? If Paul H. is Ed. in Chief of the project, he'll wind up having to deal with the blowback once this is published. So, someone may want to give him a "heads up.")

(2) The MI publishes Will's work, and this whole affair received much, much wider circulation. (The SL Trib? RfM? KSL? How widely will this be known, one wonders?) In short: this would be like "Metcalfe is Butthead" times a trillion.

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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 1:06 pm 
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The more I have considered the extended implications of these latest developments, the more I have come to appreciate the rather welcome—albeit rather unexpected—ineptitude manifest in this extraordinary strategic blunder.

Thank you, MsJack. And thank you, harmony.

Had you all been content to stick with the verifiable truth, you might have hoped to convince a few more of the “much-holier-than-thou” among us (Hodges, Bokovoy, et al.) that Will Schryver has been, on rare occasions, a PG-13-rated “naughty boy” who has not shown compunction to employ oblique innuendo and ambiguous double entendre in his repertoire of message board rhetorical devices.

But, of course, you weren’t content with that.

No, consumed by an overwhelming desire to silence my clarion voice, you knew that quotes of my actual words—even exaggerated, misrepresented, and otherwise taken out of context—were not sufficient to support your allegations that I am the evil misogynist monster of LDS apologetics. To do that, you needed to produce from your sleeve (as it were) a fifth ace. And so MsJack, harmony (and others?) conspired to add a new, overwhelmingly incriminating charge to the otherwise rather old, stale, and insufficiently inculpatory list of my “transgressions” that has been trotted out from time to time over the course of the past few years.

Oh, to be sure, there have been other false allegations over the years. MsJack even picks up on one that had legs for a while, until it was finally abandoned after my having repeatedly demanded an original reference for it:

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In fairness to William, some community members have attributed statements to him that he never said. For example, William did not say, "I'm married to the kind of woman you have to masturbate to;" that was Kevin Graham (10/25/10).


This isn’t the only time I have had statements attributed to me that have no basis in anything I actually said. Not hardly. It has, in fact, been the rule rather than the exception. Schryver, the Caricature has long since assumed the stature of historical reality in these precincts. Therefore, I suppose I shouldn’t be all that surprised that the desire to add to the myth continues unabated.


That said, I must admit I was somewhat perplexed by the fact that it was MsJack who volunteered to take up the torch (and pitchfork) and thereby taint forevermore her treasured (though illusory, as DCP discovered not long ago) reputation for “objectivity.”

That the ever dissonant “harmony” has chosen to become complicit in this nefarious scheme is merely a sad but rather predictable extension of her long-recognized talent for extreme hypocrisy. But, then again, as much as beastlie and liz might desire to exact some revenge for what they view as my offenses against them, I don’t really believe either one of them would have stooped as low as harmony has, and still managed to retain any sense of self-respect. That appears to have not been much of an impediment for harmony.

At any rate, the deed is now done, and there is no erasing it from the annals of The Great and Spacious Trailer Park©.

Instead of the desired objective of, once and for all, impugning me such that (in fulfillment of your fondest dreams) I would be permanently repudiated by powers you imagine sufficient to silence me, all you have done is permanently cover with disrepute your entire propagandistic enterprise.

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Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive.


Just as Trevor’s “Silence Schryver” gambit ultimately failed in its objective and only served to dispel the mirage of his own false reputation, so now has MsJack chosen to break herself on the same stone. Of course, maybe it’s for the best. Now she can, deprived of any further pretensions to moral superiority, shamelessly join the rest of the GSTP women in the infamous “Goddess Suite” for a raucous session of suggestive excess.

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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 1:19 pm 
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This is, I believe, one of the most important and powerful threads that has ever appeared on any of the messageboards.

Oh, my! (LOL!)

No doubt, Old Scratch, no doubt!

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It is historic insofar as it has the potential to permanently alter the foreseeable Mopologetic landscape. Of course, most of us already were well-versed in Schryver's particular brand of Mormon misogyny, but this thread has permanently cemented the sad reality into documentary fact. Kudos to MsJack for assembling this devastating and unassailable series of posts.

Yes, MsJack's name will be, for good and ill, forever associated with this fascinating thread.

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It will be *very* interesting to see how things play out in the coming months.

Although not nearly as interesting as the fantasies you will spin about how you believe things are playing out.

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I, along with others, am very curious about this "cabal" of Senior Apologists who secretly find Will's behavior funny.

I don't have any idea what "cabal" you're talking about, but if anyone finds me funny, you can rest assured they are amused by my reality rather than the caricature of me that exists only among apostates and their sympathizers.

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Parenthetically: Beastie wondered if there is a "secret" side to TBM male behavior, and I personally think the answer is, "Yes."

beastlie is fairly obsessed with her fantasies concerning the "secret side to TBM male behavior." No doubt you are likewise attracted by this voyeuristic mirage.

