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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:58 am 
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Cuomo revisits Trump supporters lying about Trump lying
Cuomo hit the nail squarely on the head. As he said, there can be absolutely no rational debate about Trump's pathological lying, and Trump's aides and appointees who double down on denying that fact and repeating those lies on Trump's behalf are doing a tremendous disservice to their nation and the public, and even, whether Trump believes it or not, even to Trump himself. Many of the lies are so blatant and so easily exposed that they can't help but reflect poorly on Trump and his administration. Nothing is more blazingly obvious than that truth just doesn't matter to them--only what can be made to seem to support what will serve their own selfish interests, everyone else be hanged--especially those aides of Trump who have displayed the audacity and courage to point out to him a truth he does not like.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:11 am 
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They. Don’t. Care.

It’s kind of a perfect storm, really. Ways in which Trump scratches that itch for the Right:

1) Abortion. If Ginsberg dies just wait for it.

2) Judges. We all see it.

3) Eat ____, Libs. You been tellin’ us patriots how evil we are for the last 40 years? Suck our balls, we finally have a guy in the White House with some and he ain’t afraid to tell you mentally ill queers just what we think of your degeneracy.

4) And ____ you too, CNN and MSN. ____ liars. We got a guy who won’t kiss your dumb asses. No press badge for you; you’ll just lie anyway.

5) Finally. ____ welfare queens and anchor babies. This land is our land. Our forefathers conquered it fair and square. We’ll be damned if we’re just gonna let all those ____ holes send their worst to us and screw us out of our birthright. ____ Democrats trying to get illegal votes anyway. ____ traitors.

6) ____ yeah, military!

I think that about sums up the platform these days.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:44 am 
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Yeah, disgusting, isn't Doc? They just don't care what the truth is as long as they think they can get what they want. Now they even complain about Fox News when they slip up and tell the truth.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:34 am 
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Gunnar wrote:
Now they even complain about Fox News when they slip up and tell the truth.

It's like they are both angry and flummoxed when Fox lets some truth slip out.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:55 pm 
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Trump could best be characterized as a pathological liar and strangely enough that works well with the Republican strategy of convincing just enough people during each election cycle to vote Republican even though it is not in their best interest. Because of this, Republicans are invested in keeping Trump and his lies.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:55 pm 
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
They. Don’t. Care.

....

because a politician "lying" is such a modern day anomaly...how utterly shocking! How will we ever adjust to this new and alarming paradigm


"read my lips"
"you can keep your doctor"
"i did not have sexual with that woman"
"weapons of mass destruction"
"I am not a crook"
"there is no cause for such fears"
"what U2 spy planes"
"unprovoked attack"
"no military intervention in Cuba"
"Spain blew up the USS Maine"
"Mexico invaded"
"your boys aren't going to any foreign wars"

geez, hold my sensibilities...

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:15 pm 
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Eat a dick, statistician.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:13 pm 
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Apparently the G7 Summit stimulated Trump's lying gland and he went into overdrive. Wish he would not make such an embarrassing spectacle on a global stage.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:24 pm 
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subgenius wrote:
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
They. Don’t. Care.

....

because a politician "lying" is such a modern day anomaly...how utterly shocking! How will we ever adjust to this new and alarming paradigm


"read my lips"
"you can keep your doctor"
"i did not have sexual with that woman"
"weapons of mass destruction"
"I am not a crook"
"there is no cause for such fears"
"what U2 spy planes"
"unprovoked attack"
"no military intervention in Cuba"
"Spain blew up the USS Maine"
"Mexico invaded"
"your boys aren't going to any foreign wars"

geez, hold my sensibilities...


I have lived many decades aware of the lies that occur in politics. Your list is material I am quite familiar with. I do not think the "keep your doctor" was a lie but more a case of just being wrong. Even if we keep that as a lie (he should have known better) your list is an illustration of the relative infrequency of lies when compared to the unrelenting waterfall of fantasy and falsehood our current president uses to project his delusional self image.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:29 pm 
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huckelberry wrote:
subgenius wrote:
because a politician "lying" is such a modern day anomaly...how utterly shocking! How will we ever adjust to this new and alarming paradigm


"read my lips"
"you can keep your doctor"
"i did not have sexual with that woman"
"weapons of mass destruction"
"I am not a crook"
"there is no cause for such fears"
"what U2 spy planes"
"unprovoked attack"
"no military intervention in Cuba"
"Spain blew up the USS Maine"
"Mexico invaded"
"your boys aren't going to any foreign wars"

geez, hold my sensibilities...


