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 Post subject: Re: CNN settles with Sandmann
PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:44 pm 
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I know who exactly Smokey is. Smokey is a Mormon priesthood holder who lives in Utah county, but I've decided not to do anything with it, though. I just can't bring myself to doxx someone despite the nonsense he posted on this forum. The consequences for him would extend to others in a very real way, and I'm just not going to do that.

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I think you know me well enough to know I'm going to say exactly what I think. I think this doxxing business is ____ and there's no real reason for it unless someone wants to use it as leverage in discussion here and in that case, it's bad form.

____. When a poster emails me and I can SEE their name on the email, I address them in reply by their screen name. Why? Because they didn't invite me to use their IRL name.

by the way, I know exactly who you are as well and NO, I didn't go looking for it. The info was delivered to me without provocation or inquiry on my part. Don't believe me? Pop me a message and I'll deliver your identifying factors right back to you.

The truth is that I don't give two ____ about who you are or who anyone else is around here and I don't need to know those things to reply to your words on the screen when I choose to. So I don't get this doxxing ____. Like. At all.

Do you know who I am, Cam?

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:02 pm 
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The issue I have with the bulk of criticism Greta Thurnberg receives from the right is not that she receives it, but that it's malicious and stupid. Deciding to be a public advocate means opening yourself up to critique. It doesn't make every negative comment made fair game or good.

And there's just something deeply off putting about her being targeted for attacks entirely because she is an advocate for dealing with the most significant crisis facing the planet and people deluded by ignorance and pseudoscience don't like that.


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Do you know who I am, Cam?


Nope!

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:07 pm 
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How come? I'm too boring?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:08 pm 
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
I know who exactly Smokey is. Smokey is a Mormon priesthood holder who lives in Utah county, but I've decided not to do anything with it, though. I just can't bring myself to doxx someone despite the nonsense he posted on this forum. The consequences for him would extend to others in a very real way, and I'm just not going to do that.

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Doc I certainly would not like you to identify Smokey but do you know enough to say with some clarity whether he actually believes what he posted or was it all a pose for theatrical entertainment?


I think he believes it, and his little sig line was just a disclaimer in case things went sideways for him (although I have no idea how it'd be the case with friends, family, and employers).

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How come? I'm too boring? :lol:


I doubt anyone believes that. :)

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The issue I have with the bulk of criticism Greta Thurnberg receives from the right is not that she receives it, but that it's malicious and stupid. Deciding to be a public advocate means opening yourself up to critique. It doesn't make every negative comment made fair game or good.

And there's just something deeply off putting about her being targeted for attacks entirely because she is an advocate for dealing with the most significant crisis facing the planet and people deluded by ignorance and pseudoscience don't like that.


You know there's someone on Facebook who I used to think fairly highly of who has posted some of the most heinous articles about Thurnberg that I can imagine and all in the name of what--I dunno. One I recall said that because she has Aspergers Syndrome and has become a public figure that she's now a victim of child abuse. The person in question was NOT saying that in support of Thurnberg.

They were saying along the same lines as the Trump tweets.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:13 pm 
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How come? I'm too boring? :lol:


I doubt anyone believes that. :)

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Oh so you DO know who I am. If you even look like you're going to post pic of me pole dancing you better put a ring camera on that chicken house.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:28 pm 
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For anyone lacking Nick Sandmann's statement (scroll down a bit to read his letter):

https://heavy.com/news/2019/01/nicholas ... -catholic/

And here's a typical 'progressive' reaction to him:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211702240

We had a long and heated debate over the whole affair, which is probably best left to MormonDiscussions.com archives. That said, this kid getting savaged by the media was insane. THAT said, Conservatives who champion Nick Sandmann's victim status ought to remember that next time they want to get personal with, say, Greta Thumberg, who admittedly is injecting herself into an international issue. One is not the same as the other, but I think Conservatives could at least not get personal with Great Thumberg just as Liberals shouldn't have gotten personal with that kid. They're both teens that are heavily influenced by their parents and extended community.

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Greta Thurnburg is loved. She gave a speach to the UN. She also has aspergers.
Criticism of her is largely related to her age and naïvété. Not her innately evil character.

Meanwhile

This is how Angelina Jolie feels about her own natural daughter.

Angelina Jolie: 'My blonde-haired natural daughter Shiloh is the outcast in our family'

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She added: "I felt so much more for Madd, Zahara and Pax because they were survivors. "Shiloh seemed so privileged from the moment she was born. "But I'm conscious that I have to make sure I don't ignore her needs, just because I think the others are more vulnerable."


You don't find it odd that a mother hates her own natural offspring?


Not surprisingly, your first “quote” isn’t what she actually said. Nothing in the interview indicates that she hates her daughter, not even close.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:00 pm 
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Smokey and Bach being the same person does make sense.


for what it's worth I don't hear Smokey or Bach in iwtt's posts. There's plenty of dysfunctional and illiterate people in the world. They don't need to replicate themselves via sock for they are legion.

