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The Whitehouse announced they would withhold 20 emails between two Trump aides discussing Ukrainian military aid.

Penguin Central has recovered bits and flecks of the emails.

Aide 1 - This high treason stuff feels strange. I hope we don't get caught.

Aide 2 - You can say that again.

1 - I hope we don't get caught.

2 - It would look terrible on our resumes.

1 - Pretty sure one of those conservative think tanks would hire us.

2 - You think so?

1 - Yeah, they would probably throw in thousands in a signing bonus for every indictment we received. We would be pretty hot properties at Liberty and Brigham Young Universities. Big profs on campus and all that.

2 - You're probably right. I doubt anyone around here would have enough integrity to blab.

1 - President T might. Heck, he might start talking and reveal that it was Putin who put him up to the whole insane high treason scheme.

1 - Got to run. One of the Trump chefs is making taco salads down in the cafeteria.
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I think it would take a fractal analysis to crack any more of these withheld emails. Best to let the arrogance of criminality speak for itself.
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There's a simple fact pattern here where the Trump admin has been repeatedly caught in serious lies designed to mislead about improper conduct the Trump admin engaged in. These lies became clear when more facts became available. At the exact same time, they are doing everything in their power to prevent more facts about what happened from seeing the light of day.

This is the fact pattern to expect when someone is innocent? I'd like to think that if anyone was being honest with themselves, the answer would obviously be no, but I also think there is a segment of the public who is blinded to that.

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EAllusion wrote:There's a simple fact pattern here where the Trump admin has been repeatedly caught in serious lies designed to mislead about improper conduct the Trump admin engaged in. These lies became clear when more facts became available. At the exact same time, they are doing everything in their power to prevent more facts about what happened from seeing the light of day.

This is the fact pattern to expect when someone is innocent? I'd like to think that if anyone was being honest with themselves, the answer would obviously be no, but I also think there is a segment of the public who is blinded to that.

Or the segment who wanted him to do what he did and want him to get away with it.

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huckelberry wrote:Or the segment who wanted him to do what he did and want him to get away with it.

Oh, there's those people too. Broadly speaking, there's people who think cheating and dishonesty is no vice when it is done with the aim to help Republicans/hurt Democrats, people who are uninformed or misinformed about what's going on, and people whose biases are so severe that they can't see even the most obvious guilt.

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Nothing Trump does is the behavior of an innocent man. You have to be in-the-tank-brain-dead to imagine Trump an innocent person. Everything he says and does screams, "I'm guilty and I don't care who knows it!" It's as obvious as daylight.

I guarantee every ____ GOP politician knows Trump is a thug (unless they are as stupid as their supporters). None of the impeachment talk is over whether he's guilty or not; that's already settled. It's all about process and politics.
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I agree that it is becoming ever more obvious that Trump is guilty of both gross incompetence and corruption. As already mentioned, even his most prominent supporters hardly even try to argue that he is innocent of wrongdoing. Anyone who still doesn't realize that is either severely impaired cognitively or as pathologically dishonest and corrupt as Trump himself. Even flat earth believers are no more irrational or delusional than Trump supporters. Certainly Trump's boss, Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong Un, Xi Jinping and other Despots around the world are delighted with what Trump has done to this country. Even Iran's leaders, however dismayed they may be with the loss of General Soleimani due to Trump, must take comfort from how severely Trump has undermined our nation's reputation, integrity and respectability around the world, even among our closest allies.

Does anyone really still believe Trump's decision to withdraw from the international Iran/Nuclear accord and impose still harder sanctions on Iran has improved the situation or enhanced U.S. Leadership and trustworthiness in the world? I can't blame Iran decision to renew efforts to develop nuclear given how insultingly Trump abandoned any pretense of honoring our end of the deal. I can't help but believe that he and his warhawk supporters deliberately hoped to goad Iran into abandoning that deal, so they could use that as an excuse to go to war against Iran.
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Iran does not have nuclear weapons. Trump feels able to assassinate a member of the highest circles of the Iranian government while he is on an official visit to another country.

