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 Post subject: Re: Damage Done by the Right-Wing Media in 2016
PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:49 pm 
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I'll just make this follow-up post underscoring the point I'm trying to make.

So the company behind this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJZN7IrC1k8

is based in Cyprus and is an offshoot of a Russian advertising firm. If you look at some of their sister channels' videos about Russia, and do some digging around you'll find a bunch of shell corporations that are almost certainly under the umbrella of the Russian troll farm, the Internet RESEARCH Agency, which is a Kremlin asset.

What does that mean for a government that wants to follow the FoG game plan?

Well, in order to use propaganda the 21st century you have to employ cleverness and layering. The US has started to ramp up their operations in the cyber arena, but we're really, really behind the Russians and more importantly, the Chinese at this point (I have a few buddies that went into the US Army's Cyber branch from CI, and we've talked about this on a few visits given the 2016 elections).

Anyway. Go back to that YouTube channel. It targets here in the West women of all ages (they've done the same thing with gaming channels to get young men and channels targeting tweeners & teenagers). You spam out a bunch of low-quality content to find suckers and people who will literally watch anything, and then link the algorithm of the videos to package propaganda alongside it (all the little videos that load up to the right and also Google searches).

So now you not only have people watching your videos from a wide cross-section of your target country's population, you have the most gullible morons watching your videos, and they're the most gullible morons with tons of free time. What do these morons do? They believe the propaganda and start digging to find out if the propaganda is "true." Think flat earth, anti-vaxx, and all sorts of weird issues that essentially erode trust in established institutions. Effective propaganda chooses issues that literally nobody else talks about so it can flood searches with only one point of view, that the invented-issue is an issue. Well, where do you see people who've figured this out doing this on a daily basis? Fox News does the same thing with focusing on non-issues to flood the news with a singular point of view, but online propaganda has scaled up their operations because you can get millions of hits per piece WITH RELATED SEARCHES THAT YOU'VE ENGINEERED TO PRODUCE A VERY SPECIFIC RESPONSE.

As people who are sucked into being concerned about the invented issue, their searches and discussion forums or comments from the video comments sections where half the comments are trolls reassure them that they're not the crazy ones, even though they're so far inside their information bubble that they're completely out of touch of any reality that is contradictory to their invented-issues.

Anyway. Because there's just so much content, disseminated through all the sources you mentioned, even though it's all low quality spam, it gives the appearance of seeming legitimate but it's a completely invented reality. If you ever wonder why rando middle-class Conservative people get enraged over complete non-issues this along with Fox News are really good starting points. They got sucked into this hole, and there's not getting out because humans are psychologically affixed to their opinions.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:02 pm 
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Ok Doc, thanks for the links. The Russian text book is really interesting and frightening. Maybe I should ask the question this way. Do the Russians or Chinese just make friends on Facebook and followers on twitter and pretend to be Americans and give opinions, post things that are pro Chinese/Russian etc.. just as if they were a regular American? And that ends up going deep into our population? I am not skeptical of any of it, I'm just interested in the actual examples of what is being done. Do we even know it if we see it if we are educated about it?

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Hi Mikwut,

I'm not ignoring your question, but I think I got one step ahead of you. I believe my post above does a fairly good job at explaining the nuts and bolts of state-sponsored propaganda in the 21st century.

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Thanks Doc.

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mikwut wrote:
Do we even know it if we see it if we are educated about it?

Look for outrageous news items on suspect news outlets like Fox and Breitbart. These sites frequently feed thoughts directly to the Kremlin Candidate through select handlers.

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
I'll just make this follow-up post underscoring the point I'm trying to make.

So the company behind this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJZN7IrC1k8

is based in Cyprus and is an offshoot of a Russian advertising firm. If you look at some of their sister channels' videos about Russia, and do some digging around you'll find a bunch of shell corporations that are almost certainly under the umbrella of the Russian troll farm, the Internet RESEARCH Agency, which is a Kremlin asset.

