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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:35 pm 
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Kickoff is less than an hour away.

If BYU loses tonight, Utah will have won every game against BYU this decade.

10 years, folks. If BYU loses, it's clearly no longer a rivalry.

I hope BYU can pull it off, but I have to be realistic. Independence (and Utah going to the PAC 12) completely killed BYU sports, IMO.

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Well. Subgenius down in the Paradise forum has been educating us on statistics. According to his advanced very best statistical analysis technique BYU has a 100% chance of winning if they win and a 100% chance of losing if they lose.

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Well. Subgenius down in the Paradise forum has been educating us on statistics. According to his advanced very best statistical analysis technique BYU has a 100% chance of winning if they win and a 100% chance of losing if they lose.

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Well, that sucked!


Congrats to the Utes!

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I hate that I still like BYU football. Ugh

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It's not too late to convert. GO UTES!

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Well. Subgenius down in the Paradise forum has been educating us on statistics. According to his advanced very best statistical analysis technique BYU has a 100% chance of winning if they win and a 100% chance of losing if they lose.

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Listen to Mr Vegas, pretending that the same game will be played 1000 times.

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Listen to Mr Vegas, pretending that the same game will be played 1000 times.

As is often the case with you, that comment makes no sense whatsoever!

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Listen to Mr Vegas, pretending that the same game will be played 1000 times.

As is often the case with you, that comment makes no sense whatsoever!

What subbie unartfully attempted to say is Dr. Cam's comment only makes sense if one could play the same game over and over for the "odds" of a win or loss to be anything other than 100%. Which is dumb, to be clear.

What subbie is trying to argue is that post hoc one shouldn't talk about odds or chances because once something has happened it has happened. And prior to the event happening one is only guessing at the outcome because what happens is what happens and it could be the so-called most probable outcome, the least probable outcome, or a black swan unforeseen outcome.

Take his other "Vegas" claim that the odds of one winning are greatest with the first game one plays no matter what game that is. I believe what subbie is trying to say is that because the house has an edge, the "odds" are the longer one plays the more likely one is to lose money simply because the house edge means the house will win more often than the player. So if you play one hand of blackjack, the odds of winning a particular hand of blackjack against the house is something like 42%. And the odds of continuing to win go down with each hand based on simple statistics. But from hand to hand, the odds of winning any given hand is essentially 42% unless one uses card counting or the like which is illegal in casinos for a reason. The best I can tell is subbie is saying that if one plays enough games one will eventually arrive at something near the house edge such that the odds of winning any particular hand are irrelevant. But maybe not. Either way, it's missing something critical about how odds work. In this case, for the house edge to become evident in one's particular gambling outcome one would have to play thousands and thousands of games to the point it would be absurd to describe it as 100% inevitable the house will win X-amount of one's money so the house edge is actually the odds of winning.

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Subgenius at science school:

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What subbie unartfully attempted to say is...

is exactly what i said here and on the other thread. See, just like the statistical illiteracy of EAllusion and Doc's usual go-to-condescension, you guys always want to "translate" instead of comprehend. EAllusion used stats like a monkey uses poo. And Doc just wanted to feel good about being Doc.

But the point, is pretty clear. doesn't mean you have to agree with or like it...but "odds" are you guys will attack the messenger and ignore the message.

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honorentheos wrote:
What subbie unartfully attempted to say is...

is exactly what i said here and on the other thread. See, just like the statistical illiteracy of EAllusion and Doc's usual go-to-condescension, you guys always want to "translate" instead of comprehend. EAllusion used stats like a monkey uses poo. And Doc just wanted to feel good about being Doc.

But the point, is pretty clear. doesn't mean you have to agree with or like it...but "odds" are you guys will attack the messenger and ignore the message.

whine whine whine blah blah blah :lol:

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subgenius wrote:
honorentheos wrote:
What subbie unartfully attempted to say is...

is exactly what i said here and on the other thread.

Why am I not surprised the inventor of "It is what it is" statistical modeling also believes in the, "I said what I meant so failure to receive the intended message is always the fault of the reader," approach to communications.

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We are getting sidetracked. Let's get back to how good utah football has become.

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honorentheos wrote:
Why am I not surprised the inventor of "It is what it is" statistical modeling also believes in the, "I said what I meant so failure to receive the intended message is always the fault of the reader," approach to communications.

Naw,
I literally and actually - said what i said. You are the only one who wants to insist on some imaginary behind-the-veil what i must have surely "meant".
And its not that you failed to receive the message, its that you refused to receive it.

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Sure subbie, sell your communications program. It's helpful to be paranoid enough to imagine other people saying what you claim makes no sense is just them trying to take a swipe at you. Far be it from me to suggest it could be because you only make sense to yourself.

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Sure subbie, sell your communications program. It's helpful to be paranoid enough to imagine other people saying what you claim makes no sense is just them trying to take a swipe at you. Far be it from me to suggest it could be because you only make sense to yourself.

keep translating bruh, sounds great.

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subgenius wrote:
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Well. Subgenius down in the Paradise forum has been educating us on statistics. According to his advanced very best statistical analysis technique BYU has a 100% chance of winning if they win and a 100% chance of losing if they lose.

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Listen to Mr Vegas, pretending that the same game will be played 1000 times.

Sounds like an accurate assessment of your explanation of ‘odds and statistics’.

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honorentheos wrote:
Far be it from me to suggest it could be because you only make sense to yourself.


subgenius wrote:
keep translating bruh, sounds great.


Let's see. My comment seems testable. So let's test it!

First, let's look at what started this to see if it is possibly due to your only making sense to yourself.

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Listen to Mr Vegas, pretending that the same game will be played 1000 times.

As is often the case with you, that comment makes no sense whatsoever!


Hey! That looks like Gunnar saying what you think makes sense to you actually doesn't make sense. And he suggests this is a common problem with you as well. What do you know? Turns out I was just pointing out a problem with your approach to the board. Supposing you had the capability and normal human decency to recognize this and attempt to restate your point in a way that was actually more understandable, I might be out on a limb saying you're MO is to assert the problem is the reader not you. But you've got history. Turns out this is the internet and things people say stick around for a while and can be checked.

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Interesting story...

Why is any public school still playing football against BYU?
https://www.cityweekly.net/utah/unfair-acts/Content?oid=14160354

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