Smokes? Totally. Bach? It was tongue-in-cheek, referencing the fact the last time this thread topic came up Bach started it and used almost the exact same OP. Whether or not they are the same person is irrelevant but it's funny to me that Bach and Smokey 2.0 started identical threads.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:43 pm 
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This is known as in-group (us) and out-group (them). Social identity theory states that the in-group will discriminate against the out-group to enhance their self-image. The central hypothesis of social identity theory is that group members of an in-group will seek to find negative aspects of an out-group, thus enhancing their self-image.

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Human ethnocentrism—the tendency to view one's group as centrally important and superior to other groups—creates intergroup bias that fuels prejudice, xenophobia, and intergroup violence. Grounded in the idea that ethnocentrism also facilitates within-group trust, cooperation, and coordination, we conjecture that ethnocentrism may be modulated by brain oxytocin, a peptide shown to promote cooperation among in-group members. ....These findings call into question the view of oxytocin as an indiscriminate “love drug” or “cuddle chemical” and suggest that oxytocin has a role in the emergence of intergroup conflict and violence.

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We tend to communicate positive in-group and negative out-group behaviors more abstractly than negative in-group and positive out-group behaviors, which are communicated more explicitly.

Abstract communications tends to be persistent over time. Thus we use abstraction to imply that in-group people are more consistently good and out-group people are consistently bad.

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When problems occur, people do not like to blame themselves. They will thus actively seek scapegoats onto whom we can displace our aggression. These may be out-group individuals or even entire groups. Like bullies, we will often pick on powerless people who cannot easily resist.

Scapegoating increases when people are frustrated and seeking an outlet for their anger.

Once cast as a scapegoat it can be difficult to shake off the classification. ....
Weatherly (1961) got students frustrated and then asked them to write stories based on given pictures. Where the people in the pictures were given Jewish names, students with anti-Semitic tendencies wrote stories that included aggression towards the Jewish characters.

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The neuroscience of in-group bias

Conflicts between the two groups started with name-calling and singing derogatory songs about the out-group but soon escalated into physical violence between the two groups (Sherif et al., 1961).

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From second grade on, a small elite group spent a large portion of their time harassing two or three of the others. I was one of those two or three, though I don’t know why. In most cases when children get picked on, they aren’t good at sports or they read too much or they wear the wrong clothes or they are of a different race. But in my class, we all read too much and didn’t know how to play sports. We had also been brought up to carefully respect each other’s races. This is what was so strange about my situation. Usually, people are made outcasts because they are in some way different from the larger group. But in my class, large differences did not exist. It was as if the outcasts were invented by the group out of a need for them. Differences between us did not cause hatred; hatred caused differences between us.

The harassment was subtle. It came in the form of muffled giggles when I talked, and rolled eyes when I turned around. If I was out in the playground and approached a group of people, they often fell silent. Sometimes someone would not see me coming and I would catch the tail end of a joke at my expense.

I also have a memory of a different kind. There was another girl in our class who was perhaps even more rejected than I. She also tried harder than I did for acceptance, providing the group with ample material for jokes. One day during lunch I was sitting outside watching a basketball game. One of the popular girls in the class came up to me to show me something she said I wouldn’t want to miss. We walked to a corner of the playground where a group of three or four sat. One of them read aloud from a small book, which I was told was the girl’s diary. I sat down and, laughing till my sides hurt, heard my voice finally blend with the others. Looking back, I wonder how I could have participated in mocking this girl when I knew perfectly well what it felt like to be mocked myself. I would like to say that if I were in that situation today I would react differently, but I can’t honestly be sure. Often being accepted by others is more satisfying than being accepted by oneself, even though the satisfaction does not last. Too often our actions are determined by the moment.

Ohhh yes you are all so wonderful and intelligent. You are enlightned. Youve got it all figured out.... so long as you conform .... and if you don't! Beware! Lol.

My jokes are much funnier than yours. And by the way at least russian trolls have a sense of humor which is more than i can say for you lot.

Wake up sheeple!!!


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Oh so you DO know who I am. If you even look like you're going to post pic of me pole dancing you better put a ring camera on that chicken house.

:lol:

Pretty sure that pole dancing is a legit fitness option in most places these days, so those pics shouldn’t shock too many folks. : D


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Ohhh yes you are all so wonderful and intelligent. You are enlightned. Youve got it all figured out.... so long as you conform .... and if you don't! Beware! Lol.

My jokes are much funnier than yours. And by the way at least russian trolls have a sense of humor which is more than i can say for you lot.

Wake up sheeple!!!


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 12:48 am 
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Fiorello LaGuardia? Mamie Eisenhower? Pink?

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iwanttotalk wrote:
My jokes are much funnier than yours.

Do you have any examples? I can't remember any.

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And by the way at least russian trolls have a sense of humor which is more than i can say for you lot.

Are you trying to claim you're a Russian troll?

I thought Putin was a billionaire. Can't he afford better talent, or is he just cheap?

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Fiorello LaGuardia? Mamie Eisenhower? Pink?


Get out of my Facebook you hacker!

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Oh so you DO know who I am. If you even look like you're going to post pic of me pole dancing you better put a ring camera on that chicken house.

:lol:

Pretty sure that pole dancing is a legit fitness option in most places these days, so those pics shouldn’t shock too many folks. : D


I mean the shots from the strip club I'm moonlighting at.

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