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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:10 pm 
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Hillary called Trump voters a basket of deplorables.


More accurately, she described "about half" of Trump's support people who hold bigoted views, which she termed "deplorables." This was intended as a defense of the other half who are not. She then took a ton of flak for this in the press and immediately walked it back arguing she was mistaken to say "half" and not some smaller number. But if you look at polling, about half of Trump voters assent it extremely bigoted statements, so the initial comment probably was more or less accurate, if unpleasant to discuss. You, a literal Nazi-sympathizer, take great umbrage to the description, but you are the deplorable type of person she had in mind. We can tell how serious you are about avoiding uncivil labels in politics when you say absolutely nothing about Donald Trump labeling his opponents far worse things on a regular basis. He called Democrats "vicious, horrible people" as recently as this week. For some reason, you didn't pull out your fainting couch. Your political analysis also doesn't contend that Trump is gonna lose because he's not doing enough to appeal to Democrats when he trashes their population centers, calls them names, and generally dehumanizes them. Curious that.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:49 pm 
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Dantana wrote:
63 million Americans voted for Trump in 2016. I'd say the partisans, racists, xenophobes and SS's asshole group are an insignificant % of that.


Part of my reasoning of this is; not counting the partisans, I observe, a large part of the members of these groups tend to be blow hards. Big talkers, but too lazy to actually vote.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:56 pm 
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Partisans are the largest bloc of voters for both Democrats and Republicans. It's not a mutually exclusive category with holding racial resentments, xenophobic motivations, or sympathies with the alt-right.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:10 pm 
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63 million Americans voted for Trump in 2016. I'd say the partisans, racists, xenophobes and SS's asshole group are an insignificant % of that.

Not sure of the exact percentage (40-60%), but that group comprises what is known as "Trump's base". The rest need voter influence from the Kremlin.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:15 pm 
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EAllusion wrote:
Partisans are the largest bloc of voters for both Democrats and Republicans. It's not a mutually exclusive category with holding racial resentments, xenophobic motivations, or sympathies with the alt-right.

EAllusion, I'm not trying to make any hard assertions, just casually trying to zero in on the group my 32 year old son recently joined. The Rush and Sean indoctrinated.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:47 pm 
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I've come across a small variety of Trump voters. What drives them seems to be one or more of the following:

People who have had a hatred of all things Democrat for so long they just want to support anyone with an R after their name. I'd say 90%+ of his base has been so indoctrinated by FOX news and talk radio over the past couple of decades that simply having a Democrat out of office is considered a huge win for them. What the R guy does is easily rationalized away.

Evangelicals - abortion/ judge appointments. Nothing Trump does wrong is actually wrong because God has a plan and the end justifies the means. Probably 75% of his base.

Racists: Immigration/border wall is their primary issue. They think immigrants ruin the country by bringing in other cultures and languages they don't want to be exposed to. They also tend to think Muslims are all evil. I'd guess they represent roughly 20% of Trump's base.

White supremacists - probably less than 10% of Trump's base.

Uneducated and young. They're too young to remember much of the previous administration and they believe the Obama recovery is a product of Trump. A large percentage of Trump supporters believe this but only a small fraction of them use this one argument to justify supporting him. Less than 5% probably. They'll agree with you on all the bad things you have to say about Trump, but then say he's better than any Democrat because of the economy.


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Unfortunately a lot of young people are too young to remember just how bad communism was much less how Bernie Sanders wanted then and now to do something similar in the US.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:13 am 
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Unfortunately a lot of young people are too young to remember just how bad communism was much less how Bernie Sanders wanted then and now to do something similar in the US.

Stupidity is your hobby, isn't it?

Just because Trump is a moron doesn't mean you have to be one too. You could attempt to learn something, even if your dear leader refuses insight.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:17 am 
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Just because Trump is a moron doesn't mean you have to be one too. You could attempt to learn something, even if your dear leader refuses insight.


Just because people like Bernie have made your native country a miserable place to work doesn't mean its in your best interest to do the same thing to my native country.

What would have happened had the socialists succeeded in bringing the USA under their policies? Then neither of us would have a place to work and earn a living wage.

