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 Post subject: Re: The disintegration of American democracy thread
PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:47 pm 
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...Ludwigm has been known to browse this board occasionally. Shout out to Ludwigm my colleague in obliqueness. May the tokay, women, and polka be with you!

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:53 pm 
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I saved this thread for my back pocket to talk about how our democracy is falling apart sometime around the impeachment trial and the subsequent developments afterwards. I think it is quite likely American democracy is disintegrating, though this is a stepwise process that is hard to know exactly where you are when you are the middle of it. It's so much easier to see when it's happening in some other nation. We've got some upcoming events that should make things more clear.

I just peeked in now. I didn't expect the thread to go where it has gone.


American democracy began falling apart since Ronald Reagan. Donald Trump is just the symptom, not the problem.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:06 pm 
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Some here may also remember there were other posters around the same time challenging Shades on similar but not exactly the same issue. Shades was against nudity in art in ways reminiscent of BYU or the LDS church but it is what it is. It got zeezrom put on queue. MrStak had his stone penis avatar as part of the protest. If anything, Shades seems to have been consistently unwilling to give to anyone on the issue or care what they thought. So.

This is essentially what is behind the hostility between the two. It went both ways, too. The board lost out for it, and as the board proprietor I tend to think it is up to Shades to recognize when he is the key to resolving such hostilities. But I wouldn't pretend that ludwigm did nothing or that Shades was completely irrational.

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:lol: But msJack’s avatar that looked like a wax candle penis was up for a very long time. Iirc, she voluntarily changed it. Did her avatar not reach the threshold of actionable offense?


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:26 pm 
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But msJack’s avatar that looked like a wax candle penis was up for a very long time. Iirc, she voluntarily changed it. Did her avatar not reach the threshold of actionable offense?

I didn't notice it.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:16 pm 
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But msJack’s avatar that looked like a wax candle penis was up for a very long time. Iirc, she voluntarily changed it. Did her avatar not reach the threshold of actionable offense?

I didn't notice it.
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[Link to image : http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a150/ ... hmf2xk.png ]

Why? What do you think it looks like?

You're better than me. I thought it was a severed penis mounted atop a lily pad.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:21 pm 
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Did she use that as her avatar?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:24 pm 
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Dr. Shades wrote:
Did she use that as her avatar?
:rolleyes: the post you were responding to:
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Do I just have a dirty mind??? questioning MsJack's avatar.

It's a Five Nights at Freddy's cupcake. My daughter made it.

[link to image: http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a150/ ... hmf2xk.png. ]

Why? What do you think it looks like?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:18 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:11 pm 
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Dear Dr. Shades,

I am writing to ask you a question. Kemosabe, do remember when the board was fun? Yeah, me too.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:29 pm 
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All that was simply because I know how message board users operate: "When given an inch, take a yard." When I said that true art (as opposed to ludwigm's cartoon rape scenes) of the kind that would hang in the Louvre could be posted, the very first thing someone did was post a painting of a woman's spread-eagled vulva. So, since I want this site to be 100% safe for work, I had to reluctantly do what needed to be done.

In your estimation, the lady parts showing in Courbet's masterpiece, L'Origine du monde, are NSFW, but Smokey's vomitus below is. I don't get it, Shades. I'd probably have judged it the other way around.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:09 pm 
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In your estimation, the lady parts showing in Courbet's masterpiece, L'Origine du monde, are not NSFW, but Smokey's vomitus below is. I don't get it, Shades.

BYU would simply place a cutout of a pioneer dress over the L'Origine du monde. Smokey's anti-Jewish illustration was not fit for either a work environment or a non-hatemonger message board environment.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:18 am 
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Dr. Shades wrote:
All that was simply because I know how message board users operate: "When given an inch, take a yard." When I said that true art (as opposed to ludwigm's cartoon rape scenes) of the kind that would hang in the Louvre could be posted, the very first thing someone did was post a painting of a woman's spread-eagled vulva. So, since I want this site to be 100% safe for work, I had to reluctantly do what needed to be done.

In your estimation, the lady parts showing in Courbet's masterpiece, L'Origine du monde, are NSFW, but Smokey's vomitus below is. I don't get it, Shades. I'd probably have judged it the other way around.

I agree that "Smokey's vomitus" is even more obscene than a painting of a woman's spread-eagled vulva. How did someone who claims to be a faithful, believing Latter-Day-Saint acquire such obscenely vile and hateful bigotry against Jews? If holding and publicly advocating such an extremely vile and hateful bigotry in one's heart is not an excommunicable offense, it ought to be! I doubt that LDS general authorities would disagree with that! If I am not mistaken, people have actually been excommunicated for holding and expressing less innocuous views than that!

