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 Post subject: Is Trump unraveling?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:06 pm 
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We all know that the President has a hard time admitting a mistake. But his inability to admit a mistake had dangerous and possibly illegal implication today.

This all started when Trump tweeted a message including Alabama in the areas that could be effected by hurricane Dorian. The Weather Service tweeted that Alabama was NOT in the path of the hurricane. The White House had released a picture of the President with a map showing Alabama was NOT in the projected path.

So Trump has a new conference today to show people that he as right all along, and that Alabama was in the original path of the hurricane. The GIF below shows the map the President was shown originally, and the map he held up today:

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On the new map someone has added a black semi-circle on the outside of the original projection, as a clumsy attempt to add Alabama in the path of the storm:

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It is a crime to alter an official Weather Service map to give a false forecast.

If we had a White House that had daily press briefings, I'm sure there would be some spirited questioning as to where the mysterious black semi-circle originated. I ask you this: Do you think that anyone would purposefully alter the map without the President's permission? So if you don't hear of a White House aide being fired in the next 24 hours, it's time to bet dollars to donuts that black semi-circle was drawn with the President's omnipresent black sharpie. And that is where his narcissism flowers into willful delusion. It reminds me a bit of the story told about Don McGahn, where Trump wanted him to post-date a memo to revise what had actually happened.

What is the most troubling to me is the idea that Trump could not imagine that this ruse would not be uncovered. It is Trump living in 'the transactional now', but the transactional now is becoming smaller and smaller.

Imagine yourself as President. Imagine thinking that you could draw a line on a map to 'make it so', that you had the power to bend reality. Donald Trump is truly a prisoner of his narcissism.

There are plenty of narcissists whose delusions do not threaten us, but they are not the President of the United States. I don't think we are there yet, but the 25th Amendment is becoming an increasingly real possibility.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:01 pm 
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:17 pm 
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Does anyone think the man is totally losing it right now? As in slipping? As in either he's losing it or he desperately wants out of the 2020 race?


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:02 pm 
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What is the most troubling to me is the idea that Trump could not imagine that this ruse would not be uncovered.

This is not a concern for Trump. He's so delicate a snowflake that he will do everything in his power to alter reality as a cover for his earlier lies or outright stupid statements, and he knows that his Base is similarly too fragile - and their sense of self too intertwined with his own dysfunction - to ever call him out on it.

These are the same folks who used to descend into paroxysms of faux rage whenever the last President wore a tan suit, or used dijon mustard. Now they willingly ditch their integrity in order to defend a narcissistic blowhard who will literally call a news conference specifically to lie to the nation while showing doctored official forecasts and clumsily sharpie-modified graphics in attempting to cover lying to the nation earlier.

This is the stuff of 80's SNL sketches, brought to modern-day life by folks who've eagerly bought into the idea that whoring themselves out to vain dishonesty will somehow result in 'owning the libs'. Future historians will chuckle and come to a very different conclusion over just who was getting owned.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:08 pm 
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I still want him to draw the clock face. I'm just sayin''.

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So, what's his motive for this? How does the hurricane hitting Alabama somehow make him better off than it not hitting Alabama?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:44 pm 
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The motive? Nothing more than he mistakenly interpreted the original map to mean that Alabama could possibly be in the eventual path of the storm, which the National Weather Service never predicted. I doubt he had any reason to believe that the storm hitting Alabama would somehow be better for him that it not hitting Alabama. He just expressed an innocuous, mistaken opinion based on his inexpert interpretation of the map. The problem is that he is so narcissistic and insecure, he is incapable of admitting to having been mistaken about anything whatsoever, no matter how trivial or innocuous.

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Dr. Shades wrote:
So, what's his motive for this? How does the hurricane hitting Alabama somehow make him better off than it not hitting Alabama?

Shades. Take my hand...

