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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:51 pm 
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So what, subby? How does the fact (if true) that none of Trump's accusers have committed suicide in any way weaken the still exponentially growing strength of the case for concluding that Trump is a Moron? Talk about grasping at straws!

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:10 pm 
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So what, subby? How does the fact (if true) that none of Trump's accusers have committed suicide in any way weaken the still exponentially growing strength of the case for concluding that Trump is a Moron? Talk about grasping at straws!


He's claiming that Vince Foster was killed by the Clinton's because his both a troll and an idiot.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:04 pm 
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More Trumpian crimes uncovered via Rex Tillerson:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yfd9x6YVVfQ

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When Sondland said he was anxious to testify to Congress I suspected he was a Trump pawn and would lie. He did, after all, get his position only because he gave Trump $1 million prior to his inauguration.

Trump Donor Gordon Sondland Claims He Was ‘Disappointed’ By President’s Ukraine Dealings


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Mulanvey has updated the Whitehouse position to, “Yeah we did it. So what? Screw you.” If people adopting prior defenses had integrity, which they do not, this might be embarrassing for them.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:26 pm 
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Icarus wrote:
When Sondland said he was anxious to testify to Congress I suspected he was a Trump pawn and would lie. He did, after all, get his position only because he gave Trump $1 million prior to his inauguration.

Trump Donor Gordon Sondland Claims He Was ‘Disappointed’ By President’s Ukraine Dealings
He may have thrown Giuliani and Trump under the bus but his attempt to play ignorant to their objective is ridiculous. Aaron Blake over at Washington Post breaks it down better than I can:
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  • On May 1, the New York Times reported on questions about Hunter Biden’s work in Ukraine and noted, “The Trump team’s efforts to draw attention to the Bidens’ work in Ukraine … has been led partly by Rudolph W. Giuliani.”
  • By May 7, Bloomberg News cast doubt on a central premise of the Times’s reporting: that then-Vice President Joe Biden’s efforts to push out Ukraine’s top prosecutor could be viewed as benefiting his son’s company.
  • On May 9, Giuliani told the Times that he was traveling to Ukraine to explicitly push for two specific investigations: one involving the origins of the 2016 Russia investigation, and the other involving the Bidens. (These are the same ones that would come up on Trump’s July 25 call with Zelensky.) And Giuliani was upfront about the political nature of his trip. “There’s nothing illegal about it,” he said. “Somebody could say it’s improper. … I’m going to give them reasons they shouldn’t stop [investigating], because that information will be very, very helpful to my client and may turn out to be helpful to my government.”
  • On May 11, Giuliani canceled the trip amid an outcry.
  • On May 19, Trump explicitly pointed to potential wrongdoing by the Bidens. “Biden — he calls them and says, ‘Don’t you dare persecute, if you don’t fire this prosecutor’ — the prosecutor was after his son,” Trump said. “Then he said, ‘If you fire the prosecutor, you’ll be okay. And if you don’t fire the prosecutor, 'We’re not giving you $2 billion in loan guarantees,’ or whatever he was supposed to give. Can you imagine if I did that?”
So according to Sondland, despite all of that, as of May 23 he “did not understand … that Mr. Giuliani’s agenda might have also included an effort to prompt the Ukrainians to investigate Vice President Biden or his son.” He even says Giuliani mentioned the Ukrainian company that employed Hunter Biden, Burisma Holdings, in August, but “I did not know until more recent press reports that Hunter Biden was on the board of Burisma.”

