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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:02 am 
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The US has by far the best temperature data set in the world. Most of the stations in the US Historical Climatology Network have long term coherent data, This is what the raw temperature data looks like- before NOAA starts tampering with it.


These are all the Raw Data sets for the last 150 years from when tracking started (depending area) in the U.S.

You will notice some things...
First, you will see a small # have slight upward trends and a small # have slight downward trends.
But what you will see most of all, is that near ALL show a trend of the temperatures going UP and DOWN at essentially the SAME levels, that there is NO "increase" in Temperatures occurring over the period we have data.

The Leftists "scientists" lie to you with their "final data" by doing a few things off the top of my head.
- Erasing the Medieval Warm Period
- Erasing the 1940's Warm Period
- Erasing the Little Ice Age
- Erasing that we are actually in a LONG 1,000's of years downward cooling period (it's why most scientists were saying we were going to have an ice age 40 years ago, but once more Leftists started getting into science, they started manipulating it per their politics, of course the ice age claim was also a false one, but at least it was "closer" to reality)
- "Averaging" world data where there is no data.
- Ignoring the better Satellite World data and Ice Cores.
- Ignoring the Sun's activity during the warming periods (matches perfectly the earths warming periods)
- Ignoring that when you zoom into the years, C02 increases actually FOLLOW Warming. It's only by showing "larger" time spans does it seem like warming follows C02 or happens at the same time.

Little science fact... The reason C02 follows primarily follows Warming is because with warming you get more plant growth, more plant growth means they give off more C02. Of course, plants absorb a lot of C02 also, but while they absorb more C02 during the day and release not as much C02 during the day, they release more C02 at night than absorbing of C02 (basically it's just like breathing).

You are being lied to.

This map shows you the Data Recording Stations around the world.
So you can see how the U.S. Data compares to the world data.
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UPDATE:

The BEST proof of the Data... all in one pic.

Canada's ALL 45 MILLION + Daily Temperature Max Raw Data Measurements.
This picture clearly shows that there is ZERO "Warming" occurring from 1850 to now.

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By the way, note how this graph shows the Warming of the 1940's, the famous "dust bowl" which, which we ALL know there was significant Warming during that period, the period the so-called "reputable climate scientists" have ELIMINATED from their recent manipulations/charts, in order to further deceive.
Note, there has been ZERO "Warming" uptick since then.


If Warming was real, we would see it in the data. It's not there.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:41 am 
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As it becomes more and more obvious that the planet is warming and the effects of continued warming threaten human civilization, the deniers become increasingly unhinged and divorced from reality. Expect this to continue.

ETA: Here’s an article that discusses the actual adjustments and their effects. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.carbon ... ecords/amp Surprise — the effect of the adjustments has little effect on global temperature change.

And another, that shows why US data requires more adjustment than other data, meaning faqs is cherry picking again.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2016/01 ... ture-data/

It’s not like finding the actual facts is hard. It just requires wanting to find the actual facts.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:10 pm 
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... C02 follows primarily follows warming ...

Especially when fossil fuels are ‘warmed’ to the point of combustion. ; )


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:22 pm 
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Little science fact... The reason C02 follows primarily follows Warming is because with warming you get more plant growth, more plant growth means they give off more C02. Of course, plants absorb a lot of C02 also, but while they absorb more C02 during the day and release not as much C02 during the day, they release more C02 at night than absorbing of C02 (basically it's just like breathing).

You are being lied to.

I was curious about this little proposal. What I found repeated in various places was that with sunlight co2 is absorbed releasing oxygen while at night with no sunlight to fuel this process some c02 is released in a respiration process. About half the amount of c02 absorbed is released which means more plants, less c02 in the atmosphere.

It was also noted that over time that decrease is further minimized by dead plants decaying and as a result much of the absorbed c02 is slowly released. That would still mean more plants mean less co2 in the atmosphere but the difference is less than if this is not taken into account.

https://.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-18/pla ... ra/9163858


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 2:00 pm 
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Little science fact... The reason C02 follows primarily follows Warming is because with warming you get more plant growth, more plant growth means they give off more C02. Of course, plants absorb a lot of C02 also, but while they absorb more C02 during the day and release not as much C02 during the day, they release more C02 at night than absorbing of C02 (basically it's just like breathing).

You are being lied to.

I was curious about this little proposal. What I found repeated in various places was that with sunlight co2 is absorbed releasing oxygen while at night with no sunlight to fuel this process some c02 is released in a respiration process. About half the amount of c02 absorbed is released which means more plants, less c02 in the atmosphere.