He (pick one or more options from the list below):

[ ] Doesn't know where Alabama is.
[ ] When he heard that Dorian had the wind speed equivalent of an EF-4 tornado, he assumed it was headed for tornado alley.
[ ] He doesn't know what equivalent means.
[ ] He's dumber than dirt.

So...when he was met with criticism and mockery for his mistake, Stephen Miller quickly got EF 4 equivalent wind of it, whipped out a Sharpie, revised a storm path trajectory map and essentially faked news'd it to make him look good.

In his mind (and I use the term lightly) he naïvely thinks that this makes everything right when the fact is that he couldn't finesse his way out of a paper bag if the bag were split open from end to end, laid out completely flat, and there were teeny tiny little runway arrow lights pointing the way out with a voice command system talking him through it step by step, teeny tiny little arrow by teeny tiny little arrow.

In other words, he's completely lost the ability to ____ which was the one and only skill he brought to the job.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:21 am 
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The motive? Noting more than he mistakenly interpreted the original map to mean that Alabama could possibly be in the eventual path of the storm, which the National Weather Service never predicted. I doubt he had any reason to believe that the storm hitting Alabama would somehow be better for him that it not hitting Alabama. He just expressed an innocuous, mistaken opinion based on his inexpert interpretation of the map. The problem is that he is so narcissistic and insecure, he is incapable of admitting to having been mistaken about anything whatsoever, no matter how trivial or innocuous.


He can't even pull off smoke and mirrors any more. The mirrors cracked.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:24 am 
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Jersey Girl wrote:
... whipped out a Sharpie, revised a storm path trajectory map and essentially faked news'd it ...

There’s something seriously wrong with a man who is incapable of admitting even the smallest of gaffes or mistakes.

As bad enough as that already is, Trump is so afflicted by his own dysfunction that he will literally call a press conference with created fake props to cover for his earlier statement.

Nothing about this is normal or acceptable behavior for a grown man. This is not a person who should be occupying the Presidency.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:57 am 
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Surely, by now, even Trump must be at least beginning to realize how big a fool he made of himself by this clumsy, transparent ruse!

And surely it must be becoming harder and harder even for the likes of subgenius and ajax to avoid at least suspecting that Trump is a narcissistic fool.

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Surely, by now, even Trump must be at least beginning to realize how big a fool he made of himself by this clumsy, transparent ruse!

Nope.

Remember, it’s all about owning the libs, which in this case means being a shameless, compulsive liar. The Base loves that stuff!


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Gunnar wrote:
And surely it must be becoming harder and harder even for the likes of subgenius and ajax to avoid at least suspecting that Trump is a narcissistic fool.

Also nope.

The Base heartily condones useless, compulsive lying, snowflake personalities and victimization. The Lying Liar Lamestream Media and Evil Lib Scientists obviously conspired to set up Dear Leader with their printing of the actual weather chart. Something something Hillary Benghazi Uranium Tyson Chicken One Clinton Kill List. MAGA!!1!


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The initial error seems like a simple mistake. It's a more serious mistake than a simple slip of the tongue because his words about disaster preparedness actually carry some weight given his job and all. But it was nonetheless a simple mistake.

The incompetent Orwellianism that followed is cuckoo-town.

Remember when Obama said there were "57 states" because he accidentally combined the territories and states he had campaigned for? It was a silly slip of the tongue, though one far right circles used for years to prove he is a moron. Imagine that same mistake, but a few days later, Obama came out with a map of the United States with some sharpie on it to include Guam and Puerto Rico as official states.


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oh, is it that time in the hair-fire circle again? already?
I thought the "omg, mean orange tweeter is mental!!!" wasn't until next week....wasn't russian stripper pee tape supposed to be this week?

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oh, is it that time in the hair-fire circle again? already?
I thought the "omg, mean orange tweeter is mental!!!" wasn't until next week....wasn't russian stripper pee tape supposed to be this week?