What does that mean for a government that wants to follow the FoG game plan?

Well, in order to use propaganda the 21st century you have to employ cleverness and layering. The US has started to ramp up their operations in the cyber arena, but we're really, really behind the Russians and more importantly, the Chinese at this point (I have a few buddies that went into the US Army's Cyber branch from CI, and we've talked about this on a few visits given the 2016 elections).

Anyway. Go back to that YouTube channel. It targets here in the West women of all ages (they've done the same thing with gaming channels to get young men and channels targeting tweeners & teenagers). You spam out a bunch of low-quality content to find suckers and people who will literally watch anything, and then link the algorithm of the videos to package propaganda alongside it (all the little videos that load up to the right and also Google searches).

So now you not only have people watching your videos from a wide cross-section of your target country's population, you have the most gullible morons watching your videos, and they're the most gullible morons with tons of free time. What do these morons do? They believe the propaganda and start digging to find out if the propaganda is "true." Think flat earth, anti-vaxx, and all sorts of weird issues that essentially erode trust in established institutions. Effective propaganda chooses issues that literally nobody else talks about so it can flood searches with only one point of view, that the invented-issue is an issue. Well, where do you see people who've figured this out doing this on a daily basis? Fox News does the same thing with focusing on non-issues to flood the news with a singular point of view, but online propaganda has scaled up their operations because you can get millions of hits per piece WITH RELATED SEARCHES THAT YOU'VE ENGINEERED TO PRODUCE A VERY SPECIFIC RESPONSE.

As people who are sucked into being concerned about the invented issue, their searches and discussion forums or comments from the video comments sections where half the comments are trolls reassure them that they're not the crazy ones, even though they're so far inside their information bubble that they're completely out of touch of any reality that is contradictory to their invented-issues.

Anyway. Because there's just so much content, disseminated through all the sources you mentioned, even though it's all low quality spam, it gives the appearance of seeming legitimate but it's a completely invented reality. If you ever wonder why rando middle-class Conservative people get enraged over complete non-issues this along with Fox News are really good starting points. They got sucked into this hole, and there's not getting out because humans are psychologically affixed to their opinions.

- Doc


This is the most basic leftist agitprop. Its like the level of understanding youd get watching racheal maddow on msnbc.

Not only is it very facile, but displays no real understanding of the magnitude of propaganda and its power, which is primarily carried out by the left by “non state” actors.

If you actually knew anything about “russian” propaganda youd know that.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:01 pm 
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This is the most basic leftist agitprop. Its like the level of understanding youd get watching racheal maddow on msnbc.

Not only is it very facile, but displays no real understanding of the magnitude of propaganda and its power, which is primarily carried out by the left by “non state” actors.

If you actually knew anything about “russian” propaganda youd know that.


Hmm. Spelling, odd use of quotes ... poor grammar.

Has ldsfaqs made himself a sock puppet?

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:48 pm 
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Chap wrote:
iwanttotalk wrote:
This is the most basic leftist agitprop. Its like the level of understanding youd get watching racheal maddow on msnbc.

Not only is it very facile, but displays no real understanding of the magnitude of propaganda and its power, which is primarily carried out by the left by “non state” actors.

If you actually knew anything about “russian” propaganda youd know that.


Hmm. Spelling, odd use of quotes ... poor grammar.

Has ldsfaqs made himself a sock puppet?


What an odd thing to say.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:53 pm 
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Chap wrote:

Hmm. Spelling, odd use of quotes ... poor grammar.

Has ldsfaqs made himself a sock puppet?


Too literate for ldsfaqs. ldsfaqs has a pre-literate style that is hard to match unless you are really trying to get into character. It's almost identical to Donald Trump's, which both amuses and horrifies me.

Regarding his/her post, there's no actual content to it, so there's nothing to engage.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:02 pm 
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EAllusion wrote:
Chap wrote:

Hmm. Spelling, odd use of quotes ... poor grammar.

