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 Post subject: Dem Primary Candidate Quiz
PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:45 am 
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On this quiz of sketchy value from the Washington Post, I agreed with Bloomberg, Klobuchar, and Buttigeig the most with a score of 11. Sanders and Gabbard brought up the rear with a score of 4 and 5 respectively.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... s-with-me/

Feel free to take it. Just also take it with a grain of salt.


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 Post subject: Re: Dem Primary Candidate Quiz
PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:53 am 
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It'll be a cold day in hell before I vote Bloomberg. Washington Post forgot to ask me how I feel about civil rights abuses. For the record, I'm opposed.


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 Post subject: Re: Dem Primary Candidate Quiz
PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:18 am 
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Klobuchar, Warren, Yang and Steyer all got 12.

Bloomberg and Buttigieg 11

Biden 9

Sanders and Gabbard 6


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:19 am 
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My top two were Yang and Bloomberg, closely followed by Biden and Warren. Tired for last we Sanders and Steyer. I would not have expected such a big gap between Warren and Sanders or that Warren would be tied with Biden.

I feel the same way EAllusion does about Bloomberg.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:24 am 
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Bloomberg, Steyer, Biden and Klobuchar all tied at the top, with Yang and Buttigieg two points behind them. Sanders was last with Warren and Gabbard two points above him. But there is really only seven points difference (13 to 6) between the top and bottom candidates on a scale of 20. Six of the candidates shared about half of my views, but 13/20 matches isn't exactly marriage material, either.

There were zero issues where my bottom four exclusively represented the position I hold, usually only getting points where they agreed with a plurality of other candidates. Fair enough. The top four on my list appear to be there only primarily due of economic issues.

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 Post subject: Re: Dem Primary Candidate Quiz
PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:56 am 
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Photo finish: Bloomberg, Yang
A nose out of first: Biden
Right on Biden's tail: Klobuchar
Middle of the pack: Buttigieg, Steyer
Lagging behind: Warren, Gabbard
Also ran: Sanders
Track conditions: Meh

I imagine the outcome would have been rather different if the quiz allowed handicapping assigning weights to the issues.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:09 am 
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Bret Ripley wrote:
Photo finish: Bloomberg, Yang
A nose out of first: Biden
Right on Biden's tail: Klobuchar
Middle of the pack: Buttigieg, Steyer
Lagging behind: Warren, Gabbard
Also ran: Sanders
Track conditions: Meh

I imagine the outcome would have been rather different if the quiz allowed handicapping assigning weights to the issues.

I agree. I'd be interested to see how weighting would move the numbers. I also found myself hesitating on questions like, "The United States Should/Should Not consider providing all citizens with a universal basic income." The question itself represents an issue I'm very concerned about (the future of work in the 21st C. as production of necessities shifts due to ever increasing automation), and taken literally stressing "consider" rather than the issue itself I'd say yes, the US should be considering that among many other ideas. But shifting off of the wording to the issue in isolation, the question seemed targeted at scoring a hit for Yang who has UBI as a prominent feature in his platform. I put "should" out of respect for the literal reading of the question, got Yang* as the only person with that same opinion, and grumbled.

*I went back and retook it to play with the numbers. Turns out Warren and Gabbard are also included on that one, with the commentary saying Gabbard supports it with Yang while Warren is open to it.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:18 am 
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:26 am 
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ajax18 wrote:
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How'd you score?


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:03 pm 
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Steyer

12

Biden

11

Bloomberg

11

Klobuchar

11

Buttigieg

10

Yang

10

Sanders

9

Warren

8

Gabbard

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:22 pm 
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honorentheos wrote:
The question itself represents an issue I'm very concerned about (the future of work in the 21st C. as production of necessities shifts due to ever increasing automation), and taken literally stressing "consider" rather than the issue itself I'd say yes, the US should be considering that among many other ideas.
Yeah, I found myself hesitating over some of the questions for the very same reason. Also: for some folks, I think some answers could be influenced by policy decisions relating to other questions. For example, if college tuition were to be made free for all people then forgiveness of all student debt could be seen as a more equitable option than it would be otherwise.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:40 pm 
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EAllusion wrote:
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How'd you score?

Heh. Just for kicks, I donned my "ajax hat" and took a stab at it. Let the record show:

9 Bloomberg
8 Biden
6 Yang
6 Gabbard
5 Klobuchar
5 Steyer
4 Buttigieg
4 Sanders
1 Warren


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:54 pm 
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Ajax, a piece of honest curiosity, what do you consider important meanings of Socialism and what are Democrats aiming at that fits? I do not so much mean to argue anything here just trying to understand.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:09 pm 
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:51 pm 
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It’s interesting to me how Trumpists don’t see themselves during the Clinton and Obama eras in their own caricatures. But, hey. Cartoons.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:46 pm 
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huckelberry wrote:
Ajax, a piece of honest curiosity, what do you consider important meanings of Socialism and what are Democrats aiming at that fits? I do not so much mean to argue anything here just trying to understand.


The Trump administration has been engaged in some fairly aggressive socialist policies - the kind where criticism of socialism's failings are the strongest - and Ajax has expressed not one word of criticism or regret. He doesn't care about socialism per se. Rhetoric aside, he seems to like socialism so long as it goes to his class and discriminates against groups he dislikes.

For him, this is just sloganeering. It doesn't go much deeper than that.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:08 am 
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Ajax has not the foggiest idea what socialism really means. Anyone who equates socialism with communism is tipping their hand that they don't really know what these terms mean. He just knows socialism is an effective scare word for ignorant people.

It's thoughtless self-fear-mongering from people who live on the fuel of their emotions and not reasoned consideration.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:18 am 
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I scored a 4-way tie for 1st, and my scores ranged from 12 to 9. Apparently, I agree with Warren, Yang, Gabbard, and Steyer the most, and Bernie the least.

Funny.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:20 am 
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
It’s interesting to me how Trumpists don’t see themselves during the Clinton and Obama eras in their own caricatures. But, hey. Cartoons.

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Political myopia is interesting?...passive/aggressive deflections are also interesting...either way, you left it undisputed for 2020.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:46 pm 
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
It’s interesting to me how Trumpists don’t see themselves during the Clinton and Obama eras in their own caricatures. But, hey. Cartoons.

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Political myopia is interesting?...passive/aggressive deflections are also interesting...either way, you left it undisputed for 2020.


In that i listen to Democrats I have the belief that they are pushing to continue Obama's booming economy even if it is something Trump has not wrecked yet. They are for actually doing infrastructure instead if waving a hand about it. They want better trade deals and have made them. They want border security, though not a grossly expensive wall that always has weakness.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:51 pm 
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Sanders 16

Warren 15

Steyer 12

I prefer all of them over Trump. All of them recognize the urgency of ameliorating climate change, which is the most dangerous problem affecting our children and grandchildren, if not us. Trump and his administration just doesn't care, because they know that most of them will be dead before the worst of the consequences will be upon us.

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