You should be thankful for the founding fathers beliefs in US manifest destiny. It's the reason you have a better job in this country right now. It's the reason you're here rather than your native country, Venezuela, Russia, Poland, Vietnam or anywhere else socialism has made a mess in this world. Whether he meant to or not, President Trump has helped create the superior economy you enjoy right now.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:40 pm 
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Dantana wrote:
63 million Americans voted for Trump in 2016. I'd say the partisans, racists, xenophobes and SS's asshole group are an insignificant % of that.

The other day, I walked outside my place and saw a guy wearing a shirt like this:

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So this is a thing, just in case there was any doubt.

I think there are way more whiny Trump voters than you're crediting.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:29 pm 
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President Trump has helped create the superior economy you enjoy right now.

Each time you say something like that your nose grows a bit longer.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:38 pm 
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President Trump has helped create the superior economy you enjoy right now.

Each time you say something like that your nose grows a bit longer.

In a limited sense, it's not wrong. If, by that one also imagines that a household maxing out their credit cards and a third mortgage is living a superior lifestyle to a household managing their debt-to-income ratio and building long-term, sustainable wealth.

There are a lot of people with this type of myopia, unable to understand that consequences follow actions rather than behave like instant karma. One has to remember that an surprisingly large percentage of the population viewed the great recession starting as Obama took office to be Obama's fault.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:00 pm 
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+1, Honor.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:27 pm 
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Perfume on my Mind wrote:
Dantana wrote:
63 million Americans voted for Trump in 2016. I'd say the partisans, racists, xenophobes and SS's asshole group are an insignificant % of that.

The other day, I walked outside my place and saw a guy wearing a shirt like this:

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So this is a thing, just in case there was any doubt.

I think there are way more whiny Trump voters than you're crediting.


I was raised, and raised my four boys rural. Pacific N.W. Land of 10,000 mini farms. 30 minutes to the Safeway, 10 mins to the little - one market, one tavern town. I/we land in the middle of the spectrum between hobby farmer and commercial cattleman. My field of acquaintances is commercial rancher/farmers, upper class city flee-ers, dead beat son mom's back yard camper live-ers, professional rodeo cowboys, Friends of my 29 - 35 yr old sons...include guns and 4x4s maniacs to couch sitting C.O.D. players. Whether here for a lifetime or newly come, eventually they all become borg. It's almost cultlike. Witness - 'Farmers Only dot com'.

The numbers - 9 out of 10 will claim Christian affiliation. 8 out of 10 will seldom attend church. 8 out of 10 will chuckle at a racist joke. 6 out of that 8 will then later complain to their spouse about the telling. 7 out of 10 have less than 2 years higher education. 9 out of 10 consider themselves conservative republicans. 8 out of 10 think Trump is good for the country. 7 out of 10 do not qualify for SS's category of ignorant, racist, Trump thumping assholes.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:44 pm 
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In a limited sense, it's not wrong. If, by that one also imagines that a household maxing out their credit cards and a third mortgage is living a superior lifestyle to a household managing their debt-to-income ratio and building long-term, sustainable wealth.

There are a lot of people with this type of myopia, unable to understand that consequences follow actions rather than behave like instant karma. One has to remember that an surprisingly large percentage of the population viewed the great recession starting as Obama took office to be Obama's fault.


The evidence that Trump tax cuts contributed to economic growth is rather scant. Its advocates' promised effects in the run up to those certainly have not materialized. What its critics said would happen, on the other hand, has. If those policies had an positive impact on growth, it's a small % of overall GDP growth that likely has been at least partially counterbalanced if not subsumed by Trump policies that are known to have had a minor negative impact on growth (i.e. trade wars & gov shutdown). Ajax's post is even worse than this. He's just crediting Trump for lucking into economic circumstances he inherited. The very same ones that he felt were dire when a black Democrat was President.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:57 pm 
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Economic indicators have been deccelerating for a bit and there mounting evidence we are in for a recession in a year or two. If Trump wins reelection and this happens, I'll put the odds that Ajax blames Trump for this at less than zero %. If a Democrat wins, the odds that he'll blame it on that person I'll put at north of 100%.

It's embarrassing to treat the President like they're a Fischer King, but it's even worse when it's done with partisan hypocrisy. If you're a significant shareholder, then yes Trump/Congressional Republicans have likely made your personal financial situation better, at least in the short term. But Trump is not responsible for the general economic growth patterns he inherited from the Obama years.


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