In a pig's eye you did. If, by some slim chance you did, you didn't understand a word he said.

Can you think of an example where you’ve been open to Mormonism not being true because of something experiential or spiritual?

This is simply gobbledygook. Your opinion of what constitutes reality doesn't answer any questions ABOUT the evidence. You didn't address ANY OF IT. You simply employed special pleading to try and sweep it aside.

I don't have to prove OR disprove the Book of Mormon. It does that ALL BY ITSELF. I'm relating the evidence surrounding it's coming forth and comparing accounts and showing inconsistency in those accounts. Instead of addressing that, you sidestepped the entire issue and claimed that it doesn't matter because of special pleading (subjective experiences). This is a cop out and your M.O. YOU HAVE NO COUNTER EVIDENCE. NONE AT ALL, because YOU DO NO RESEARCH. You are a lazy TROLL.

Nothing matters to you because you believe the "faithful" narrative and so you simply attack those that see inconsistency and contradiction in it and in the Book of Mormon itself. No original though proving responses. Simply Apologist blather and bearing of testimonies. Where Joseph Smith IS consistent, I note it in my research. He was very consistent with his adultery for example.

This kind of moronic trolling is your stock in trade. Why won't you address that Pratt prophesied that the Book of Mormon had proven itself false? Can't find any Apologist response that you can regurgitate?

Strike two. You are making stuff up. See my sigline.



This podcast opened up a number insights and points of view that I hadn't fleshed out to the extent that this fellow has. In that process I observed that neither I or anyone else can be completely aware of all of our own personal biases or incomplete or distorted mental maps. We all are subject to influences that gum up the works in regards to rationality and logic.

Granted, some are more practiced and able to get at theorems that are accepted by a greater number of people. But to get to a theorem the axiomatic statements along the way have to be thoroughly established and accepted. That is the business that you are in. That is the business that practiced apologists are in.

The stick in the mud, so to speak, is that along the way no one can approach everything in a purely rational way. At the end of the day, we are left with choices between competing 'rationales' based upon what is considered to be acceptable evidence by opposing parties. It's important to remember that no ONE of us can come to and progress through a line of investigation...especially in the study of history...without making missteps along the way.

That applies to you also. I've already mentioned that the work that you do is essential in producing more 'fodder' for investigation. But as I've already said, it is my belief...at least at this point anyway in my own faith journey...that at the end of the day you are farting into the wind.

Regards,
MG

Yes. Many times. You must think of me as a morgbot, right? I'm sure that you've had these experiences along the way also? What has your response been?

Probably somewhat different than mine.

grindael, if you would like this thread to continue in the direction that you originally intended, just say the word. I know things have sidetracked a bit.

I'd already given my two cents earlier and was willing to let it go at that. I'm willing to bow out if we are able to acknowledge our differences at this point and move on...

Your move.

Regards,
MG

Grindael, I'd like to read your book someday.

MG, I'm not sure if I'd like to smell your farts in the wind, but maybe someday. Someday...

I guarantee it would not be a pleasant experience. Truth be told, however, I'd just as well not smell grindael's either. Farts are farts.

Says this old fart.

Regards,
MG

This podcast opened up a number insights and points of view that I hadn't fleshed out to the extent that this fellow has. In that process I observed that neither I or anyone else can be completely aware of all of our own personal biases or incomplete or distorted mental maps. We all are subject to influences that gum up the works in regards to rationality and logic.

Granted, some are more practiced and able to get at theorems that are accepted by a greater number of people. But to get to a theorem the axiomatic statements along the way have to be thoroughly established and accepted. That is the business that you are in. That is the business that practiced apologists are in.

The stick in the mud, so to speak, is that along the way no one can approach everything in a purely rational way. At the end of the day, we are left with choices between competing 'rationales' based upon what is considered to be acceptable evidence by opposing parties. It's important to remember that no ONE of us can come to and progress through a line of investigation...especially in the study of history...without making missteps along the way. [/quote]

Once again, you show your true colors. This is all AFTER THE FACT. You already showed that you didn't understand what he was talking about, because you LIED. NOW, WHEN CAUGHT, you change your tune. This is what LIARS do. You have it down to a science.



Don't put me into your little ____ up scenarios. You know nothing about me and are not qualified to judge me or my life or tell me what applies to me. You offer no proof that it does, but I've offered up lots of evidence that you are a liar and a troll. And, as you are so wont to do, you can't think of anything original and have to parrot back what I said to you. The farts in the wind are all yours, pal. And they stink to high heaven. How you live with yourself is beyond me. What you produce is simply DUNG. You are full of it. So as I've said before and I'll say again, Go ____ yourself.

You are a ____ troll. Mission accomplished ass wipe. I don't acknowledge ANYTHING you say. I don't give credence to LIARS and their TROLLISH BS. You move on. You said you would way back when, but like with every single ____ thing you write, that was a lie too.

Hey grindael, you may want to go back to a recent post and use the quote feature correctly.

Thanks,
MG

I wasn't "caught" at anything. You're making stuff up. See my sigline.

I do learn/assimilate and apply new knowledge that I run across, however. I've always prided myself on being a life long learner. Thank goodness that I'm not stuck in a rut like some folks.

Regards,
MG

Hey Ass wipe, Instead of having any SHRED of INTEGRITY, you continue to troll this thread.

You are sounding a bit crazy, dude.

Chill.

Regards,
MG

Instead of having any SHRED of INTEGRITY, you continue to troll this thread.

Instead of having any SHRED of INTEGRITY, you continue to troll this thread.

As I said upthread:


You've made your move. I've responded. Is it possible to troll your own thread?

Regards,
MG

That was after you said you would leave.


Instead of having any SHRED of INTEGRITY, you continue to troll this thread.

You are the TROLL here.

grindael,

I think others may agree with me when I say that your language habits fall within the designation of being "potty mouthed". There are ladies present. I'm sure they may have a distaste towards your language. There may be...but I don't know for sure...some of the men here who also find your language distasteful and unbecoming of an educated adult.

Regards,
MG

Sounds like we may have acknowledged and worked out our differences.

Regards,
MG

Oh poor ____ can't handle a little colorful language? With you, it all aptly applies. And again ____, you show your incredible lack of integrity by continuing to troll my thread. You can't keep your word, you are a liar and your testimony is a lie like everything else. Poor little drone, has nowhere else to troll?

Oh, you acknowledge that you are a ____! Thank you.