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I predict one of two things will happen:

(1) The apologists will cut their losses and Will's project will be terminated. (Has anyone emailed a link of this thread to Paul Hoskisson? If Paul H. is Ed. in Chief of the project, he'll wind up having to deal with the blowback once this is published. So, someone may want to give him a "heads up.")

We have long understood that this is the goal of all your efforts. Unfortunately for you, your project was doomed to failure from the start.

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(2) The MI publishes Will's work, and this whole affair received much, much wider circulation. (The SL Trib? RfM? KSL? How widely will this be known, one wonders?) In short: this would be like "Metcalfe is Butthead" times a trillion.

Oh, my! GSTP delusions of grandeur run amok! Oh, Scratch, don't stop with the Trib and KSL. This needs to go all the way to the New York Times and Le Monde. With any luck at all, I'll be crucified right next to Brigham's statue at BYU, and you can all be there to gnash your teeth and cast lots on my vesture.

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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 1:26 pm 
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I hesitated to post here, but since Will has raised the possibility of "others" motivating it, I need to say something.

At no time did anyone contact me about starting this thread. Nor did I contact anyone else about starting this thread. This thread has nothing to do with me. My only involvement in this thread is and will be to add this single post.

The fact that I am not participating in this thread should not be interpreted as me not being concerned about how women are treated in online discussions. I endeavor to treat women with respect online, and I advocate others doing the same.


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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 1:53 pm 
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Hello,

I think I'm responsible for misattributing that quote to Mr. Schryver. He had an exchange with Mr. Graham, and it was the latter who said his wife was so hot that you'd have to masturbate to her or some such thing. Anyway, sorry about that. My bad.

That said, with winning-tigerblood quotes like this:

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Naturally, no one wants to be called a snotty-nosed shabby bastard child to his/her own face. That’s why I do it via message board. But if it’s any consolation, I would also do it in person in the case of the inimitable Mr. Scratch, even now feverishly typing away on his laptop while nestled into the sagging, cigarette-burned virtual sofa in his single-wide living room; beer cans stacked to the ceiling, ash trays on the floor …


And in response to Ms. Harmony stating she's a female:

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And a old, bitter, lying one at that.


... It's hard to complain too much about one's reputation being sullied.

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Post Script- It should be worth noting that Mr. Schryver's version of Jesus is a violent one; not the peace-seeking Jesus portrayed by many other Christians. Do a search of *vengeance along with *William Schryver as the authors and phew... Wow...

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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 1:59 pm 
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Will Schryver wrote:
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I'm assuming you're referring to the accusation that you called Harmony a c**t. So, tell us, just what did you call Harmony?

Note that whatever it was, it provoked the following immediate reaction from Stak, who apparently saw it before it was deleted:

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u mad willard?

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I have to admit that I do regret that MsJack has omitted several of my more eloquent specimens of poetry. Even so, of those she has referenced, I wanted to indicate which are my personal favorites:

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You might be interested in the fact that a couple people were once given the task of investigating the basis for the oft-repeated claim of my wanton vulgarity. What was the result of this rather exhaustive investigation? It was that, although a few minor blushes were induced (amidst the belly laughs), there was deemed to be virtually no substantive basis for the allegations; quotes were found to have been routinely taken out of context, thus entirely altering their true meaning, and a large proportion of the "vulgarities" attributed to me were entirely fabricated out of whole cloth (like, for example, the frequently repeated allegation that I called the golden-haired Kimberly Ann a "whore.")

(Kimberly does remain somewhat famous on account of my descriptions of her having once squeezed her then more voluptuous spirit tabernacle into a slinky black three-sizes-too-small dress at the 2006 Exmormon Foundation conference in Salt Lake City, which I attended. One wouldn't have believed it possible to carry melons in a pair of thimbles suspended from a thread, but miracles happen almost every day in this jaded world of cynical disbelievers.)

It was, I must confess, ascertained that I did, in fact, obliquely refer to beastlie and dissonance (once each, as I recall) with variants on the appellative "____." But it was concluded that my judgment was so near to the facts of the matter that I could not be convicted by a jury of my peers. LOL!

I should probably note that I have expressed a private apology to KA for this whole black dress business. As I told her in that PM, if indeed the photo she posted of herself in a black dress was the same black dress she wore to the Exmormon Foundation 2006 Conference, then I have, all along, been mistaking her for someone else. The exceedingly inebriated woman I observed at the Exmo conference was most definitely not attired in the rather modest dress that KA modeled in the photo she posted. The blonde exmo lush I saw was sporting a spaghetti-strap cocktail dress out of which she was spilling in all directions.

But moving on …

To beastlie after she made some allusion to David and a “wee willy”:
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Settle down, beastsheba. I assure you I have no desire whatsoever to watch you bathe.