All I can say to that is :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I suppose I should just be happy that some people are starting to turn but I'm also not looking for the likely scenario that if Trump goes down his previous supporters will act shocked at the corruption and pretend they were always against it.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:08 pm 
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Not that it’ll matter, and not that it could possibly have any impact on our board Trump supporters, but

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here's the moment Mick Mulvaney admitted that there was a quid-pro-quo involved in withholding Ukraine aid. He says they held up military aid because Trump wanted Ukraine to investigate the "DNC server."


https://mobile.twitter.com/RVAwonk/stat ... 0978508809

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:24 pm 
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When the White House first released the transcript of the Zelinsky/Trump phone call, a lot of Republicans retreated to the hill of "Well, there was no specific quid pro quo". It will be curious to see what the next "line in the sand" will be for the GOP.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:07 pm 
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Not that it’ll matter, and not that it could possibly have any impact on our board Trump supporters, but

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here's the moment Mick Mulvaney admitted that there was a quid-pro-quo involved in withholding Ukraine aid. He says they held up military aid because Trump wanted Ukraine to investigate the "DNC server."


https://mobile.twitter.com/RVAwonk/stat ... 0978508809

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:29 pm 
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subgenius wrote:
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
... here's the moment Mick Mulvaney admitted that there was a quid-pro-quo involved in withholding Ukraine aid. He says they held up military aid because Trump wanted Ukraine to investigate the "DNC server."

https://mobile.twitter.com/RVAwonk/stat ... 0978508809

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big fan of hearsay ain't ya

From Fox News, so you’re contractually obligated to believe it:

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Mulvaney added: “Did [Trump] also mention to me, in the past, the corruption related to the DNC server? Absolutely. No question about that. But that’s it. And that’s why we held up the money ... The look back to what happened in 2016 certainly was part of the thing that he was worried about in corruption with that nation. And that is absolutely appropriate.”


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mulvan ... id-pro-quo


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:34 pm 
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He was bald and smelled of the Caribbean sea.

Asked why he loved Trump so,

He nodded and smiled just so,

“I suck cock on the down low.”

Taken aback, I clutched my pearls!

What? Why? Why would you say such a thing

I inquired ashrill in voice.

A small groan left his lips

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“Why I suck dick with glee, Doc CamNC,

And live to troll, because that’s how

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So, dear reader, what does one say,

to the man who lulz and is ConservoGay?

To the cockhungry Southerner who insists

all is hearsay?

Why not much I suppose.

To a man who believes facts are lame

and lies are game,

Who loves rapists, thieves, welchers, liars, all acceptable Commanders in Chief.

What do you say to man, who barely qualifies as such?

Well, not much.

Not much.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:45 pm 
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EAllusion wrote:
Mulanvey has updated the Whitehouse position to, “Yeah we did it. So what? Screw you.” If people adopting prior defenses had integrity, which they do not, this might be embarrassing for them.

Mulvaney knows that no matter the crime, Trump's followers will offer a lame excuse or seek to attack someone else as part of a lizard-brained form of denial.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:00 am 
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moksha wrote:
EAllusion wrote:
Mulanvey has updated the Whitehouse position to, “Yeah we did it. So what? Screw you.” If people adopting prior defenses had integrity, which they do not, this might be embarrassing for them.

Mulvaney knows that no matter the crime, Trump's followers will offer a lame excuse or seek to attack someone else as part of a lizard-brained form of denial.

And Dem/Libs don't actually need a crime to be committed in order to accuse Trump of committing a crime.
There ya go...happy now?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:36 am 
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And Dem/Libs don't actually need a crime to be committed in order to accuse Trump of committing a crime.
There ya go...happy now?

Maybe folks are just mimicking the example of your own criteria regarding Democrats over the years.

But Trump scheduling the G7 at his Doral resort, as example, gets us a lot closer than any of your past criteria. As does his request for foreign governments to concoct ‘corruption’ claims against other folks, for his own political gain. ; )


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:59 am 
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EAllusion wrote:
Mulanvey has updated the Whitehouse position to, “Yeah we did it. So what? Screw you.” If people adopting prior defenses had integrity, which they do not, this might be embarrassing for them.


Well now he claims he never said that and the media is misconstruing what he said.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:04 am 
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And Dem/Libs don't actually need a crime to be committed in order to accuse Trump of committing a crime.
There ya go...happy now?

