Kevin Graham wrote:
Name a single instance in which you have ever engaged in a civil, respectful, intellectually substantive critical debate with anyone, on any subject.
Too many to count, but the one in celestial forum between Bokovoy and I should suffice in making the point. He left the debate saying I left him with plenty to think about. Anyway, I knew you wouldn't respond to the questions because the fact is you have no evidence of Will being a master debater. Every once in a blue moon he'll throw something out to keep us occupied, and he'll receive numerous refutations. But he never sticks around to defend his thesis until the end. He'll gladly leave in light of conflicting data that he doesn't know how to account for. This is how I generally run him off, and it works every time.
Here are just two examples:
Just two examples? They are the only examples, and these are discussions you began by launching into a lecture over at MADB pundits forum. In the first example you tried to debate Brent, but he was too busy debating the maatter with Hauglid in private emails and didn't give you the time of day. So Dan Vogel and Chris Smith made quick mincemeat of your baseless assertion and I provided a response over here, which of course you were careful to avoid. It is also worth noting that you began this thread shortly after the embarrassing FAIR presentation of 2006. This was just weeks after I was banned, and your knowledge level on the matter was pathetically low.
And while you started the "debate" in Sept 2006, your last post was at the end of September whereas Chris and Vogel continued to pummel you throughout Feb of 2007. You never responded to them after September, so that pretty much supports what I said. You don't stick around long once you are refuted. You don't have the intellectual stamina.
In your second example, you started a thread on both boards, which is a first I think(http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/vie ... &sk=t&sd=a
). The funniest thing about it is while I was responding to it over here, you were picking things I had said and citing them over there as something "a critic" just said. And even though you participated in the refutation I provided here, you started dodging me halfway through the discussion and instead picked things you thought you could score points on over at MADB, and used them over there to do so. I presented a half dozen solid arguments for you to address and you never did. Like I said, you don't finish debates. The thread died at the end of November and picked up again in May 2008, which is when it got heated between us. Why? Because you ran back to MADB and lost the courage to come back and face your critics. I started the thread back up responding to things you were saying at MADB, and noted how you were citing me over there as "a critic."
You returned, jumped in and started responding to people like Shade, Trevor s and chap, but you didn't have the balls to address the points I made. Instead, you came here and said, "ignore Graham (who is painfully aware of how irrelevant he has become when it comes to Book of Abraham conversations" and then you posted a giant photo of rednecks in a trailer park. So irrelevant that you're still using things I say to shape your arguments at MADB? You're such an idiot because you cite me and then say I'm irrelevant in the next breath. You can't have it both ways, but my relevancy is not the issue. Just deal with the rebuttal and stop pretending to be a brave apologist.
Classic "Cracker" Graham. Lots of talk of "refutation," but absolutely nothing in the way of actual arguments. In fact, I've recently reviewed the discussions he and I had on these two particular issues. Graham NEVER produces a single counter-argument except to suggest that I'm an idiot and don't know what I'm talking about. Absolutely hilarious!
Well, Mr. Cracker, you can blather on all you want, but on these two particular points, the facts are clear, and I'm afraid they're not in your favor. Indeed, the reason I keep bringing up these two things is because there is no "debate" on them anymore--except perhaps in your twisted mind. Bottom line is that I was right about both things, and the arguments I have presented have gone un-rebutted--by anyone
. There is most definitely a dittograph (a visual copying error). It is clearly indicated by the "Haran" homoioteleuton that facilitated the dittograph. I already posted, (almost four years ago!)
Royal Skousen's affirmation of my analysis. Since then it has been confirmed by others with extensive training and experience in textual criticism. Not that it's even susceptible to much dispute! It's one of the more obvious findings in the entire KEP manuscript collection.
Also, the interlinear insertion at Abr. 1:12: simply put, my analysis of the locus is 100% correct, and it has been confirmed by several others with the appropriate unassailable credentials--in both textual criticism and forensic document analysis.
You're really up against it on these things. And the ironic part is that these two little issues are absolutely minor
in comparison to the other findings I have made about which very few people know a single thing! Although the dittograph and the Abr. 1:12 insertion are nice little findings, they absolutely pale in significance to the things I will talk about on August 6th. I've been working all day long trying to finish up the last bit of work on what has now become my third major methodological approach/study of the Kirtland Egyptian Papers. It is, I believe, the most significant and illustrative of the three analytical/logical angles I have taken to date. All told, these three major studies have produced over 300 pages of carefully formatted research findings that will form part of the extensive appendices of my book. In addition, I have, to date, completed four other "minor" studies that deal with important KEP questions, like (for example) who was the driving force and primary innovator behind the whole project.
Not that you
will ever acknowledge any of this, of course. LOL! You'll keep droning on about how you've "mopped the floors" with me on this, that, and the other ... but it doesn't matter, since (and I'm sorry to have to break the news to you) at this point in time, no one really gives a rat's ass what you think about any of this stuff. When it comes to the issues concerning the relationship of the KEP to the Book of Abraham, you are not a player in the discussion.
You haven't been for a long, long time. You had the opportunity, way back when, to make the right decisions that could have potentially positioned you to do what I
am now doing. But your pride and faithlessness destroyed you, and now you (along with the poor, pitiful Paul Osborne) have spiraled down to the sorry state in which we find you.
It's sad, but true.