In the immortal words of Dodge Connelly:
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And I have no desire to feel sixty-five.

(My wife also considers this one of the highlights, but then she’s always been a rabid George Clooney fan.)

An example of my wanton misogyny:
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I think the real problem is that harmony dislikes women, or rather, being a woman. She resents the fact (as she sees it) that she was born into an inferior (as she sees it) role, body, status, etc.

Of course, she's really not that uncommon in this respect. Modern feminism has now produced at least three generations littered with self-loathing women. It's one of the great tragedies of our times, if you ask me.

Not funny, but, sadly, too true.

And finally, directed toward Lizzie, during one of her infrequent forays out of the den of iniquity known as the “Goddess Suite”:
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I regard you as too shallow and insignificant to bother with.

You're just the homely waitress wandering from table to table here in the singlewide, hoping that someone will get drunk enough to ask you out.


And with that, I take my leave in order that you all might feel entirely comfortable as you bask in the imagined majesty of your mutually reinforcing delusions …

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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 2:41 pm 
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Will, do you agree or disagree that you said something that deserved moderation? Are you saying that what you said was appropriate or only that it wasn't the c-word? Can you describe what it is that you said in a way that is within the rules for the celestial forum?


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It is the fact that Will delights, even revels, in his vulgarity that makes him problematic for apologia.

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The exceedingly inebriated woman I observed at the Exmo conference was most definitely not attired in the rather modest dress that KA modeled in the photo she posted. The blonde exmo lush I saw was sporting a spaghetti-strap cocktail dress out of which she was spilling in all directions.


Let's just go ahead and keep that Mr. Schryver gem where it belongs. Phew.

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Post Script- *edit to add* I never really thought about it, but I find it exceedingly psychologically fascinating (to paraphrase Dr. Scratch) that Mr. Schryver would be attending an ex-Mormon conference ogling women. Care to explain, Mr. Schryver what your motivations were, and why you were ogling women who aren't your wife?

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It is a blatant lie. I have never used that revolting term, in any setting, in my entire life.


It's the truth and not a lie, if you notice on that thread, I responded 2 minutes later with this:

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u mad willard?


I said this, because you used that word. I figured you were flustered because you skipped your usual tortured English prose and went straight for the C-word.


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This pattern of sexual harassment is unbecoming of anyone, but especially a married man claiming to be a Christian.

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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 3:17 pm 
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MrStakhanovite wrote:
It's the truth and not a lie, if you notice on that thread, I responded 2 minutes later with this:

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u mad willard?


I said this, because you used that word. I figured you were flustered because you skipped your usual tortured English prose and went straight for the C-word.


This is pretty disturbing. That he would so vociferously deny this makes me think that there are deep, deep issues that Will is avoiding that go way beyond Mormonism. He seems to be either unable or unwilling to distinguish between reality and fantasy.


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 Post subject: Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver
PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 4:09 pm 
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Will Schryver wrote:
I should probably note that I have expressed a private apology to KA for this whole black dress business. As I told her in that PM, if indeed the photo she posted of herself in a black dress was the same black dress she wore to the Exmormon Foundation 2006 Conference, then I have, all along, been mistaking her for someone else. The exceedingly inebriated woman I observed at the Exmo conference was most definitely not attired in the rather modest dress that KA modeled in the photo she posted. The blonde exmo lush I saw was sporting a spaghetti-strap cocktail dress out of which she was spilling in all directions.

But moving on …



How generous of you. You offer KA a private apology after publicly insinuating she was dressed like a porn star and was a whore.

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 Post subject: Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver
PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 4:17 pm 
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Will Schryver wrote:

It is a blatant lie. I have never used that revolting term, in any setting, in my entire life.



So I will give you the benefit of the doubt for a moment. How does this absolve you from the plethora of other hideous things you have said? As an LDS priesthood holder you should be ashamed and embarrassed for your behavior. As one who is proud to defend the LDS Church you should do better. Yet you seem proud of the comments and have said that what you said was calculated and intentional. You have no shame or hint of setting things right.

So what of it Will? Can you do better? Can you apologize? If not D&C 121 man and Amen to your priesthood authority.


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 Post subject: Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver
PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 4:24 pm 
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I admit that, on occasions, I have referred to Will as “Wee Willie”. I did so with the intent to strike back as one sometimes does with a bully. You see, I believe Will is an internet bully, particularly to women, but also to certain men. I foolishly thought, for a while, that if I fought back, and called the man who kept referring to me as “bitchie” and “beastlie” as “wee willie” that he might back off. Of course he didn’t, so it was a foolish effort on my part. But, judging from his reaction, I’d say it did get under his skin. And my rather mild attempt at retribution is no excuse for his own behavior, which long preceded and post-dated my own attempt to fight back.

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