Maybe folks are just mimicking the example of your own criteria regarding Democrats over the years.

Sooo, you're validating that criteria? ok, seems legit.


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But Trump scheduling the G7 at his Doral resort, as example, gets us a lot closer than any of your past criteria.

how so? Secret Service selected location from among several possible locations. Ergo, Trump didn't schedule, but perhaps i haven't seen the evidence you oresume to have.

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As does his request for foreign governments to concoct ‘corruption’ claims against other folks, for his own political gain. ; )

Yep, that video of Biden seems like it was staged by Trump, you have some sound footing here, for sure.
But youve obviously taken the high road of just believing what you need to believe, because ...TDS.
Who cares what George Kent sez, much better to rely upon hearsay behind closed doors.

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subgenius wrote:
Secret Service selected location from among several possible locations. Ergo, Trump didn't schedule, but perhaps i haven't seen the evidence you oresume to have.


Trump was pimping his resort for the G7 back in August: https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1165 ... 12353?s=20


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:21 am 
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subgenius wrote:
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Maybe folks are just mimicking the example of your own criteria regarding Democrats over the years.

Sooo, you're validating that criteria? ok, seems legit.

I neither validate it, nor not. And you’re the fellow taking issue with it.


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But Trump scheduling the G7 at his Doral resort, as example, gets us a lot closer than any of your past criteria.

how so? Secret Service selected location from among several possible locations. Ergo, Trump didn't schedule, but perhaps i haven't seen the evidence you oresume to have.

Then you’ll assert absolutely pure coincidence that the summit will be scheduled at a resort owned by the President. That’s your prerogative. You should stick with that defense.


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As does his request for foreign governments to concoct ‘corruption’ claims against other folks, for his own political gain. ; )

Yep, that video of Biden seems like it was staged by Trump, you have some sound footing here, for sure.

Hey, you still got nothin’ here, aside from Trump ‘looking for corruption’ in only one strangely specific situation, where it doesn’t exist, hoping that a foreign government will concoct some in exchange for aid, and against a political rival.

Another amazing coincidence. ; )


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:30 pm 
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Bill Taylor drops a bomb:

"Amb. Sondland told me that President Trump had told him that he wants President [Volodymyr] Zelensky to state publicly that Ukraine will investigate Burisma and alleged Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election."

Check, and mate.

But tomorrow the news will be all about Gabbard and Hillary.... again.


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I am guessing the house will move to send an Impeachment Resolution to the senate shortly.


The senate will be interesting - see if old politicians will put values above party.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 3:32 pm 
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Bill Taylor drops a bomb:

"Amb. Sondland told me that President Trump had told him that he wants President [Volodymyr] Zelensky to state publicly that Ukraine will investigate Burisma and alleged Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election."

Check, and mate.

But tomorrow the news will be all about Gabbard and Hillary.... again.


Download the PDF of Ambassador William B. Taylor's opening statement here:

https://games-cdn.washingtonpost.com/no ... 714783.pdf

The whole document is a multi-barrelled smoking gun showing the President's grossly improper use of his powers for personal political ends, with no regard for the national interests of the US or (as usual) of a US ally, and to the dismay of the career diplomats who watch this happening and see how disgraceful and damaging for the US Trump's behaviour is.

But here are some extracts (I have added the bold emphasis; I have OCRd the PDF and have not corrected all the resultant glitches):

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Opening Statement of Ambassador William B. Taylor - October 22, 2019
Mr. Chairman, I appreciate the opportunity to appear today to provide my
perspective on the events that are the subject of the Committees' inquiry. My sole
purpose is to provide the Committees with my views about the strategic
importance of Ukraine to the United States as well as additional information about
the incidents in question.

I have dedicated my life to serving U.S. interests at home and abroad in both
military and civilian roles. My background and experience are nonpartisan and I
have been honored to serve under every administration, Republican and
Democratic, since 1985.

