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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:01 pm 
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I feel neither regret nor contrition for anything I have ever written on this message board. I am willing to have it all read as I stand and listen at the day of judgment. I’m sure it will garner a few good laughs, without a doubt.


How about in Sacrament Meeting in front of everyone? Or how about in Young Womens?

Yep, I've decided he's full of sh*t (and a bit a of a moron to boot).




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It's almost like a Jeckyl and Hyde personality.

I still don't understand why he insists on callous, crass behavior here on the board.

Maybe it's Will's version of Wade's textual mirror. Maybe in getting people to condemn him he thinks they're actually condemning their own behavior as he tries to reflect it. Maybe not.


I think it's his truest personality. He seems to perceive that most people on this board are fair game for any kind of insult or demeaning commentary that he can dream up. Since they've rejected his belief system, they are the worst kind of scum and the most basic rules of human decency no longer apply to them.

It's probably how he would behave towards everyone if he suddenly became an atheist.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:04 pm 
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and Ray A (an adulterer and long-time “lone wolf” predatory male)


It's not possible to be an "adulterer" when you've been single for nine years. Have I "known" women in that time? Of course. But not very many, and for the last three years - none.

As for the "lone predatory wolf" bit, I think all of the women I've corresponded with on all forums, since 2000, by PM, emails, will tell you that I've never been "flirty", nor made even the slightest sexual suggestions. Some might even consider my "coldness" a turn off. My policy is simple - especially in regard to married or partnered women - respect their status. Having lost my former wife to another man (not complaining; I was actually better off), I'm particularly aware of how I treat married women, and never make "passes" or sexual comments, not even in real life. Quite ironic considering that Will is the Mormon, the one who is supposed to uphold high standards.

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The law of chastity applies not only to behavior but also to dress, speech, and thought. Latter-day Saints are counseled to dress modestly, to use dignified language in speaking of bodily functions, and to cultivate virtuous thoughts.


Whatever may be said of DCP, he totally upholds these standards and is beyond criticism in that regard. Contrast Will, the "prototype Mormon". That should really be the prototype hypocritical Mormon, who has ignored the teachings of modern apostles in regard to the way he treats people on the Internet, and ignored his Church's standards on sexual morality. It's not a matter of what you claim about your marriage "of some three decades", it's what comes out of your mouth in this regard that reveals your real intent.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:08 pm 
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No it didn’t, you deceitful shrew, it talked about your “ugly soul” that would “come through” and render you unattractive. You’re a liar and a propagandist.


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And, for the record, I find it difficult to believe that "men" have ever found you attractive, at least not without the aid of excess testosterone, several shots of tequila and extremely dim lighting. You are simply too ugly in soul for it to not show through. It gives me the willies just thinking about what you must really look like ...


So now we can get some idea of why Will is outraged over being accused of inappropriate behavior. In his eyes, he has made no comments toward women that could be considered "cyber-ogling", and he's made no callous, crass comments, either.

Will, somehow, is able to type the words "I find it difficult to believe that "men" have ever found you attractive, at least not without the aid of excess testosterone, several shots of tequila and extremely dim lighting." and somehow convince himself that he wasn't talking about my physical characteristics.

He's able to convince himself that this comment:
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Edit: I might note that, if KA did not desire her breasts to be "ogled" on the evening in question, she might have selected from her wardrobe an item of clothing that more effectively covered the body parts in question. The black dress she chose could not have covered more than 40% of the breastage she brought to the occasion. Her attire would have been more appropriate for an AVN expo in Las Vegas.


wasn't crass and callous.

Nothing more really needs to be said.

My opinion is that Will enjoys indulging in aspects of his own personality that he has to keep "under wraps" in real life. He views the participants of this board with utter disdain, who deserve the worst treatment in general, so he lets it "all hang out". He reminds me of prep-school teenage boys who present one face to their private-school peer group, and then go to the "wrong side of the tracks" to indulge in behavior they restrict to that setting. See, the girls on the wrong side of tracks don't deserve respect, so he feels free to indulge however he desires. What Will and the prep-school boys don't realize is that their behavior reveals truths about themselves, and not the people to whom they expose the seedier sides of themselves to.

