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 Post subject: Can you be "pro" whatever your race is, and not be racist?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:57 am 
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What do you think?

1) yes
2) no
3) qualified yes - as long as you're not white

I'd do a poll but don't know how.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:27 am 
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To me it depends on context. I'm pro people irrespective of much melanin they have in their skin. We all are of the same race called Homo Sapiens Sapiens


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:48 am 
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Isn't race considered to be a social construct these days?

https://www.livescience.com/53613-race- ... tific.html

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Today, the mainstream belief among scientists is that race is a social construct without biological meaning. And yet, you might still open a study on genetics in a major scientific journal and find categories like "white" and "black" being used as biological variables.

In an article published today (Feb. 4) in the journal Science, four scholars say racial categories are weak proxies for genetic diversity and need to be phased out. [Unraveling the Human Genome: 6 Molecular Milestones]


Aaaaand then at the end of the article we see the typical mental flip-flop that exasperates the premise being forwarded:

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"While we argue phasing out racial terminology in the biological sciences, we also acknowledge that using race as a political or social category to study racism, although filled with lots of challenges, remains necessary given our need to understand how structural inequities and discrimination produce health disparities between groups," Yudell said.


So, who knows.

To OP's point, I don't really see why not. However, it's difficult to separate pride in one's in-group from thinking other out-groups are inferior. I also think it's easy for low achieving types to latch onto the greatness of others within their in-group and feel an unearned pride that elevates themselves over the Other.

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eta: Pride in one's race or ethnicity always felt like overcompensation to me.

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I mean, OP, what would you say to this woman?

https://imgur.com/a/0wtXp

How do you respond to the implication that non-Whites can't be racist?

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:22 am 
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Of course non-whites can be racists. History is replete with such atrocious examples. IE; Hutu v Tutsi conflict.
SEE http://www.cnn.com/EVENTS/1996/year.in. ... story.html


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Of course non-whites can be racists. History is replete with such atrocious examples. IE; Hutu v Tutsi conflict.
SEE http://www.cnn.com/EVENTS/1996/year.in. ... story.html


I believe that would be an example of ethnic, not racial, strife.

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Ethnic and race have had shifting definitions over time. It wasn't that long ago that Americans were considered a race. I find the whole artificial distinction silly, and hurtful when taken to an extreme. We don't have a choice in whom our parents are, but we do get to choose what we do.


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First of all, let's define terms. Are we talking race or culture? And if race IS culture, what are the implications of that? These questions are not rhetorical.

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They are not the same thing but not necessarily mutually exclusive. IE; Virtually all Chinese are Mongoloid by "race", but not all Mongoloid are Chinese by ethnicity or culture.


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Black Moclips wrote:
What do you think?

1) yes
2) no
3) qualified yes - as long as you're not white

I'd do a poll but don't know how.


You can't do polls on this board any more. The facility is broken.

I know quite a lot about certain ethnicities and cultures other than my own, in terms of language, culture and history.

I have not so far found any means of making judgements 'for' or 'against' any of them on any overall basis. Trying to do so makes about as much sense as asking whether you are 'for' or 'against' people whose name begins with 'B' when written in roman script.

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Can you be pro-[insert race here] and not be racist?

The act of distinguishing people by their race and favoring one over another is the definition of racist. It's like asking, can you eat a sandwich without consuming a sandwich?

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The act of distinguishing people by their race and favoring one over another is the definition of racist. It's like asking, can you eat a sandwich without consuming a sandwich?


That's the way I've always felt about it as well Brother Schmo. Thanks for clarifying our position on this issue that is most important above all others.

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Some Schmo wrote:
Can you be pro-[insert race here] and not be racist?

The act of distinguishing people by their race and favoring one over another is the definition of racist. It's like asking, can you eat a sandwich without consuming a sandwich?


That's literally not the definition of racist.

Literally.

Your example doesn't really hit the mark, imo. For example, let's say I favor the New York Jets. I just think they're the bee's knees for some ridiculous reason, but by no means do I think the New York Jets is superior to other football teams. You can have a favorite team because you have developed some sort of connection to them without believing the team or the organization is the superior one in the league.

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I'm not white but I identify as white and demand that Kevin Graham and CCC treat me as such.

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Oh and (1) yes, being pro-my race and being anti-other race are mutually exclusive conditions


For example, I could easily dislike, demean, and discriminate against people for being Negro but be completely indifferent toward half-breeds, like myself.

Perhaps a better question would be - is it OK to be pro-subgenius while still thinking Kevin Graham is absolutely juvenile on modern political topics?

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subgenius wrote:
For example, I could easily dislike, demean, and discriminate against people for being Negro but be completely indifferent toward half-breeds, like myself.


You're only a half-breed? At what point does the remaining breed fill out?


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I'm not sure that I really understand what the question means.

With regard to race, I'm not even sure what race means. In Potter talk, I don't think that purebloods even exist. We're all muggles.

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Jersey Girl wrote:
With regard to race, I'm not even sure what race means. In Potter talk, I don't think that purebloods even exist. We're all muggles.

Exactly. We're all out of Africa.

It's like being proud of being born blonde, or of a particular gender. WTF did you have to do with it?

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Jersey Girl wrote:
With regard to race, I'm not even sure what race means. In Potter talk, I don't think that purebloods even exist. We're all muggles.

Exactly. We're all out of Africa.

It's like being proud of being born blonde, or of a particular gender. WTF did you have to do with it?


Right?

Racism makes no logical sense. But I guess it doesn't have to.

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subgenius wrote:
For example, I could easily dislike, demean, and discriminate against people for being Negro but be completely indifferent toward half-breeds, like myself.


You're only a half-breed? At what point does the remaining breed fill out?

I'm not sure, whitey hasn't filled in that blank yet - besides, actual "defining and labeling" is beyond my pay grade (see prior mention of racial status)

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