It was also noted that over time that decrease is further minimized by dead plants decaying and as a result much of the absorbed c02 is slowly released. That would still mean more plants mean less co2 in the atmosphere but the difference is less than if this is not taken into account.

https://.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-18/pla ... ra/9163858


Silly me. I thought the fact that plants both photosynthesize and respire was basic high school biology. What should also be basic biology is that plants generate less CO2 through respiration than they absorb CO2 through photosynthesis. Faqs's ravings are, not surprisingly, exactly backwards. That's why he claims that biologists have been lying to us (since before climate change was even a thing) and you should trust some guy on youtube.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... 60nJr2llSm

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 2:09 pm 
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For an actual scientific explanation of why, historically, CO2 increases at the end of ice ages followed temperature increases, see https://skepticalscience.com/co2-lags-temperature.htm

What's changed this time around is that we have massive amounts of CO2 being released into the atmosphere by humans. Faqs' ravings, in effect, deny that feedback can exist.

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I’m reminded of a certain politician’s penchant for proclaiming “did you know…” or “not many people know this…” right after he learns something basic for the first time, but despite having just learned it; still manages to bungle it.

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Plants produce less oxygen at night through photosynthesis? Is this part of the leftist rotational conspiracy?!!!

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Plants produce less oxygen at night through photosynthesis? Is this part of the leftist rotational conspiracy?!!!


Yep. We own physics and biology dontcha know.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:01 pm 
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What's changed this time around is that we have massive amounts of CO2 being released into the atmosphere by humans. Faqs' ravings, in effect, deny that feedback can exist.

Thank you.

faqs has yet to be able to explain how combusting nearly 95 million barrels of concentrated hydrocarbon-rich fluid fuels and over 20 million tons of coal - per day - will have absolutely no effect on the environment or CO2 levels, especially considering how long it took to originally sequester this material.

faqs has been lied to, and his pride drives him to knowingly lie to us.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:02 pm 
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Let's see, who should I believe? Actual climate scientists who spend their careers researching and studying this stuff, or ldsfaqs who thinks he has overturned a 150 year old scientific theory by watching a Tony Heller youtube video. Tough choice.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:47 pm 
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The BEST proof of the Data... all in one pic.

Canada's ALL 45 MILLION + Daily Temperature Max Raw Data Measurements.
This picture clearly shows that there is ZERO "Warming" occurring from 1850 to now.

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By the way, note how this graph shows the Warming of the 1940's, the famous "dust bowl" which, which we ALL know there was significant Warming during that period, the period the so-called "reputable climate scientists" have ELIMINATED from their recent manipulations/charts, in order to further deceive.
Note, there has been ZERO "Warming" uptick since then.


If Warming was real, we would see it in the data. It's not there.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:52 pm 
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canpakes wrote:
faqs has been lied to, and his pride drives him to knowingly lie to us.

DarkHelmet wrote:
Let's see, who should I believe? Actual climate scientists who spend their careers researching and studying this stuff, or ldsfaqs who thinks he has overturned a 150 year old scientific theory by watching a Tony Heller youtube video. Tough choice.


So, you're both saying ALL the RAW DATA set's from U.S. and Canada Temperature Maximums which are the pure an unadultered facts, are "Lies"?

This is the raw data, no manipulation. There is no "cherry-picking" here.
You can either believe the actual data, or the propaganda which results AFTER the leftist "scientists" have tampered with it in order to fit their Leftist Agenda.

I choose to believe the actual truth, sorry. Look with your OWN EYES and stop believing the lies you simply accept because of an "appeal to authority".
Guess what, there are PLENTY of Climate Scientists and otherwise on the Right who don't believe the lies your "scientists" and activists put out. Somebody is lying, and it's not us.

Ask yourselves, who has the "skin" in the game? Who's AGENDA is crazy Environmentalism?
Ask yourselves, what is the Left willing to do for their over-board Environmentalism?
- Green New Deal, I can go on and on the MASSIVE burden, taxes, etc. placed onto societies.
We already know the Left is willing to lie about anything, be it calling Trump and half the country "Racist", the Kavanaugh Hearing, etc.

I mean, let's be real here... You actually think Leftist "scientists" aren't willing to lie, or at minimum willfully selective of the facts in order to support their agenda?
Anyway, that's an opinion I've gained by studying this issue, seeing the full facts. You don't have to believe me:

.... Just believe your OWN Eyes above. That's pure fact. Period.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:40 pm 
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ldsfaqs wrote:
This picture clearly shows that there is ZERO "Warming" occurring from 1850 to now.


What's your source for that image? It just looks like something that was taken from any display device, and pasted into graph.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:59 pm 
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
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This picture clearly shows that there is ZERO "Warming" occurring from 1850 to now.


What's your source for that image? It just looks like something that was taken from any display device, and pasted into graph.

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The raw data sets are freely available for anyone to download, and for those who have such programs to compile it and show it in chart form.
Where I got this image is from if from the same individual in the link above in my OP.

He posted another similar video for Canada's Data Sets (l above linked the US video of them).
by the way, the video shows ALL Canada's data sets, so he didn't "make up" the first image that shows them all together that I posted here.
You can watch the video yourself and see all the data sets, and then you can compare them with the downloaded data sets if you still don't trust.