I don't know Will in real life, and don't care to. I don't care what he believes or imagines about himself. But the sight of him preaching to Ray about loving and respecting an eternal companion just painted too big of a bull's-eye on him for me to resist. The level of non-self-awareness that took to have the nerve to type that in the first place is kind of breath-taking, but totally consistent with the man who believes saying "I find it difficult to believe that "men" have ever found you attractive, at least not without the aid of excess testosterone, several shots of tequila and extremely dim lighting. You are simply too ugly in soul for it to not show through. It gives me the willies just thinking about what you must really look like ..." was not an attack on my physical characteristics and attractiveness.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:15 pm 
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As for the "lone predatory wolf" bit, I think all of the women I've corresponded with on all forums, since 2000, by PM, emails, will tell you that I've never been "flirty", nor made even the slightest sexual suggestions. Some might even consider my "coldness" a turn off. My policy is simple - especially in regard to married or partnered women - respect their status. Having lost my former wife to another man (not complaining; I was actually better off), I'm particularly aware of how I treat married women, and never make "passes" or sexual comments, not even in real life. Quite ironic considering that Will is the Mormon, the one who is supposed to uphold high standards.


I've known Ray on the 'net for years, beginning way back on exmormon. I have never seen him behave suggestively or flirtatiously to any woman. We've corresponded privately, as well, and he's never said anything suggestive or flirtatious to me behind the scenes.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:20 pm 
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I think it's his truest personality. He seems to perceive that most people on this board are fair game for any kind of insult or demeaning commentary that he can dream up. Since they've rejected his belief system, they are the worst kind of scum and the most basic rules of human decency no longer apply to them.

I think this is a pretty accurate description, but the interesting question (IMO) is why is everyone who has rejected his belief system fair game? In other words, how does he justify his moronic behavior?

I suspect it has something to do with the fact that unconsciously, he recognizes just how thin the reasons for his belief are, and rather than actually reflecting on it and asking himself the hard questions, he'd rather lash out against people who (with ease) demonstrate the inanity of his belief system in a childish tantrum to avoid the work involved in adjusting his world view.

In other words, he's an immature, lazy child stuck in an adult's body. Of course, he doesn't want to think that of himself, so it's easier to add additional moronic layers to his already bogus belief system about apostates and the treatment they deserve, and then acts on it. And as I postulated earlier, he's unconsciously trying to garner pity in the process.

What a sad little man. Oh well.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:21 pm 
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What would a temple recomend holding Mormon, a leadership position holding Mormon, a RM such as Will, know about tequila and knocking back shots?

So. Thus far this devout Mormon has let on that he ogles women, insults others with glee, has a working familiarity with tequila, and he wouldn't feel the least bit embarrassed for all this to be discussed in front of his ward at Sacrament, or in his YW's class?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:33 pm 
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My opinion is that Will enjoys indulging in aspects of his own personality that he has to keep "under wraps" in real life.

You'd be wrong about that. Ask anyone who knows me. I don't believe in masks. I've never gone in for that kind of thing. :lol:

I am gratified that I can be, for all of you, the poster boy for all that you believe is wrong about Mormonism. I glory in what you consider my infamy. After all, the only person you vilify more than me is Joseph Smith.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:34 pm 
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Here, Will, just for you, so you can shudder at how my ugly soul has rendered me unattractive to "men".



It's several years old, so my hair is now highlighted blonde, sweetie is more gray, and we both have more wrinkles. Other than that, we look pretty much the same. Sorry I don't have something more recent, I'm not particularly hi-tech with photos.

If I find a photo that emphasizes my cleavage or legs, will you suddenly change your tone with me? Would I suddenly seem less bitchy?

You are pathetically transparent.

Oh, wait, here's one, around the same age as the first, but back to blonde, and emphasizes the legs:

PS - I took off the pix, which I posted solely to prove a point. I'm not comfortable letting personal pictures up indefinitely.

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Hey Beastlie,

You are quite a hot little dish!

Who woulda thunk it?

Hey, if you're ever in town ... nah, never mind. :lol:

You know what else, we know each other from somewhere. I can't remember where or when, but I'm almost certain we've met. You look extraordinarily familiar to me. I'll think about it for a while and see if I can remember ...

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:44 pm 
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You are quite a hot little dish!

Who woulda thunk it?


Here's my educated guess - Will is going to be nicer to beastie now.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:54 pm 
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Ray A wrote:
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You are quite a hot little dish!

Who woulda thunk it?


Here's my educated guess - Will is going to be nicer to beastie now.

I admit it will be more of a challenge. I'll just have to try harder. :lol:

And fair is fair, beastlie dear. Here is me in all my abhorrent alpha male glory:
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It's about two years old, and I've been growing my hair out for almost a year and a half now, so I'm looking somewhat different today than I did then, but you still get the idea. So now you have an image upon which to focus your bitchy disdain.

[Still trying to remember where we've met ... did you used to live in either Arizona or on the Wasatch Front? Are you a natural red head? Maybe you just look like someone else, but I could swear ...]

