Is Sean Hannity Responsible for 174 deaths?

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It's caused Russian news agencies to shift focus away from criticism of the US for killing Soleimani to defending ...

It has so caused many Dem/Libs who were mourning Soleimani to suddenly shut up about that.
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Which Libs were mourning Soleimani?

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honorentheos wrote:
It's caused Russian news agencies to shift focus away from criticism of the US for killing Soleimani to defending ...

It has so caused many Dem/Libs who were mourning Soleimani to suddenly shut up about that.


I can't think of any Democrats/Libs "mourning" Soleimani. I can think of a bunch who criticized his assassination as reckless, dangerous to US interests, and a violation of important international norms, but that's not "mourning." I can also think of a bunch of Republicans who dishonestly tried to conflate criticizing assassinating him with somehow supporting him. But, since you aren't just aping their scurrilous dishonesty, you'll have no problem naming several prominent Democrats or liberals who did this starting....now.

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honorentheos wrote:Internal protests in Iran is the leading story on Al Jazeera right now.

https://www.aljazeera.com/

It's caused Russian news agencies to shift focus away from criticism of the US for killing Soleimani to defending their ally, in part by blaming Ukraine for the accident. Western allies concerned with seeing tensions relieved have turned to calling for Iran to account for the killing of civilians. It exposed a riff between the elite Iranian Revolutionary Guard and the conventional military. It was about as bad a play as Iran could have made at a time they seemed to have won the global opinion game by not targeting US troops with their missile strikes. They were manuevering pretty well up to that, and it was a serious mistake. Giving Hannity credit for it seems...well. Yes, it's a tragedy. But in the game of thrones that is global politics it's a positive event for the US.



None of this shows a shift in public opinion. That's what I'm looking for. Since Iran isn't particularly well liked internationally and there is a reasonable basis for blaming the US's actions for what happened, I'm curious if there was the shift you surmised happened. It's entirely possible that opinion of Iran stayed about where it was while opinion of the US did the same or got worse. I'm just looking for evidence is all.

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So, reading through a lot of the chatter on the interwebz, apparently the flight out of the airport was delayed an hour and it's probable the Iranian government had a breakdown in communication between the air traffic control and the air defense command.

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:So, reading through a lot of the chatter on the interwebz, apparently the flight out of the airport was delayed an hour and it's probable the Iranian government had a breakdown in communication between the air traffic control and the air defense command.

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And some would have us believe Iran has the military and political competence capable of being a formidable force towards a WW3?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002

edit: Also see 20th and 21st century insurgencies. But I don't know why I'm responding to subgenius because he's a metaphor for an inferior force holding out against a superior one. *shrugs*
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002

edit: Also see 20th and 21st century insurgencies. But I don't know why I'm responding to subgenius because he's a metaphor for an inferior force holding out against a superior one. *shrugs*

He also seems blissfully unaware of how ‘world wars’ aren’t fought between just two countries.

Aside that, the story of the Millennium Challenge has always been one of my favorites. I’ve always admired Van Riper’s cleverness in that.

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:I guess where I’m confused is that there’s an airport RIGHT THERE. If the video is to be believed, the airplane was ascending away from the airport, which you’d totally see on radar, so I have no idea why a SAM site cdr would authorize a shot. 4/chan conspiratards are claiming there were informants on the flight who were leaving the country, but, you know, 4/chan. I guess where I’m hung up is why in the world do you shoot down a single aircraft clearly taking off from an airport?

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A civilian airliner is a big fat slow moving target with no counter-measures. If I had to guess what happened, it would be that there are more militias with shoulder-launched SAMs than there are competent operators of SAMs. Because of the number of different militias in Iraq, I would imagine there is less command and control.

So my hunch would be that an under-trained and over-enthusiastic member of some auxiliary militia group pulled the trigger. Just my guess.
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subgenius wrote:
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:So, reading through a lot of the chatter on the interwebz, apparently the flight out of the airport was delayed an hour and it's probable the Iranian government had a breakdown in communication between the air traffic control and the air defense command.

