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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:54 pm 
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In that i listen to Democrats I have the belief that they are pushing to continue Obama's booming economy even if it is something Trump has not wrecked yet. They are for actually doing infrastructure instead if waving a hand about it. They want better trade deals and have made them. They want border security, though not a grossly expensive wall that always has weakness.

Happy to hear that you believe in stuff.
If only there were facts we could base those beliefs upon...like the rate of illegal border crossings since Trump's policies were enacted.
And which economy is Obama's again?

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:10 am 
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I can't seem to figure out how to get around the paywall.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:20 am 
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I can't seem to figure out how to get around the paywall.

Usually you can circumvent it by opening an "Incognito" tab in Chrome.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:29 am 
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I can't seem to figure out how to get around the paywall.

Usually you can circumvent it by opening an "Incognito" tab in Chrome.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:31 am 
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Biden, Klob., Yang, Steyer - 10

Bloom., Butti, - 9

Warren - 5

Gab. - 4

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:01 pm 
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Man, Bloomberg is trying to straight up buy the election and it is sort of working. That's concerning.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:56 pm 
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Trump started calling Mike Bloomberg "mini Mike" in the Sean Hannity interview and he started this lie about Bloomberg requesting a box to stand on during the debates so he could look taller.

The response by the Bloomberg team was priceless, and something youd expect Trump to say. They fought fire insults with insults of their own and I think that resonates with a lot if people. Maybe what we need is the Left's version if Trump.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:02 pm 
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Trump started calling Mike Bloomberg "mini Mike" in the Sean Hannity interview and he started this lie about Bloomberg requesting a box to stand on during the debates so he could look taller.

The response by the Bloomberg team was priceless, and something youd expect Trump to say. They fought fire insults with insults of their own and I think that resonates with a lot if people. Maybe what we need is the Left's version if Trump.


There's no real "left's version of Trump" but the closest one is Sanders.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:17 pm 
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Trump started calling Mike Bloomberg "mini Mike" in the Sean Hannity interview and he started this lie about Bloomberg requesting a box to stand on during the debates so he could look taller.

The response by the Bloomberg team was priceless, and something youd expect Trump to say. They fought fire insults with insults of their own and I think that resonates with a lot if people. Maybe what we need is the Left's version if Trump.


There's no real "left's version of Trump" but the closest one is Sanders.


In terms of popularity, sure. I was thinking more of the white male billionaire who throws caution to the wind and speaks his mind. He's also something of a celebrity with celebrity backing (i.e. Judge Judy is vouching for him). He's also worth over $60 billion which makes him probably 20-30 times wealthier than Trump.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:44 pm 
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I meant in terms of demagogic tendencies.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:47 pm 
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I saw this twitter thread the other day making a provocative argument that the Trump led GOP is going to expand its attempts to manipulate elections in illegal and semi-legal ways post impeachment acquittal. Because of how reactionaries work, this means they'll be projecting that by accusing their opponent of the same. It was an interesting thesis.

Then, as if by magic, there's already a deluge of fabricated claims of Democratic vote rigging running through the right-wing media ecosystem today.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:04 am 
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I was spending time on the website for the organization that represents my profession over a lunch break reading articles of interest. While doing so, the website had a pop-up survey seeking input on the information it provides and what they can do to improve. I took it, and once I finished it asked if i would mind taking a second survey as survey monkey-type apps are prone to do. I don't recall the exact subject but it had to do with a political issue that overlapped my professional interest so I opted to take that one, too.

I can't say for sure but I'm about 95% confident it was a survey funded by Mike Bloomberg. It ended up being a public opinion poll on typical Democrat party issues, and what my level of concern was for each followed by asking how much I knew about Mike Bloomberg's position on the issues I had said I favored.

He's definitely throwing money at every angle of the race. I think EAllusion's correct in questioning how democratic it is that a person with billions of dollars can buy name recognition, poll into a successful message that appeals to enough democratic voters to get him the nomination, and bypass the normal mechanisms of an election because his money gives him a pass to the front of the line unavailable to other candidates. Plus, he's essentially an authoritarian-lite when in office given his track record in New York. I don't favor Sanders for many reasons, but at least he's winning his support through his message and knocking on doors.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:07 am 
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EAllusion wrote:
Then, as if by magic, there's already a deluge of fabricated claims of Democratic vote rigging running through the right-wing media ecosystem today.