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You are quite a hot little dish!

Who woulda thunk it?


Here's my educated guess - Will is going to be nicer to beastie now.

By the way, shut up, Ray.

You've become irrelevant again.

Don't you have some fare to meet?

Can't you take yourself and your curse and find somewhere else to play?

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I am prepared for everyone to tell me I could have simply clicked on another thread, and that others really enjoyed where this went, but I am so uninterested in what people think of Will's character or what that supposedly says about Mormonism. Frankly, I'm not sure it says all that much. It may indicate something about Will, and so what?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:03 pm 
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Don't you have some fare to meet?


I'm off work until Sunday (unless I get called in on Saturday).

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Can't you take yourself and your curse and find somewhere else to play?


Well I tried MAD, but it sent me mad. I suppose I could post there again just to hassle you.


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I am prepared for everyone to tell me I could have simply clicked on another thread, and that others really enjoyed where this went, but I am so uninterested in what people think of Will's character or what that supposedly says about Mormonism. Frankly, I'm not sure it says all that much. It may indicate something about Will, and so what?

Well, speaking only for myself, I haven't tried to say Will's character says much about Mormonism (he's not a very typical Mormon - or at least, not a very good one), and mostly says something about Will.

I do, however, find it interesting to consider why he thinks he's justified in being a moronic, hypocritical ass. It's like... a case study. Why is any mental patient nuts? I find that interesting.

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I am prepared for everyone to tell me I could have simply clicked on another thread, and that others really enjoyed where this went, but I am so uninterested in what people think of Will's character or what that supposedly says about Mormonism. Frankly, I'm not sure it says all that much. It may indicate something about Will, and so what?

And frankly, Trevor, I agree entirely.

I'm not responsible for turning this into a discussion of my personal perfidy, or whatever it is that it's become.

I'd much rather discuss beastlie's nice legs. :lol:

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Don't you have some fare to meet?


I'm off work until Sunday (unless I get called in on Saturday).

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Can't you take yourself and your curse and find somewhere else to play?


Well I tried MAD, but it sent me mad. I suppose I could post there again just to hassle you.

Ah, I'm sorry for you lashing out at you Ray. It's not all your fault.

It's just that, now that I've delivered my appointed message to you, I've got no other potential cursees to dust my feet about, and I'm just feeling a bit directionless at the moment.

This silly discussion about my out-of-control "objectifying" of women was interesting for a while, but it grew old pretty fast. (Although it did take a turn for the entertaining right at the end there!)

Anyway, don't worry, I'll get over it before long and be back to my normal antipathetic self.

In the meantime, perhaps you could start a thread wherein you discuss the scores (or hundreds?) of people I've driven out of the church with my obnoxious apologetics and offensive personality. :wink:

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Real Mormons are not comfortable hanging out here.

Ya think?

I rest my case.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:31 pm 
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It's just that, now that I've delivered my appointed message to you, I've got no other potential cursees to dust my feet about, and I'm just feeling a bit directionless at the moment.


No one left to curse. What a sad, boring day for Will. Why not take a walk down the street and look for some apostates to curse, or are there none in Cedar City besides yourself?

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This silly discussion about my out-of-control "objectifying" of women was interesting for a while, but it grew old pretty fast. (Although it did take a turn for the entertaining right at the end there!)

Anyway, don't worry, I'll get over it before long and be back to my normal antipathetic self.


You never left it.

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In the meantime, perhaps you could start a thread wherein you discuss the scores (or hundreds?) of people I've driven out of the church with my obnoxious apologetics and offensive personality. :wink:


Okay, I admit it was hyperbole. Besides, I wouldn't want your head to get any bigger.


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You’re a prophet, man, a prophet.

That, of course, was my entire point. I knew all along that if Will ever actually saw a picture of me, he’d be far less vitriolic with me.

Of course all human beings notice physical attractiveness, and it’s unrealistic to pretend it doesn’t affect how we regard each other. There was just recently a great example of this from Britain’s version of American Idol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp0IWv8QZY

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Based on nothing more than her dowdy appearance, the judges and audience were certain she was going to be a dud, and laughed at her aspirations. And then she opened her mouth. For all the people on this planet who have had to suffer from being judged and belittled due to nothing more than their looks, I wanted to shout: YOU GO GIRL!

This is just a fact of life – and a rather cruel one, at that. So much of life is determined based on the luck of your genetic draw: how good looking were your parents? Yet it seems to me that we can at least try to resist that impulse, because, on some level, we must know it’s wrong.

And, no, Will, I’m certain we’ve never met. I am naturally a brunette.

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