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:40 am 
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Consider this hypothetical. What if you were a female poster and ludwigm happened to send you an image via private messages for no good reason of Scottish men in kilts sitting in chairs where one visibly had no underclothing on and also cartoonish nudes? How do you think that might go over with you?

Would you think it was funny? Uncalled for? Would you be shocked by that? Would you feel harassed? Would you consider it sharing art appreciation?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:56 am 
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Consider this hypothetical. What if you were a female poster and ludwigm happened to send you an image via private messages for no good reason of Scottish men in kilts sitting in chairs where one visibly had no underclothing on and also cartoonish nudes? How do you think that might go over with you?

Would you think it was funny? Uncalled for? Would you be shocked by that? Would you feel harassed? Would you consider it sharing art appreciation?


I would absolutely feel harassed. Hell, I sort of felt harassed when ludwigm posted that image openly on the board. I didn't feel as put upon, however, as I do with Smokey's cut-and-paste anti-Semitic and homophobic graphics and prose. His Jew-baiting is race pornography of the worst kind.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:37 pm 
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Dr Shades has made the decision that this forum should exclude any content which is NSFW 'Not Safe For Work', meaning any content, particularly visual content, which might cause embarrassment, or worse, if a colleague or a supervisor sees it on your screen at work.

That is a decision he has a right to make: Spirit Prison is there for people who want to post NSFW content, so free expression is still available. Now most people accept that displaying realistic pictures of male or female genitalia, or of sexual activity, would fall into the 'not safe' category. Dr Shades certainly does. So this forum is not the place for that.

But, Dr Shades - I address you directly - I think that in places where I have worked I would have encountered very considerable problems if a colleague or supervisor had seen any of the horrible antisemitic images of hook-nosed semi-demonic Jews that Smokey habitually puts on our screens. As a boss I would certainly give a clear warning to any subordinate that any repetition might have serious consequences, as would hateful caricatures of any other group that has been a historical victim of persecution.

So please will you be consistent, and let Smokey know that while he is free to post his images on this board, this forum is not the place to do that?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:15 pm 
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Dr Shades has made the decision that this forum should exclude any content which is NSFW 'Not Safe For Work', meaning any content, particularly visual content, which might cause embarrassment, or worse, if a colleague or a supervisor sees it on your screen at work.

That is a decision he has a right to make: Spirit Prison is there for people who want to post NSFW content, so free expression is still available. Now most people accept that displaying realistic pictures of male or female genitalia, or of sexual activity, would fall into the 'not safe' category. Dr Shades certainly does. So this forum is not the place for that.

But, Dr Shades - I address you directly - I think that in places where I have worked I would have encountered very considerable problems if a colleague or supervisor had seen any of the horrible antisemitic images of hook-nosed semi-demonic Jews that Smokey habitually puts on our screens. As a boss I would certainly give a clear warning to any subordinate that any repetition might have serious consequences, as would hateful caricatures of any other group that has been a historical victim of persecution.

So please will you be consistent, and let Smokey know that while he is free to post his images on this board, this forum is not the place to do that?

Seconded. Absolutely.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:16 pm 
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Dr Shades has made the decision that this forum should exclude any content which is NSFW 'Not Safe For Work', meaning any content, particularly visual content, which might cause embarrassment, or worse, if a colleague or a supervisor sees it on your screen at work.

That is a decision he has a right to make: Spirit Prison is there for people who want to post NSFW content, so free expression is still available. Now most people accept that displaying realistic pictures of male or female genitalia, or of sexual activity, would fall into the 'not safe' category. Dr Shades certainly does. So this forum is not the place for that.

But, Dr Shades - I address you directly - I think that in places where I have worked I would have encountered very considerable problems if a colleague or supervisor had seen any of the horrible antisemitic images of hook-nosed semi-demonic Jews that Smokey habitually puts on our screens. As a boss I would certainly give a clear warning to any subordinate that any repetition might have serious consequences, as would hateful caricatures of any other group that has been a historical victim of persecution.

So please will you be consistent, and let Smokey know that while he is free to post his images on this board, this forum is not the place to do that?

Seconded. Absolutely.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:20 pm 
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I'm not gonna lie. I don't know why those huge images posted by the Smokes were never addressed. I thought of reporting them at one point but I didn't.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 2:20 pm 
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Please shut down discussion that might reflect poorly on Jews, Dr.Shades.

It is worse than pornography.

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NPC Smokey - take a break from the neo-Nazi hatred and have some Thanksgiving food, already.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 3:27 pm 
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Please shut down discussion that might reflect poorly on Jews, Dr.Shades.

It is worse than pornography.

By the way, I steal from my employer.

The issue isn't discussion. It's images. And I agree with chap's suggestion that they belong in the spirit prison forum.

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