Korea does have nuclear weapons. Despite his from time to time extremely belligerent language directed towards North Korea, Trump is very unlikely to assassinate a member of the highest circles of the North Korean government while he is on an official visit to another country, or anywhere else for that matter - because even he can imagine what might happen as a result.

Iranians, not being dumb, can work it out: they really, really need to get nuclear weapons as soon as they possibly can. I mean, in their position, and with the risk of Trump in the White House for another five more years, what would you do?

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Chap wrote:Iran does not have nuclear weapons. Trump feels able to assassinate a member of the highest circles of the Iranian government while he is on an official visit to another country.

Korea does have nuclear weapons. Despite his from time to time extremely belligerent language directed towards North Korea, Trump is very unlikely to assassinate a member of the highest circles of the North Korean government while he is on an official visit to another country, or anywhere else for that matter - because even he can imagine what might happen as a result.

Iranians, not being dumb, can work it out: they really, really need to get nuclear weapons as soon as they possibly can. I mean, in their position, and with the risk of Trump in the White House for another five more years, what would you do?

Exactly.

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Chap wrote:Iranians, not being dumb, can work it out: they really, really need to get nuclear weapons as soon as they possibly can. I mean, in their position, and with the risk of Trump in the White House for another five more years, what would you do?

Exactly.

And Iranians are not the only ones who can work that out. Trump, whether inadvertently or by design, because of his irrational, bullying tendencies, will probably have caused numerous signatories to the nuclear non-proliferation pact to reconsider and withdraw from that pact.

I Fear it will not be long before nearly all tin pot dictators on earth will push their nations to join the "Nuclear Club." This will hasten the day when some fanatical idiot will attempt to initiate Armageddon or the next nuclear war. History will not likely forgive Trump for his role in helping to hasten that day, though his fanatical Evangelical base probably looks forward stupidly towards that end.
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Gunnar wrote:And Iranians are not the only ones who can work that out. Trump, whether inadvertently or by design, because of his irrational, bullying tendencies, will probably have caused numerous signatories to the nuclear non-proliferation pact to reconsider and withdraw from that pact.

I really do wonder how easily the next President will be able to restore the US's reputation around the world. I think it's going to require a show of faith, like tossing Trump in prison and throwing away the key (since we likely won't Ned Stark the bastard like he deserves).
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Perfume on my Mind wrote:I really do wonder how easily the next President will be able to restore the US's reputation around the world. I think it's going to require a show of faith, like tossing Trump in prison and throwing away the key (since we likely won't Ned Stark the bastard like he deserves).

I don't expect to see that reputation restored during what remains of my lifetime. It makes me want to cry. :cry:
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The US's reputation will not be restored. A not-Trump likely will be liked for not being Trump in the same way that Obama won a Nobel for the act of not being George W. Bush, but the underlying credibility of the US led coalition of liberal democracies is smashed.

(I wonder who benefits from that...)

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moksha wrote:1 - Got to run. One of the Trump chefs is making taco salads down in the cafeteria.

The last line proves that this conversation is fake news, as the Trump White House has instructed all personnel to eschew ‘taco’ in favor of FreedomMeat Cradles.

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And Paula White says that anyone opposed to Trump is opposed to God. Now how more crazy can things get now?
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Something that gets me is there is already ample evidence in public egregious misconduct. The Republican response is a mixture of brazen lies and "So what? What are ya gonna do about it?!" Given that this is working fine for them, fighting tooth and nail to prevent more information that will produce the exact same result is interesting if nothing else. While I'm sure even more information would continue to fill in the details of a damning picture, it's not like there isn't already plenty of evidence on the table. It's like their just bitterly fighting for the capacity to blanket stonewall Congress.

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What is so frustrating to me is.... Well, paraphrasing Sethbag: "Mormonism isn't just wrong, it's obviously wrong." So, likewise, Trump isn't just a lying, narcissistic, bumbling idiot, he is obviously that. How is it possible that so many cannot see this?

