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ajax18 wrote:
I expect that it would be at least as hard to cure you as to cure a flat earther.


harder I would hope

I'm just happy to have been cured of my faith crisis and false beliefs that led to it. I honestly couldn't be more at peace and hopeful of what is to come in the spirit world and beyond. So in a sense Schmo is right. I am happy with my reality right now. The choice to believe and have faith is better than anything modern medicine could ever provide.

My point is that having faith in the honesty and competence of Donald J. Trump is at least as irrational as insisting despite all evidence that the earth is flat. The record of his numerous lies and shady business dealings all through his life is easily accessible, very well known and not all that controversial.
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My point is that having faith in the honesty and competence of Donald J. Trump is at least as irrational as insisting despite all evidence that the earth is flat. The record of his numerous lies and shady business dealings all through his life is easily accessible, very well known and not all that controversial.


You guys confuse dishonesty and incompetence for disagreement of opinion all the time.

You're a socialist. Trump doesn't advance your agenda. That doesn't mean he hasn't been loyal to his base. The fact that you hate him so much means he's doing something right.
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This, once again, confirms my suspicion that Ajax and the other turbo-brainlets really don't read much if a post goes beyond a few sentences. There has been ample posts detailing the reasons why Trump, and by extension the GOP, is a problem for a host of reasons. The fact that Ajax simply reduces the discussion to 'you hate him therefore he's right' is so facile, so wrong, and so ignorant that I'm left with no other conclusion that the vast majority of people who hold a core belief or two are literally incapable of reasoned discussion. Their brains literally can't employ logos when mulling over issues, and are so random in their reasoning they're aptly described as 'goldfishing' when flitting from one discussion point to another making it impossible to find an agreeable common ground. In fact, I'm deliberately writing this paragraph so as to preemptively defeat their desire to read and address the point I made a few sentences above. I figure if I keep typing that their hindbrain will immediately concede defeat any desire to actually read for comprehension because once a paragraph goes beyond a few sentences they're likely to immediately, in a best case scenario, skim over it hoping their smooth brains can actually pick out a point, which would then induce an automatic response of just saying something because that's all they really do anyway. Just say stuff. Anyway, I figure if I just repeat myself over and over again my suspicions will be confirmed, but at the same time I'm hoping the discerning reader made it to the point before where I wrote that I'm writing the paragraph to act as a sort of mental fog-inducing phenomenon that typically only the ones I'm talking about experience. If you made it this far I'm sorry for putting you through this, but a man can only take so many repeat performances by people who are more interested in drive-by farting than any sort of discernable discussion.

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:This, once again, confirms my suspicion that Ajax and the other turbo-brainlets really don't read much if a post goes beyond a few sentences. There has been ample posts detailing the reasons why Trump, and by extension the GOP, is a problem for a host of reasons. The fact that Ajax simply reduces the discussion to 'you hate him therefore he's right' is so facile, so wrong, and so ignorant that I'm left with no other conclusion that the vast majority of people who hold a core belief or two are literally incapable of reasoned discussion. Their brains literally can't employ logos when mulling over issues, and are so random in their reasoning they're aptly described as 'goldfishing' when flitting from one discussion point to another making it impossible to find an agreeable common ground. In fact, I'm deliberately writing this paragraph so as to preemptively defeat their desire to read and address the point I made a few sentences above. I figure if I keep typing that their hindbrain will immediately concede defeat any desire to actually read for comprehension because once a paragraph goes beyond a few sentences they're likely to immediately, in a best case scenario, skim over it hoping their smooth brains can actually pick out a point, which would then induce an automatic response of just saying something because that's all they really do anyway. Just say stuff. Anyway, I figure if I just repeat myself over and over again my suspicions will be confirmed, but at the same time I'm hoping the discerning reader made it to the point before where I wrote that I'm writing the paragraph to act as a sort of mental fog-inducing phenomenon that typically only the ones I'm talking about experience. If you made it this far I'm sorry for putting you through this, but a man can only take so many repeat performances by people who are more interested in drive-by farting than any sort of discernable discussion.

- Doc


Do you guys have a flow chart with like 4 things on it or do you use a pinwheel. Inquiring minds must know.

Agrees with socialism—> good congrajulate
Does not agree with socialism —> bad call name

Maybe its just a lack of sample size but that seems to be limits of your thinking. 4 was a bit generous in retrospect.

Why not try off with the name calling and gaslighting and dog piling for a bit. It gets tiresome.

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IWTT,

Do you have any insights to share with regard to the topic, or are you just content to do your drive-by thing? Feel free to expand on the topic or not, but until then you're a projectionist and we're just watchin' your ____ film.

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I don't think an apology was needed.
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ajax18 wrote:
My point is that having faith in the honesty and competence of Donald J. Trump is at least as irrational as insisting despite all evidence that the earth is flat. The record of his numerous lies and shady business dealings all through his life is easily accessible, very well known and not all that controversial.


You guys confuse dishonesty and incompetence for disagreement of opinion all the time.