I thought the same thing this morning. How skeptical should one be to find out there were software glitches in Iowa as the Republicans and the President gloat over irregularities and chaos in the Iowa Democratic caucus? I don't want to jump to conclusions and into a conspiracy theory but it doesn't look good.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:18 am 
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honorentheos wrote:
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Then, as if by magic, there's already a deluge of fabricated claims of Democratic vote rigging running through the right-wing media ecosystem today.

I thought the same thing this morning. How skeptical should one be to find out there were software glitches in Iowa as the Republicans and the President gloat over irregularities and chaos in the Iowa Democratic caucus? I don't want to jump to conclusions and into a conspiracy theory but it doesn't look good.

I wrote that post before the caucus debacle in reference to false claims about implausible numbers of registered Democrats in Iowa spreading through the right wing media ecosystem. It’s now somehow even worse.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:24 am 
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Man, Bloomberg is trying to straight up buy the election and it is sort of working. That's concerning.


He is, and he may not be the best candidate for the left. But money buys elections, you have to have it...is paying for your own run more wrong/concerning than taking monies from other rich supporters? This can apply to a republican or a democrat...LOL it is a bi-partisan question.

I don't know a lot yet about Bloomberg, I just have not read too much about him yet, or paid much attention to his past politics...what is the major issue with his politics that raise a concern, or is it just having the ability to buy his way into the race? ?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:26 pm 
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EAllusion wrote:
I thought the same thing this morning. How skeptical should one be to find out there were software glitches in Iowa as the Republicans and the President gloat over irregularities and chaos in the Iowa Democratic caucus?


Well, that post turned out to be prescient. Now you have local and national Republican leaders, including the President, along with all major right-wing media outlets attempting to push conspiracy theories regarding Democratic election rigging with no factual basis. This ranges from plain irresponsible to telegraphing future attempts to subvert democracy. It ain't good.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:18 pm 
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Man, Bloomberg is trying to straight up buy the election and it is sort of working. That's concerning.

Iowa, and once again reality, disagrees with you.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:48 pm 
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Man, Bloomberg is trying to straight up buy the election and it is sort of working. That's concerning.

Iowa, and once again reality, disagrees with you.


What about Iowa? Bloomberg made no effort to win Iowa. His strategy was to ignore early primary states and pour a small fortune into national advertising in an effort to win the major multi-state primary days. Based on basically nothing but wealth, he's parlayed that into, not necessarily a major threat to win the election, but an impactful amount of support.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:27 pm 
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Bloomberg deliberately didn't campaign in Iowa. Anyone paying even the slightest amount of attention would know...oh. As you were.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:24 pm 
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I meant in terms of demagogic tendencies.


Another thing that I see echos of Trump in Sanders is that Sanders has a toxic, bullying group of online followers that Sanders must know about, but doesn't do a lot to disavow. He doesn't seem to mind having these enforcers on his side. It's not that every Sanders supporter is a jerk, but Sanders is fairly unique among Democrats for having this organized, extremely online crowd be aggressive idiots on his behalf. Even more than Yang, he also seems to be a draw for the "alt-light" crowd that isn't conservative, but retains the more obnoxious elements of that sub-culture. If you are into Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris and are kind of a dick, but cannot abide Trump, there's a good chance you are backing Sanders. That is, unless you are into the hard stuff, in which case you're probably stanning Tulsi Gabbard.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:52 pm 
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If you are into Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris and are kind of a dick, but cannot abide Trump, there's a good chance you are backing Sanders.


I like Sam Harris, but I am not a dick.

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bullying group of online followers that Sanders must know about.


Oh wow! Can you give us some links?

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extremely online crowd be aggressive idiots on his behalf.


Most of them do not make nasty and personal, racist, or sexist attacks. Sanders followers are just young people that are struggling in life. You are grossly stereotyping. I thought you hated stereotypes.

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Another thing that I see echos of Trump in Sanders is that Sanders has a toxic, bullying group of online followers that Sanders must know about.


It can't be more toxic than The Terrestrial Forum of this board. Show us some links please.


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