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https://www.christianitytoday.com/conspiracy theory/20 ... lxeHeatR88

The editorial of Christianity Today comes out against Trump. This mag started by Billy Graham is a mag that has always supporting conservative causes. Perhaps they are getting tired of folks mocking the when Trump takes on a "spiritual adviser" as Paula White.
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I read the article and think it makes a clear strong statement. Trump should be removed from office.

I know the magazine as cautious about political statements. I do not think it is always supporting conservative causes and I suspect there are conservatives who always have suspected the magazine as not being true and holy conservative.

Yet it is a conservative enough a magazine it could reach some people open to reconsidering support for Trump.

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This president has dumbed down the idea of morality in his administration. He has hired and fired a number of people who are now convicted criminals. He himself has admitted to immoral actions in business and his relationship with women, about which he remains proud. His Twitter feed alone—with its habitual string of mischaracterizations, lies, and slanders—is a near perfect example of a human being who is morally lost and confused.

Even so, for Evangelicals, Trump remains the chosen one with the launch code which will rapture them into Valhalla.
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People coming out to condemn him now... I mean, I welcome the additional voices, but it just feels so empty. They aren't saying anything that wasn't known 4 years ago.
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Perfume on my Mind wrote:People coming out to condemn him now... I mean, I welcome the additional voices, but it just feels so empty. They aren't saying anything that wasn't known 4 years ago.

And the fellow who wrote that editorial is retiring from the position in a week.

Morality, for these folks, is only as convenient as their financial self-interests allow.

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canpakes wrote:
Morality, for these folks, is only as convenient as their financial self-interests allow.

you making sounds like how poor-people talk
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subgenius wrote:
canpakes wrote:
Morality, for these folks, is only as convenient as their financial self-interests allow.

you making sounds like how poor-people talk

Are you hangin’ with the poors these days? : D

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Oh yeah, it makes total sense to vote for Trump because he would install right wing justices and isn't for abortion.

But since he is a Manchurian Candidate, there won't be any need for those right wing justices nor anyone to worry about the right and wrong of abortions.

Might as well start printing those Russian Bibles. Oh.. that's right, the Russians won't be allowing freedom of religion either when they walk right in and take over our country.

Yup, let the boat burn down as you fight over who gets to sit in the crow's nest.

Great strategy by the Evangelicals/Mormons/Catholics and their ilk.
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subgenius wrote:you making sounds like how poor-people talk

You make sound like "fire good, water bad". Need be strong like buffalo, smart like ground sloth.
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Trump has come out, declaring conspiracy theory to be a "far left magazine."

I think it's probably safe to say that if conspiracy theory is "far left" in relation to your own place on the political spectrum, you might be a smidgeon extremist.
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moksha wrote:
subgenius wrote:you making sounds like how poor-people talk

You make sound like "fire good, water bad". Need be strong like buffalo, smart like ground sloth.

glad to see it wasn't lost on you...but me maybe thinks it was.
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canpakes wrote:Are you hangin’ with the poors these days? : D

"hangin' with" isn't how i woild describe it...but I do get the occasional opportunity to spectate them...its really delightful!
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subgenius wrote:
canpakes wrote:Are you hangin’ with the poors these days? : D

"hangin' with" isn't how i woild describe it...but I do get the occasional opportunity to spectate them...its really delightful!

Lol. You certainly know your place within the Biblical pecking order.

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subgenius wrote:
canpakes wrote:Are you hangin’ with the poors these days? : D

"hangin' with" isn't how i woild describe it...but I do get the occasional opportunity to spectate them...its really delightful!


In Sociology class I learned a few things.

One thing that really stuck with me was the notion that you can't change the class you were born into. You might make enough money to raise yourself into a certain class, but you won't ever truly be one of them.

Kind of like how you might learn a foreign language, but that doesn't make you part of their culture.

Subs doesn't even have the written English language skills expected of a young lower class native speaker.

Says a lot
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subgenius wrote:
moksha wrote:You make sound like "fire good, water bad". Need be strong like buffalo, smart like ground sloth.

glad to see it wasn't lost on you...but me maybe thinks it was.

Possibly, but I think I caught the gist of it with "smart like ground sloth".
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To the many evangelicals who continue to support Mr. Trump in spite of his blackened moral record, we might say this: Remember who you are and whom you serve. Consider how your justification of Mr. Trump influences your witness to your Lord and Savior. Consider what an unbelieving world will say if you continue to brush off Mr. Trump’s immoral words and behavior in the cause of political expediency. If we don’t reverse course now, will anyone take anything we say about justice and righteousness with any seriousness for decades to come? Can we say with a straight face that abortion is a great evil that cannot be tolerated and, with the same straight face, say that the bent and broken character of our nation’s leader doesn’t really matter in the end?

Yeah, you've already lost any credibility you had. This is asking to close the barn door after the horses have left.
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Christianity Today made a moral case that Trump needs to go. He responded by proving its point.
In response to an editorial detailing his moral failings, Trump lashed out in a way that highlighted them.

President Donald Trump’s response to Christianity Today’s moral argument for his removal from office illustrated the very reason the prominent evangelical publication concluded he has to go in the first place.

The morning after the Christian magazine published an editorial written by editor-in-chief Mark Galli, titled “Trump Should Be Removed from Office,” Trump hit back with tweets that didn’t try to rebut Galli’s reasoning, but instead offered smears and explicitly transactional self-defenses.

Trump began by falsely describing Christianity Today, which has a mainstream audience, as “far left” and “very ‘progressive.’” (Although it’s true the publication has been critical of Trump for years, that’s very different from being far left.) He claimed, without evidence, that the magazine “has been doing poorly.” He took gratuitous shots at the Democratic presidential candidates, comparing their faith unfavorably with his own — and ignoring the fact that if the Senate removes him from office, Vice President Mike Pence, not a Democrat, will take his place.


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Perfume on my Mind wrote:Yeah, you've already lost any credibility you had. This is asking to close the barn door after the horses have left.

I am unsure your blame put on Christianity Today is fair. Surveys keep finding horrifying percentages of Evangelicals who love Trump. Evangelical is not a unified anything however. I would consider myself evangelical but consider the leaders closest to Trump to be too close to being heretics. I do not think the magazine is the sort which has been sold out to Trump. Brackite linked article shows a number of comments indicating that it has been in the never Trump point of view.

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Kittens_and_Jesus wrote:
In Sociology class I learned a few things.

One thing that really stuck with me was the notion that you can't change the class you were born into. You might make enough money to raise yourself into a certain class, but you won't ever truly be one of them.

Kind of like how you might learn a foreign language, but that doesn't make you part of their culture.

Subs doesn't even have the written English language skills expected of a young lower class native speaker.

Says a lot

you taking a sociology class says even more...but you using it as a feeble appeal to authority says less.
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Subgenius is there any part of your brain that has empathy for anyone. I suppose you will jump for joy at this news https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08 ... JaWyin_v2I

You have such an obsession with the left you would find policies promoted here in Australia by right of center politics as socialism.
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The 10 poorest states are red states so why not screw them some more. I think cruelty is part of Trump's DNA.
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