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I'm not a professional politics talker so, keep that in mind. At this time I feel the only field of focus should be finding the dem. candidate that has the best shot at dethroning the Don. In my opinion, Pete, should take a seat, (this time.) Every vote may wind up important and there are a whole lot of undecided-s who will be decidedly against Pete's same sex sexual attraction lifestyle affiliation thing homosexuality.

I say Joe B. picks an attractive 50 year old moderate republican female for a co-host. That would be a sure win.


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Biden/Klobuchar.

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Biden/Klobuchar.

Get her to switch parties and you got a deal.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:04 pm 
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I'm sure Democrats would be thrilled with a near octogenarian picking a Republican for vice President. Ticket balancing between parties has worked out incredibly well when it has been done in American history. Abraham Lincoln did it, and it only ended up strangling the civil rights movement for 100 years. So it was fine.

I don't understand the assumption that the only voters who matter are moderate conservatives. You do this, and the odds that you turn off a substantial number of would-be liberal voters is pretty good. And you might not gain much for doing it, as there is asymmetrical negative partisanship between typical Republican and Democratic voters and there is still a Democrat atop the Democratic ticket.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:24 pm 
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I'm just thinking out loud EAllusion, and have not put a lot of time yet into trying to dissect the political cluster____ going on. I do agree with myself of Pete though.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 2:14 am 
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I'm not a professional politics talker so, keep that in mind. At this time I feel the only field of focus should be finding the dem. candidate that has the best shot at dethroning the Don. In my opinion, Pete, should take a seat, (this time.) Every vote may wind up important and there are a whole lot of undecided-s who will be decidedly against Pete's same sex sexual attraction lifestyle affiliation thing homosexuality.

I say Joe B. picks an attractive 50 year old moderate republican female for a co-host. That would be a sure win.

Yeah, someone should tell Buttigieg that under Trump, bigotry is on the rise. Since he's gay, he'll wake up and drop out.

And let's make sure that the Moderate Republican Female is a member of the NRA and is a climate change denier. That'll really balance the ticket.

I feel the desperation to get rid of Trump. If Biden were to pick a moderate Republican women, it is a sensible triangulation in the abstract. But who does Joe get to work for the ticket? You think Bernie Sanders supporters will accept being throw aside for a second election in a row? 'Balancing a ticket' cannot mean alienating the rest of the party you need to work to elect you.

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Do you think people would vote for a crooked narcissistic sociopath over an honest, smart, veteran who is homosexual?(Trump vs Buttigieg)

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moksha wrote:
Do you think people would vote for a crooked narcissistic sociopath over an honest, smart, veteran who is homosexual?(Trump vs Buttigieg)

I'm just opining that there is the potential that every vote may count in November. So, yes to that. I think that there is a large enough group out there with Christian values - Pro life, anti same-sex - lifetime Republicans, who do think Trump is an idiot, and would swing over with a viable dem candidate. Hillary was not viable to them. Any of the front running Democrats right now also might not be viable to them. So, try something else to try to win them. I think Joe B. could pick Sarah effing Palin and not lose a single Dem. vote.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 8:35 am 
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Pete Buttigeig polls among the worst of any Democrat against Trump. Of the major candidates, he polls the worst. This may be related to name recognition, but there are other reasons that can explain it too. There's really not a sound basis to suppose he's the most electable.

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I think Joe B. could pick Sarah effing Palin and not lose a single Dem. vote.

This intuition is quite wrong. Yes, there are lots of people who dislike Trump enough that they are motivated to vote against him no matter what. No, this number is not so absolute that they'd all tolerate this. This would be an extremely powerful demotivator for liberals. I know your example is hyperbolic, but I'm in the against Trump no matter what category. If proto-Trump was the VP candidate of a Presidential candidate who appears to already have one foot in the grave, I'd have serious reservations about not just voting 3rd party.

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Hillary was not viable to them.