Well, it's good thing he doesn't regularly lie while invoking 'fake news':

“They’ll say, oh, that’s a conflict of interest,” Trump continued. “Fake news, they’ll say this is a conflict of interest. You know where my club is, right? Trump National. It’s a very big success on Lake Norman. Beautiful. Largest man-made lake in the world by far, right?”

Whatever the case may be, there's absolutely no low that Trump could hit without you and some of your ilk talking about hair fires and snowflakes or whatever. I honestly believe Trump could just get on national television, present a young baby, and then ____ it on air claiming it's a Liberal baby and it deserves it, and you'd just talk about hair fires and snowflakes.

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oh, is it that time in the hair-fire circle again? already?

You always confuse comedy gold with 'hair fire'. There's no need to project your comprehension difficulties on to the functional portion of the population.

On a related note, maybe this is a common enough characteristic amongst conservatives and Trumpkins to explain why there are so few successful conservative-oriented comedians.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:32 pm 
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Trump adding the Sharpie pen inclusion of Alabama as a cover for his hair-brained lie is part of his mental decline.

Even Captain Queeg and his strawberry theft obsession was not as upsetting as this bizarre lying compulsion by Trump. Queeg was a fictional Navy Officer, while Trump is the dysfunctional produce of a Kremlin conspiracy and some type of conservative mass insanity.

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In thinking about how and why the President lied about something that would have fallen silently out of the news cycle, I would imagine it is easy for him to do so because he has gotten away with it for a long time.

Before his Presidency, Trump would call society gossip columnists pretending to be his own publicist. Trump values perception more than reality. And before he was President it was probably a lot easier to get away with altering his own image with metaphorical sharpies, no matter how untrue a picture they painted.

But now his actions are under a different microscope from the soft news universe of entertainment media.. The 'Fake News Media' is not backing down from his bluster and evasions. What's interesting to see is Trump's lack of adaptability. Now that he cannot control the media, there are no daily press briefings or formal press conferences. From the very first day of his Presidency, when he directed Sean Spicer to lie about the size of his Inauguration crowd, it is clear that his arguments are predicated on his own biased perception being reality, facts be dammed.

Think about all of the time he has wasted on this pinprick to his ego, as Dorian churns up the Eastern Seaboard.

And subgenius, I think it's Trump whose hair is on fire. All he had to do was acknowledge that he was wrong, and that his inclusion of Alabama was based on an earlier forecast. End of story. But Trump can never be wrong, and he wasted a ridiculous amount of time defending a perceived slight to his ego. He supposedly didn't go to Poland so he could monitor the storm, and he's tweeting out information that is several days old? And who in their right mind would believe that the sharpie half circle was really part of the map?

The argument has been made that Trump is an incompetent executive, and if the United States were a publicly held company, the President would have been fired by now. All you have to do is look at his time management in the last week.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:30 am 
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27 Mental health people have commented about Trump's mental health. One claims he displays the behavior of narcissistic personality.

The Narcissistic Personality

Believing you are better than others I know more about infrastructure than anyone
Fantasizing about power success and attractiveness
Exaggerating your achievements or talents
Expecting constant praise and admiration Having cabinet members tell him what a great job he does
Believing that you are special and acting accordingly
Failure to recognise other people’s emotions and feelings
Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans
Taking advantages of others
Expressing disdain for those whom you feel to be inferior Mocking disabled reporter.
Being jealous of others
Believing that others are jealous of you
Having trouble keeping healthy relationships
Setting unrealistic goals
Being easily hurt and rejected
Having a fragile self-esteem
Appearing tough-minded or unemotional
Phillip Zimbardo & Rosemany Sword
The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump : 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President pp36-39

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:45 am 
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And who in their right mind would believe that the sharpie half circle was really part of the map?


Well, there’s a dilemma for anyone in The Base. Either admit that Trump is a dumbarse for adding the sharpie line, or admit that they are the dumbarse for claiming that Team Trump did not add it.

That’s why subs can’t answer this question. There’s no face-saving option for him or his pride, here.


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