You're a socialist. Trump doesn't advance your agenda. That doesn't mean he hasn't been loyal to his base. The fact that you hate him so much means he's doing something right.

Trump is a pathological liar on a scale that is impressive in its endurance and totality. You could, with almost no effort, see a cataloging of lies in his daily comments basically every single day. Thinking this is just confusing "a difference of opinion" reveals how intellectually incurious you are. You don't wanna know.

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ajax18 wrote:The fact that you hate him so much means he's doing something right.


At what increasing level of crappiness does an individual no longer fall under this sort of strange blanket immunity?

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:IWTT,

Do you have any insights to share with regard to the topic, or are you just content to do your drive-by thing? Feel free to expand on the topic or not, but until then you're a projectionist and we're just watchin' your ____ film.

- Doc

Yeah, that’s not going to happen.

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canpakes wrote:
ajax18 wrote:The fact that you hate him so much means he's doing something right.


At what increasing level of crappiness does an individual no longer fall under this sort of strange blanket immunity?


As long is canpakes is getting pwned, then all is right with the world. Murderous tyrant kills canpakes' family? Lol, gotta be doin' something right if canpakes seems so triggered.

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iwanttotalk wrote:Do you guys have a flow chart with like 4 things on it or do you use a pinwheel. Inquiring minds must know.

You have yet to demonstrate that you're an "inquiring mind." Several people who know me on this forum will testify that I am open to learning something new and even changing my mind and admitting I might be wrong when presented with credible evidence and arguments by reasonable people. So far, you have shown no such tendency. Nor has ajax18--at least not very often. I think I may have seen a few times when he responded favorably and creditably to answers to questions he asked about subjects that did not seriously challenge his most deeply held core beliefs and prejudices, and he has, on occasion, provided illuminating and valuable advice about optics and eye care.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:The fact that Ajax simply reduces the discussion to 'you hate him therefore he's right' is so facile, so wrong, and so ignorant that I'm left with no other conclusion that the vast majority of people who hold a core belief or two are literally incapable of reasoned discussion. Their brains literally can't employ logos when mulling over issues, and are so random in their reasoning they're aptly described as 'goldfishing' when flitting from one discussion point to another making it impossible to find an agreeable common ground.
- Doc


Its been pretty well documented that pathos is more persuasive than logos among the uneducated. This has been shown by studies to be especially true among conservatives. They have a rigid black and white point of view that doesn't allow new information to change their minds. They shift goal posts back and forth. AGW is a good example. They denied it for years, then they blamed volcanoes, then they denied it again. Now they don't even talk about it.
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EAllusion wrote:As long is canpakes is getting pwned, then all is right with the world. Murderous tyrant kills canpakes' family? Lol, gotta be doin' something right if canpakes seems so triggered.


Lol, yep. : D

Now, just for fun, I'm going to park these two quotes, from the same person in the same thread, right next to each other:


ajax18 wrote:Bernie Sanders is probably one of the most evil and dangerous men in American politics I've seen in my lifetime.
ajax18 wrote: The fact that you hate him so much means he's doing something right.

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canpakes wrote:Now, just for fun, I'm going to park these two quotes, from the same person in the same thread, right next to each other:

ajax18 wrote:Bernie Sanders is probably one of the most evil and dangerous men in American politics I've seen in my lifetime.
ajax18 wrote: The fact that you hate him so much means he's doing something right.

LOL... nice.

Yeah, since Bernie is hated by ajax, Bernie must be the best politician ever!

ajax logic takes no effort. No wonder he uses it.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:This, once again, confirms my suspicion that Ajax and the other turbo-brainlets really don't read much if a post goes beyond a few sentences. There has been ample posts detailing the reasons why Trump, and by extension the GOP, is a problem for a host of reasons. The fact that Ajax simply reduces the discussion to 'you hate him therefore he's right' is so facile, so wrong, and so ignorant that I'm left with no other conclusion that the vast majority of people who hold a core belief or two are literally incapable of reasoned discussion. Their brains literally can't employ logos when mulling over issues, and are so random in their reasoning they're aptly described as 'goldfishing' when flitting from one discussion point to another making it impossible to find an agreeable common ground. In fact, I'm deliberately writing this paragraph so as to preemptively defeat their desire to read and address the point I made a few sentences above. I figure if I keep typing that their hindbrain will immediately concede defeat any desire to actually read for comprehension because once a paragraph goes beyond a few sentences they're likely to immediately, in a best case scenario, skim over it hoping their smooth brains can actually pick out a point, which would then induce an automatic response of just saying something because that's all they really do anyway. Just say stuff. Anyway, I figure if I just repeat myself over and over again my suspicions will be confirmed, but at the same time I'm hoping the discerning reader made it to the point before where I wrote that I'm writing the paragraph to act as a sort of mental fog-inducing phenomenon that typically only the ones I'm talking about experience. If you made it this far I'm sorry for putting you through this, but a man can only take so many repeat performances by people who are more interested in drive-by farting than any sort of discernable discussion.