I have lived many decades aware of the lies that occur in politics. Your list is material I am quite familiar with. I do not think the "keep your doctor" was a lie but more a case of just being wrong. Even if we keep that as a lie (he should have known better) your list is an illustration of the relative infrequency of lies when compared to the unrelenting waterfall of fantasy and falsehood our current president uses to project his delusional self image.

Aww, look at you,
"drawing a red line" where 2 lies is cool but 3 lies is hair-fire-mania!!!
aaarggh the orange man tweets mean stuff!!!!

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:30 pm 
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Eat a dick, statistician.

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i don't see any statisticians anywhere around here.
Plenty of dicks, but no statisticians.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:37 pm 
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subgenius wrote:
Aww, look at you,
"drawing a red line" where 2 lies is cool but 3 lies is hair-fire-mania!!!
aaarggh the orange man tweets mean stuff!!!!

So, you are entirely comfortable with the unprecedented tsunami of lies pouring daily from Trump's mouth virtually every day, and his stubborn refusal to retract even the most easily demonstrable and most egregious of them, no matter how often or convincingly they are refuted. Right?

Pointing out that other politicians also occasionally lie or err is the most infantile excuse imaginable; yet you keep doing it. Democrats are also taken to task when they err or deliberately lie, as they should be, and they are generally not nearly as irrationally resistant to admitting to error and apologizing when clearly shown to be in the wrong as Trump and his sycophantic minions. Would you let one of your children off the hook for disciplining for wrongdoing if he/she used the excuse that "well, so and so did the same thing?"

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:40 pm 
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Speaking of dumbarse Trump lies ...

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At last week’s G7 summit in Biarritz, Donald Trump gave an entire network of world leaders whiplash when he declared, contrary to weeks of threats, that not only did the Chinese seem amenable to a trade deal, but that he’d actually heard from Beijing’s top officials that very week. “China called last night our top trade people and said, ‘Let’s get back to the table.’ So we will be getting back to the table and I think they want to do something,” the president told reporters. “They have been hurt very badly but they understand this is the right thing to do and I have great respect for it. This is a very positive development for the world. I think we are going to have a deal.”

At the time, China’s Foreign Ministry claimed to have no idea what Trump was talking about—the implication being that he’d fabricated the call to calm a panicked market. And on Thursday, CNN reported that this was basically the case:

”Though Trump and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin insisted there had been “communication,” aides privately conceded the phone calls Trump described didn’t happen they way he said they did.

Instead, two officials said Trump was eager to project optimism that might boost markets, and conflated comments from China’s vice premier with direct communication from the Chinese.”


This should come as something of a relief to the Chinese, who were flummoxed by Trump’s initial claims. “Regarding the phone call in the weekend, I am not aware of that,” Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang told reporters last week. “I can tell you clearly that I haven’t heard of such a thing.” And it may indicate why the president was so hesitant to offer any detail on said calls, instead telling reporters, “We have had calls at the highest level, but I don’t want to talk about that.”

Could it be that Trump was genuinely confused about communications coming from China? Sure. Could it also be that he’s desperate for a win after virtually an entire presidency of failures? Seems likely!


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:45 pm 
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subgenius wrote:
because a politician "lying" is such a modern day anomaly...how utterly shocking! How will we ever adjust to this new and alarming paradigm


"read my lips"
"you can keep your doctor"
"i did not have sexual with that woman"
"weapons of mass destruction"
"I am not a crook"
"there is no cause for such fears"
"what U2 spy planes"
"unprovoked attack"
"no military intervention in Cuba"
"Spain blew up the USS Maine"
"Mexico invaded"
"your boys aren't going to any foreign wars"

geez, hold my sensibilities...
.

Gosh. Twelve examples, over the course of nearly two centuries.

Trump can beat that count in a couple of tweets.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:49 pm 
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Eat a dick, statistician.

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I applied the well-known subsian odds calculation methodology to this and have determined that there is a 100% chance that subs will eat a dick, unless he doesn’t eat a dick.

There’s also a 100% chance that he still has no idea what western liberalism is.


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