Here's the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhvgbAQN2Cw

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I guess I'll try this again.

What's your source for the link above? Please post the link in a response. Thanks.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:14 pm 
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Uh, see the link above your post...

For those wondering who the author of the video is, here's his BIO...

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Who Is Tony Heller?


Plaque I was given by IBM/Apple/Motorola

People are constantly questioning my credentials. Here are a few of them:

BS Geology, Arizona State University
Masters Electrical Engineering, Rice University
Boston University Geology
Northern Arizona University Computer Science
Colorado State University Computer Science
University of New Mexico Geochemistry

Lifelong environmentalist.
I testified at my first Congressional hearing in support of Wilderness in 1972.
I fought for the Clean Air and Water acts
Wilderness Ranger Cibola National Forest, New Mexico
Wilderness Ranger Santa Fe National Forest, New Mexico
Currently battling the City of Boulder, Colorado to stop development on the South Boulder Wetlands
Full time cyclist for all my local transportation, for the past 40 years

Teacher.
Science teacher, Athletic Director and Soccer Coach at Oak Creek Ranch School, Arizona
Math teacher at Phoenix Country Day School
Substitute teacher at Murphy School District, Phoenix Arizona
Computer instructor at Tomball College, Texas

Geologist.
Geothermal research at Los Alamos National Labs
Oil shale research at Los Alamos National Labs
Thermodynamic research of methane hydrates at Los Alamos National Labs
Volcano research at Los Alamos National Labs
Safety Analysis Report for the Permian Basin DOE nuclear waste disposal site
Volunteer curator Arizona Mineral Museum

Electrical Engineer
Compaq/SGI MIPS consortium design team
Power PC design team IBM/Apple/Motorola (Used in most game consoles over the last three decades, and PowerMacs)
Sandia Labs computer architect
Sandia Labs representative to Al Gore’s Bankers Trust key escrow consortium
Cyrix Media GX microprocessor design team manager
Raycer Graphics OpenGL graphics processor verification lead
Design manager Hitachi/ST SH5 microprocessor
Verification lead MemoryLogix microprocessor
Founder, design lead Visual Media video effects/editing software
OpenGL driver development ATI
Itanium/i7 design team Intel (very likely being used by you right now)
Sped up Helicos DNA sequencing algorithm by 50X
Sped up NCAR weather microphysics kernel by 500X
Ported NCAR’s radiative transfer model to GPU
Ported NCAR’s WRF weather model to Windows
Drone visualization and control software for the US military
Medical device control systems (under NDA)
Virtual reality visualization design (under NDA)
Radio control and visualization software (under NDA)

There are many more projects I haven’t listed here. You will be hard pressed to find anyone with a broader and more successful career in science, education, environment and engineering. I use the same skill set and techniques to analyze climate science claims, as I have used in science/engineering.

Your computer/game consoles work, partly due to my efforts. By contrast, climate science doesn’t work, because it is done largely by dishonest, incompetent hacks who don’t follow or even understand any legitimate methodology.

I don’t receive any funding from anyone, other than small donations to my blog – which work out to about $5/hour. I hate cars and would love to see 90% of them off the road. I have been hit by cars several times riding my bicycle, and they foul the air with pollution.

https://realclimatescience.com/who-is-tony-heller/


So, for those who think he's an ignorant right-winger who doesn't know how to do science and proper research, is anti-environment, etc., you can well, you know what.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:25 pm 
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So, he doesn't have a degree in climatology. He hasn't written a single academic paper about climate change and doesn't have a job related to climatology or the weather.

Which is fine.

Here's blog and twitter:

https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/

https://twitter.com/stevesgoddard

Here's a blog post about his eventual debunking on a claim that the National Snow and Ice Data Center was fudging its numbers:

https://tonyhellerakastevengoddard.com/ ... -bonehead/

Boy, that was embarrassing.

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How Steve Goddard a.k.a. Tony Heller does bad science


http://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/08/ho ... d-science/

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:07 pm 
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That's both hilarious and sad. Ldsfaqs bases his denial of global warming on arguments from non-climate scientist who now admits that his conclusions were embarrassingly mistaken! Kudos to Tony Heller, though, for having the integrity to admit his previous conclusions were flawed, and based on incomplete and/or misinterpreted data.

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That's both hilarious and sad. Ldsfaqs bases his denial of global warming on arguments from non-climate scientist who now admits that his conclusions were embarrassingly mistaken! Kudos to Tony Heller, though, for having the integrity to admit his previous conclusions were flawed, and based on incomplete and/or misinterpreted data.


Uh, you should click on his twitter feed and blog.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:49 pm 
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Well, he seems to have admitted it in one of the links you provided, Doc. In any case, he does seem to have been rather devastatingly debunked. I'll say this for him: he does seem to agree that too much reliance on gasoline powered cars is a significant problem and source of air pollution.

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