Notably, Hillary tried the strategy you are recommending. The Dem convention in 2016 looked more like a Republican convention before the Republican party went insane. She went with a moderate Dem for VP. Of course, Hillary had years of negative feelings built up against her by Republican leaning voters. A newer face might not have that, but don't underestimate the power of right-wing media to drive up the negatives of any Democratic candidate in that population.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:23 am 
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Just checking on how Mayor Pete does against Trump compared to other candidates in Wisconsin, the swingiest of states:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epoll ... -6970.html
Looks like Mayor Pete and Trump are neck-and-neck.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epoll ... -6849.html
Biden is clearly ahead right now.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epoll ... -6850.html
Sanders has a slim lead, but also roughly neck-and-neck.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epoll ... -6852.html
Warren looks like she would lose Wisconsin to Trump.

Weirdly, none of the other candidates have been included in head-to-head polls since early November while the four front runners in Iowa were in polls in the last month as listed on RealClear. One has to go back to early November to find a poll with a Klobuchar v. Trump head-to-head question where he kills her by 14 points. None of the other candidates currently show as possible searches. Guess the race is already over except for the front four...

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:31 am 
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Dantana wrote:
I'm not a professional politics talker so, keep that in mind. At this time I feel the only field of focus should be finding the dem. candidate that has the best shot at dethroning the Don. In my opinion, Pete, should take a seat, (this time.) Every vote may wind up important and there are a whole lot of undecided-s who will be decidedly against Pete's same sex sexual attraction lifestyle affiliation thing homosexuality.

I say Joe B. picks an attractive 50 year old moderate republican female for a co-host. That would be a sure win.

In 2018, we saw a range of candidates do well for Democrats when they took the House and made a bad situation in the Senate turn out not so bad. Arizona elected a female bi-sexual non-religious ex-Mormon as Senator. So who knows what people will support? Probably best not to try and tell voters what to think, IMO.

Personally, along those lines I think the Democrats would be wise to take the top two finishers coming into the convention as a nod to democracy, and to create at least some resemblance of fairness if they hope to keep the party united against Trump. If they do that, they don't need to worry about how many anti-LGBT bigots won't vote for a potential Mayor Pete as President or support him as VP. Those states where those voters matter are probably irrelevant to the election anyway. But keeping the race fair, showing that the primary voters were respected and the super delegates didn't appear to steal the race away from a progressive to give it to a moderate would probably be the most winning strategy. IMO of course. I think a brokered convention could turn into a firestorm of destruction if mishandled, or it could unite the party if handled well. But there is a ton of risk going into it this year.

I think the most likely result of your suggestion is Milwaukee would be burned to the ground.

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The fact that both Sanders and Biden seem to do better than average in the demographics Wisconsin is heavy in is a hint that this isn't about how moderate or not a candidate is. It's that both exude old white man energy, and this plays a little better for Wisconsin's demographics. They are polar opposites in ideology within the Democratic primary. If it were about ideology, you'd expect to see those numbers to look a little different.

Something that can be hard to get your head around when following politics closely is that swing voters are largely uninformed, cross-pressured people who flip on reasons that don't make a lot of sense from the perspective of someone with a more coherent understanding of politics. I mean, if you're undecided about Trump's reelection at this point, something is wrong with you. Because of this, predicting that they'll respond to rational ideological incentives is a dangerous game. It's not that they can't be persuaded, but what might persuade them might not be intuitive from your own conception of politics.


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If they do that, they don't need to worry about how many anti-LGBT bigots won't vote for a potential Mayor Pete as President or support him as VP.

The white portion of those voters are already fervent Trump supporters. The religious haters among black and Latino voters might possibly lay their dislike of the evil Trump aside and vote against the honest gay.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:19 pm 
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Well, I'm in Maui for a week so, I feel safe enough saying what some on here might consider ill-informed, naïve ... stupid things, cause I'm in Maui. And your not.

Trump must be defeated before he kills us all. Full stop. Any unselfish, patriotic American politician (oxymoron alert) who isn't focused on this end, is no true unselfish, patriotic American.
Why in the @&K*%#%! are the Democrats unable to field a normal human for their champion? Joe B. is too old, and has that creeping up on women thing going on. Bernie is too old, and has that mad scientist thing going on. E. Warren is too old, and has that extreme left wing and phoniness thing going on. I like Pete B. plenty, but he has that homosexual thing going on. Amy is fine I guess. She does have those being a dick reports and that - what Bernie said about Warren thing going on. (A woman can't win)

Maybe someone on here can explain to me what was wrong with Eric effing Swalwell.


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