I get the partisan politicians trying to safeguard their seats. I get the racist, xenophobes trying to safeguard their despicable-ness. I guess I get the religious right crew thinking Trump is actually on their team. But, what about the rest of his base? Is this attributable to Rush, Sean, Lars gas-lighting the un-der-educated, apathetic?

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Dantana wrote:I get the partisan politicians trying to safeguard their seats. I get the racist, xenophobes trying to safeguard their despicable-ness. I guess I get the religious right crew thinking Trump is actually on their team. But, what about the rest of his base? Is this attributable to Rush, Sean, Lars gas-lighting the un-der-educated, apathetic?

You can't forget that some people actually like that he's an asshole, too. It's a feature, not a bug. Some people like the fact that he annoys Democrats. They don't seem to get that he annoys Independents and some Republicans, too... basically, people who have thoughts.
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63 million Americans voted for Trump in 2016. I'd say the partisans, racists, xenophobes and SS's asshole group are an insignificant % of that. The group that is too hard to calculate is the religulous who think god appointed Trump. I opine that there is maybe 10 - 30 million Trump voters who don't belong to those sets.

My second of four sons, a perfectly normal human being, started working for an air-gas co. a few years ago. The radio is on in the warehouse all day everyday to the Rush limbaugh, Lars Larson network. The end.

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63 million Americans voted for Trump in 2016. I'd say the partisans, racists, xenophobes and SS's asshole group are an insignificant % of that.


That's an interesting view. I doubt many on this board would agree. According to Some Schmo anyone who voted for Trump is a racist just by that act alone. I'm pretty sure most on the left here would be on board with that. Even EAllusion attributes Trump's 2016 victory to support from White Supremacists. But EAllusion also called Trump's early success in the Republican primaries the Republican parties Herman Kaine moment and predicted Trump support would die off and Trump would not win the 2016 Republican nomination. Bias can blind even the keenest of minds.

Just out of curiosity Dantana, do you think people can believe in enforcing the southern border of the United States and not be racist?

Hillary called Trump voters a basket of deplorables. I don't think the Democrats have learned much from this since based on the field of far left challengers they've shown thus far. They'd do well to reach out to Trump supporters and try to win them back. But a lot of these voters want the border enforced. They want American citizens put first. They're very skeptical of socialism. To Democrats this is racism and I don't think they can or want to win back Democrats that crossed over and voted for Trump. The only way Democrats will win is through demographic changes. They're not going to get back the votes from rust belt union workers again.

I still hope Hispanic and African American minorities start to look at the economics of Trump's presidency and understand that his policies lift all people willing to work regardless of race or even ideology.
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ajax18 wrote:
63 million Americans voted for Trump in 2016. I'd say the partisans, racists, xenophobes and SS's asshole group are an insignificant % of that.


That's an interesting view. I doubt many on this board would agree. According to Some Schmo anyone who voted for Trump is a racist just by that act alone. I'm pretty sure most on the left here would be on board with that. Even EAllusion attributes Trump's 2016 victory to support from White Supremacists. But EAllusion also called Trump's early success in the Republican primaries the Republican parties Herman Kaine moment and predicted Trump support would die off and Trump would not win the 2016 Republican nomination. Bias can blind even the keenest of minds.

Just out of curiosity Dantana, do you think people can believe in enforcing the southern border of the United States and not be racist?

Hillary called Trump voters a basket of deplorables. I don't think the Democrats have learned much from this since based on the field of far left challengers they've shown thus far. They'd do well to reach out to Trump supporters and try to win them back. But a lot of these voters want the border enforced. They want American citizens put first. They're very skeptical of socialism. To Democrats this is racism and I don't think they can or want to win back Democrats that crossed over and voted for Trump. The only way Democrats will win is through demographic changes. They're not going to get back the votes from rust belt union workers again.

I still hope Hispanic and African American minorities start to look at the economics of Trump's presidency and understand that his policies lift all people willing to work regardless of race or even ideology.


Hey ajax, thanks for the dialog. I guess my political worldview would be best/ easiest defined as a less outspoken version of Doc Cam.

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Ajax is misrepresenting my comments on several fronts, as he is wont to do.

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