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Author:  DoubtingThomas [ Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:01 pm ]
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I strongly disagree with the Trump Administration about 98% of the time, but I completely agree that Obama's policy on college campuses must end . The claim that college campuses have a rape culture is nonsense. Feminism is hurting the progressive movement.

New York Times
"Betsy DeVos Is Right: Sexual Assault Policy Is Broken"
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/21/opin ... ml?mcubz=1

Dr. Carol Tavris
"Who's Lying, Who's Self-Justifying? Origins of the He Said/She Said Gap in Sexual Allegations"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SpVVsOUsLo

Author:  EAllusion [ Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:09 pm ]
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I agree with this. College campus rape proceedings often lack due process protections and there is a pernicious culture of accusations equating to guilt. There's also some harmful ideas about the nature of rape floating on top of this.

Given that Trump is a serial offender his administration is the worst possible vehicle to challenge this from a symbolic standpoint, but you have to work with what you got.

Author:  DoubtingThomas [ Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:16 pm ]
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EAllusion wrote:
I agree with this. College campus rape proceedings often lack due process protections and there is a pernicious culture of accusations equating to guilt. There's also some harmful ideas about the nature of rape floating on top of this.

Given that Trump is a serial offender his administration is the worst possible vehicle to challenge this from a symbolic standpoint, but you have to work with what you got.


I know, but I doubt a Hillary Administration would have ended the policy.

Author:  The CCC [ Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:54 pm ]
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It is a complex issue. Of course no one really wants the innocent to be wrongly punished. But blaming the victim is not good either. Groups supporting a change have said they want the victim's sexual history to be the issue, and not the alleged perps actions.
'SEE http://www.thedailybeast.com/betsy-devo ... ed-rapists

Author:  DoubtingThomas [ Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:55 am ]
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The CCC wrote:
Groups supporting a change have said they want the victim's sexual history to be the issue, and not the alleged perps actions.


They are probably extremist sexist groups, the opposite to extreme feminist groups.

The CCC wrote:
It is a complex issue.


What really bothers me is that people see it as black or white, it is much more complicated than that as Dr. Carol Tavris explains. Black or white cases are not common.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SpVVsOUsLo

EAllusion wrote:
I agree with this. College campus rape proceedings often lack due process protections and there is a pernicious culture of accusations equating to guilt. There's also some harmful ideas about the nature of rape floating on top of this. .


EAllusion what are your thoughts on California's Yes means Yes law?

Author:  The CCC [ Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:07 am ]
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How do we mere fallible mortals determine if someone is guilty or innocent of an alleged crime? We don't get very far by assuming guilt or by blaming the victim.

Author:  DoubtingThomas [ Sun Sep 10, 2017 3:26 pm ]
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The CCC wrote:
How do we mere fallible mortals determine if someone is guilty or innocent of an alleged crime? We don't get very far by assuming guilt or by blaming the victim.


The justice system needs to be very careful with cognitive biases. In my view I think judges should be medical doctors and psychologists, not arrogant old men with old assumptions.

War n Sex book talks about how people to prison for stupid stuff. Very similar to the war on drugs, and private prison owners love wars https://www.dukeupress.edu/the-war-on-sex For private prison owners war on people is business.

Read First Chapter
https://goo.gl/R79EUT

Rape is bad and a serious crime, but most cases are not black or white, like Dr. Carol explains in video.

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