For 50 years, I have served the country, starting as a cadet at West Point, then as an
infantry officer for six years, including with the 101' Airborne Division in
Vietnam; then at the Department of Energy; then as a member of a Senate staff;
then at NATO; then with the State Depaiiment here and abroadin Afghanistan,
Iraq, Jerusalem, and Ukraine; and more recently, as Executive Vice President of
the nonpartisan United States Institute of Peace.

While I have served in many places and in different capacities, I have a particular
interest in and respect for the importance of our country's relationship with
Ukraine. Our national security demands that this relationship remain strong.
However, in August and September of this year, I became increasingly concerned
that our relationship with Ukraine was being fundamentally undermined by an
irregular, informal channel of U.S. policy-making and by the withholding of vital
security assistance for domestic political reasons. I hope my remarks today will
help the Committees understand why I believed that to be the case.
At the outset, I would like to convey several key points. First, Ukraine is a
strategic partner of the United States, important for the security of our country as
well as Europe. Second, Ukraine is, right at this momentwhile we sit in this
roomand for the last five years, under armed attack from Russia. Third, the
security assistance we provide is crucial to Ukraine's defense against Russian
aggression, and, more importantly, sends a signal to Ukrainiansand Russians
that we are Ukraine's reliable strategic partner. And finally, as the Committees are
now aware, I said on September 9 in a message to Ambassador Gordon Sondland
that withholding security assistance in exchange for help with a domestic political
campaign in the United States would be "crazy." I believed that then, and I still
believe that.


Pages 10-11:

On September 1, just three days after my cable to Secretary Pompeo, President
Zelenskyy met Vice President Pence at a bilateral meeting in Warsaw. President
Trump had planned to travel to Warsaw but at the last minute had cancelled
because of Hurricane Dorian. Just hours before the Pence-Zelenskyy meeting, I
contacted Mr. Danyliuk to let him know that the delay of U.S. security assistance
was an "all or nothing" proposition, in the sense that if the White House did not lift
the hold prior to the end of the fiscal year (September 30), the funds would expire
and Ukraine would receive nothing. I was hopeful that at the bilateral meeting or
shortly thereafter, the White House would lift the hold, but this was not to be.
Indeed, I received a readout of the Pence-Zelenskyy meeting over the phone from
Mr. Morrison, during which he told me President Zelenskyy had opened the
meeting by asking the Vice President about security cooperation. The Vice
President did not respond substantively, but said that he would talk to President
Trump that night. The Vice President did say that President Trump wanted the
Europeans to do more to support Ukraine and that he wanted the Ukrainians to do
more to fight corruption.

During this same phone call I had with Mr. Morrison, he went on to describe a
conversation Ambassador Sondland had with Mr. Yermak at Warsaw.
Ambassador Sondland told Mr. Yermak that the security assistance money would
not come until President Zelenskyy committed to pursue the Burisma investigation.
I was alarmed by what Mr. Morrison told me about the Sondland-Yermak

conversation. This was the first time I had heard that the security assistancenot
just the White House meetingwas conditioned on the investigations.
Very concerned, on that same day I sent Ambassador Sondland a text message
asking if "we [are] now saying that security assistance and [a] White House meeting are
conditioned on investigations?" Ambassador Sondland responded asking me to
call him, which I did. During that phone call, Ambassador Sondland told me that
President Trump had told him that he wants President Zelenskyy to state publicly
that Ukraine will investigate Burisma and alleged Ukrainian interference in the
2016 U.S. election.

Ambassador Sondland also told me that he now recognized that he had made a
mistake by earlier telling the Ukrainian officials to whom he spoke that a White
House meeting with President Zelenskyy was dependent on a public announcement
of investigationsin fact, Ambassador Sondland said, "everything" was dependent
on such an announcement, including security assistance. He said that President
Trump wanted President Zelenskyy "in a public box" by making a public statement
about ordering such investigations.

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