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And some would have us believe Iran has the military and political competence capable of being a formidable force towards a WW3?


The people worried about WWIII don't imagine it being Iran vs. the US. The imagine that alliance entanglements bring in more powerful nations like Russia.

I think this is an unlikely, if not impossible, scenario. Iran will not be easily conquered and held, though, and crowing about the countless lives and trillions of dollars lost on folly because it's not quite WWIII is pig-headed.

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EAllusion wrote:Has global opinion turned against them?

The majority of the world opinion that Trump is both dangerous and insane holds steady at 70%. However, if you change the wording to dangerous and narcissistic the percentage rises to 98%.
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MeDotOrg wrote:
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:I guess where I’m confused is that there’s an airport RIGHT THERE. If the video is to be believed, the airplane was ascending away from the airport, which you’d totally see on radar, so I have no idea why a SAM site cdr would authorize a shot. 4/chan conspiratards are claiming there were informants on the flight who were leaving the country, but, you know, 4/chan. I guess where I’m hung up is why in the world do you shoot down a single aircraft clearly taking off from an airport?

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A civilian airliner is a big fat slow moving target with no counter-measures. If I had to guess what happened, it would be that there are more militias with shoulder-launched SAMs than there are competent operators of SAMs. Because of the number of different militias in Iraq, I would imagine there is less command and control.

So my hunch would be that an under-trained and over-enthusiastic member of some auxiliary militia group pulled the trigger. Just my guess.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51081833

How did the Iranian admission unfold?
For three days, Iran denied reports its missiles had brought down the plane, with one spokesman accusing Western nations of "lying and engaging in psychological warfare".
But on Saturday morning, a statement read on state TV accepted the plane had been shot down.
Brig-Gen Amir Ali Hajizadeh, the Revolutionary Guards' aerospace commander, explained what happened.
He said a missile operator had acted independently and alone, mistaking the plane for a "cruise missile".
"He had 10 seconds to decide. He could have decided to strike or not to strike and under such circumstances he took the wrong decision," Gen Hajizadeh said.
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I do mourn for those poor people on that plane. I saw on some website (I can't remember which one) and it had pictures of the individuals. Man, just sad, sad stuff. I don't know what to make of it all sometimes. :/

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There was an incident from the 1991 Persian Gulf War that came to mind. It involved the HMS Glouchester shooting down an Iraqi Silkworm antiship missile with seconds to spare. The story behind it is used in discussions over split second decision making, and I suspected this incident in Iran was a mirror of that one. Sorry this is a link to some pages from a Google book, but it's a reasonable account if interested:

https://books.google.com/books?id=7f3QA ... re&f=false
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Apparently the GOP's bestie has legitimate concerns about a war in the Middle East, too:

https://www.bloombergquint.com/onweb/pu ... atastrophe

Putin was responding to a question about U.S.-Iranian tensions after the targeted killing of a Iranian general Qassem Soleimani in Iraq and the downing of a Ukrainian passenger jet near Tehran by a missile that Iran said was fired in error. “We would like to avoid major military actions,” Putin said. “If this happens, it will be a catastrophe not only for the Middle East region but for the whole


Kek. He's so stoopid. What a snowflake. What an emotional hair fire. Kek.

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moksha wrote:
EAllusion wrote:Has global opinion turned against them?

The majority of the world opinion that Trump is both dangerous and insane holds steady at 70%. However, if you change the wording to dangerous and narcissistic the percentage rises to 98%.


I'd vote for dangerous and narcissistic but could be easily convinced of insanity if he pulls another one of these knee jerk reactions. One wonders what those in charge of briefing the president are thinking now? Do we tell him everything? Where's the nuke button? Should we have Johnson placed between the President and the nuke button whenever briefings occur in the future? Why aren't the politicians impeaching him for Solemanni?
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