Has ldsfaqs made himself a sock puppet?


Too literate for ldsfaqs. ldsfaqs has a pre-literate style that is hard to match unless you are really trying to get into character. It's almost identical to Donald Trump's, which both amuses and horrifies me.

Regarding his/her post, there's no actual content to it, so there's nothing to engage.


I was calling you “useful idiots”.
(Its a term of art not an insult)


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:10 pm 
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iwanttotalk wrote:
I was calling you “useful idiots”.
(Its a term of art not an insult)


Haughty condescension mixed with ignorance does fit a stereotype that you probably should try to live down. But rejoice, I don't think you're ldsfaqs even if there are signs that you might share the basic disposition.

Anywho, I'm looking forward to you quoting that post praising Maxine Waters in the other thread you are commenting on. I'm sure it'll happen any second now.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:13 pm 
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EAllusion wrote:
iwanttotalk wrote:
I was calling you “useful idiots”.
(Its a term of art not an insult)


Haughty condescension mixed with ignorance does fit a stereotype that you probably should try to live down. But rejoice, I don't think you're ldsfaqs even if there are signs that you might share the basic disposition.

Anywho, I'm looking forward to you quoting that post praising Maxine Waters in the other thread you are commenting on. I'm sure it'll happen any second now.


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I don't think you're ldsfaqs ...

This new member is participating here in spirit paradise and in the thread in telestial that originated over Smokes' anti-Semitic trolling and, "Who me? I'm just here to talk" gas lighting. Draw what conclusions from that you will.

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honorentheos wrote:
EAllusion wrote:
I don't think you're ldsfaqs ...

This new member is participating here in spirit paradise and in the thread in telestial that originated over Smokes' anti-Semitic trolling and, "Who me? I'm just here to talk" gas lighting. Draw what conclusions from that you will.


Already did. You nailed it.

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In case anyone is still wondering how we got here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-cZG81-MPQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjI5GgfNl5Q


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:11 pm 
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Perfume on my Mind wrote:
No. It's not everyone else's fault. The right wing is ____ up because they choose to believe ____ up things in spite of all the available evidence.


The left also believes in " ____ up things in spite of all the available evidence", but the right is worse. The left is simply the lesser of two evils.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:41 pm 
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Perfume on my Mind wrote:
If someone tries to make the argument that the earth is flat, should I take the time and measured response to disabuse that notion? Or should I not waste time and just say what most rational people think: that's crazy; you're wrong.


It could be a simulation.


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DoubtingThomas wrote:
Perfume on my Mind wrote:
If someone tries to make the argument that the earth is flat, should I take the time and measured response to disabuse that notion? Or should I not waste time and just say what most rational people think: that's crazy; you're wrong.


It could be a simulation.


The earth is flat. Einstein proved that mass is interacts with space time by curving it. The result is a universal attraction between the elements called gravity and the perception of time.

Now humans percice this curvature of space time in 3 dimensions but that is not to say it is spherical it merely appears to be so. The matter is flat, space time curves around it.

Same applies to a train going the speed of light. Is it longer or shorter than the tunnel? Well it is both depending on the point of view of the observer.

To our observation the earth is round, but to an outside observer it would be flat. To a third party observer that is viewing our 3dimensional space from higher dimensionality it would be flat just like a paper is to us.

Its funny how they took such a beautiful theory and made it into “hur dur they think the world is flat like a pankake and that waterfalls off it!!!! Hardihar har!!!!”

The point was always about one thing. Dehumanizing. That was the point of the propaganda. Nothing more. Nothing less. There are no “flat earthers”. Its like the welfare queen. A proxy to justify racial discrimination. And look how much they love it!!!

Beware the flat earthers they scream. Lmao.

by the way the whole thing was made up by russian trolls to laugh at you leftists that believe the most absurd nonsense. The joke always was on you.


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