- Doc


The time when you see real thought and decision is during the party primaries. Conservative and liberal are so far apart when the general election comes you're not going to hear one side say anything positive about the other.

The fact is that compromise candidates seem to be winning less in the general elections than more extreme candidates on both sides. Energizing your base wins you more votes than the few crossover voters that might still exist. Even though it seemed impossible, politics is getting even more partisan.
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ajax18 wrote:
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:This, once again, confirms my suspicion that Ajax and the other turbo-brainlets really don't read much if a post goes beyond a few sentences. There has been ample posts detailing the reasons why Trump, and by extension the GOP, is a problem for a host of reasons. The fact that Ajax simply reduces the discussion to 'you hate him therefore he's right' is so facile, so wrong, and so ignorant that I'm left with no other conclusion that the vast majority of people who hold a core belief or two are literally incapable of reasoned discussion. Their brains literally can't employ logos when mulling over issues, and are so random in their reasoning they're aptly described as 'goldfishing' when flitting from one discussion point to another making it impossible to find an agreeable common ground. In fact, I'm deliberately writing this paragraph so as to preemptively defeat their desire to read and address the point I made a few sentences above. I figure if I keep typing that their hindbrain will immediately concede defeat any desire to actually read for comprehension because once a paragraph goes beyond a few sentences they're likely to immediately, in a best case scenario, skim over it hoping their smooth brains can actually pick out a point, which would then induce an automatic response of just saying something because that's all they really do anyway. Just say stuff. Anyway, I figure if I just repeat myself over and over again my suspicions will be confirmed, but at the same time I'm hoping the discerning reader made it to the point before where I wrote that I'm writing the paragraph to act as a sort of mental fog-inducing phenomenon that typically only the ones I'm talking about experience. If you made it this far I'm sorry for putting you through this, but a man can only take so many repeat performances by people who are more interested in drive-by farting than any sort of discernable discussion.

- Doc


The time when you see real thought and decision is during the party primaries. Conservative and liberal are so far apart when the general election comes you're not going to hear one side say anything positive about the other.

The fact is that compromise candidates seem to be winning less in the general elections than more extreme candidates on both sides. Energizing your base wins you more votes than the few crossover voters that might still exist. Even though it seemed impossible, politics is getting even more partisan.



How do you have the patience? you're a saint.

How can you tolerate this level of abuse? From people this disingenious?

people who are more interested in drive-by farting than any sort of discernable discussion.


How do you take the time to compose a reasonble response to that? Are you sure theyre even people and not bots? I guess they've been around long enough to be pre-bot takeover in 2016ish. But that's the scary thing. They can't be 15 year olds.

You’re obviously intelligent enough to realize the kind of people you're trying to have a conversation with.

From a mental health perspective you shouldn't allow yourself to be emotionally abused like this. You need a different support network. Let them have their safespace.

Anyway best of luck.

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ajax18 wrote:The fact is that compromise candidates seem to be winning less in the general elections than more extreme candidates on both sides. Energizing your base wins you more votes than the few crossover voters that might still exist. Even though it seemed impossible, politics is getting even more partisan.

A survey of history shows this isn't new, and it isn't a positive sign. Shared values, a willingness to compromise to find workable solutions and prosperity tend to go hand-in-hand in our history. That includes the history of western civilization generally. What you are observing is the straining of fabric of society, ajax.

I've mentioned before that we seem to be reliving the 1930s. I've read a few books recently that both brought this to my attention and have reinforced the parallels are meaningful. I'd suggest reading a book or two on the Spanish Civil War, for example, and reflect on what it has to say. I'd recommend The Battle for Spain if you need one.
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LOL

Doc writes a post about how some people can't be bothered to read a post if it's too long. The post is meta: he makes it long to demonstrate the point.

Right on cue, ajax responds to that post as though he didn't read it. It's your basic QED.

Then iwtt comes along and asks how ajax tolerates these posts... that apparently he doesn't read. That's... quite a mystery right there.

You can't make this ____ up. Nice job, Doc.
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Perfume on my Mind wrote:LOL

Doc writes a post about how some people can't be bothered to read a post if it's too long. The post is meta: he makes it long to demonstrate the point.

Right on cue, ajax responds to that post as though he didn't read it. It's your basic QED.

Then iwtt comes along and asks how ajax tolerates these posts... that apparently he doesn't read. That's... quite a mystery right there.

You can't make this ____ up. Nice job, Doc.



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iwanttotalk wrote:You’re obviously intelligent enough to realize the kind of people you're trying to have a conversation with.


Intelligent enough ... to know that he’s being called out for this display of outstanding inconsistency and illogic? -

ajax18 wrote:Bernie Sanders is probably one of the most evil and dangerous men in American politics I've seen in my lifetime.
ajax18 wrote: The fact that you hate him so much means he's doing something right.


I’d ask you to explain it ... but you’re not going to be able to.

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Hey Ajax. What do you make of this?


Schmo needs the gospel. He's in kind of a hopeless state right now.
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