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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:24 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Texas and Arizona
PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:36 am 
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Not sure how all that would work out. California has the best economy of the states and most every country. Porto Rico has a basket case of an economy. Even worse than that of Mississippi. Exchanging Porto Rico for California would just add another moocher state.


Assuming all of Puerto Rico isn't in FL by then...

Exodus: Company Helps Conservative Californians Emigrate to Texas

A new company is helping conservative Californians emigrate to Texas, where they can enjoy lower taxes, better economic opportunities, and friendlier politics.
Fox News reports that former Republican congressional candidate Paul Chabot has founded a company, Conservative Move, that helps would-be emigrants sell their homes in the Golden State and find new ones in the Lone Star State, and also helps them find “a good-paying job” in their new home.
Chabot’s prospective clients include those who, like him, have concluded that California has no future for them:
While California during the 1980s and early 1990s was anything but serene – there was the crack cocaine epidemic, widespread tensions between the African-American community and the police and a rash of homelessness, just to name a few issues – Chabot argues that unlike that time, it is almost impossible to maintain the type of middle-class existence he had during his childhood. He added that things like rising taxes, legalized marijuana, gun restrictions, sanctuary cities and declining public schools have all added to the disappearance of the state he once knew.
“California is no longer the representation of the American Dream,” he said. “California has fallen morally on so many levels.”
In addition, the two states have completely different views of government’s role — with Californians preferring high taxes and heavy regulations, and Texas preferring the opposite. California conservatives are attracted to the Texan philosophy — and Chabot hopes to help them find more hospitable surroundings.
As Breitbart News noted earlier this year, Texas continues to add new residents from other states, and California is the number one source.
Texas governors have also been poaching California companies for years — most notably Toyota, which has moved from Torrance in Los Angeles to Plano, Texas. Some 9,000 companies reportedly left California between 2008 and 2015 — many of them heading to Texas.

Many of California’s conservatives want to go with them.

http://www.breitbart.com/california/201 ... ate-texas/

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:41 am 
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Without the money from California taxpayers Texas couldn't balance its own budget.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:17 pm 
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Without the money from California taxpayers Texas couldn't balance its own budget.

wow you are the colossus of stupid...but at least you did not link-n-run, eh gramps.

But tell us more however could Texas survive when its tax burden is ranked 45th compared to California's 4th...which, considering your ignorance on the matter, means that California taxes a 42 percent greater share of income than does Texas...which means that without California, Texas still has a generous tax base from which to draw revenue...and given the Federal money that California rakes in due to the countless National Parks, welfare programs, and Military properties/contracts...i imagine the budget will just work its way out just fine.
But hey, i am sure that Texas's greater job growth, greater individual GDP, and friendly policy towards Mexican immigration will also pitch in to fill that California void....and heaven forbid that the more bipartisan politics within Texas contribute more than the single-sided government heavy burden of California.

move along old man, you've had a good run and you are better off just watching from your porch.....taking a nap....etc


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:23 pm 
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Stupid Troll California taxpayers subsidizes Texas.
SEE https://www.theatlantic.com/business/ar ... rs/361668/


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:33 pm 
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Stupid Troll California taxpayers subsidizes Texas.
SEE https://www.theatlantic.com/business/ar ... rs/361668/

wasn't disputing that ya moron...the premise was how Texas could survive when California is gone....when those subsidies are gone...get it? huh?...is this going in your good ear?

geez, you can't even grasp the simple link-and-run concept how am i expecting you to grasp a simple economic concept?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:13 pm 
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The Texas budget as it is now wouldn't survive without California taxpayers bailing it out. Talk about not knowing simple economic concepts. by the way I don't have a problem with supporting those in need. But resent those that bite the hand that feeds them. Like your Moocher Tennessee.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:30 pm 
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Themis wrote:

We would need to see better data to see if there is a real trend toward democrats. I'm not American, but even I know that Bush had been Governor of Texas when he ran for President in 2000 and 2004. Should we not expect him to do better then other republican candidates who were not from Texas? And Trump was the worst candidate the Republicans could have picked.


Yes, Hispanic population is growing fast in Texas. Republicans seriously need to rethink their anti-abortion proposals.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:53 pm 
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The Texas budget as it is now wouldn't survive without California taxpayers bailing it out. Talk about not knowing simple economic concepts. by the way I don't have a problem with supporting those in need. But resent those that bite the hand that feeds them. Like your Moocher Tennessee.

"as it is now" :lol:
Might as well move the goal posts, eh?


You're in waaaay over your gray little head. Best you save face now, knowwhatImean?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:09 am 
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DoubtingThomas wrote:
Themis wrote:

We would need to see better data to see if there is a real trend toward democrats. I'm not American, but even I know that Bush had been Governor of Texas when he ran for President in 2000 and 2004. Should we not expect him to do better then other republican candidates who were not from Texas? And Trump was the worst candidate the Republicans could have picked.


Yes, Hispanic population is growing fast in Texas. Republicans seriously need to rethink their anti-abortion proposals.


You still need to show the Hispanic vote is stable or trending to the democrats. Also, Hispanics tend to be more religious then your average American, so anti abortion is an issue that may appeal to many Hispanics. It's usually issues like immigration that make them vote for democrats more the republicans.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:30 am 
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DoubtingThomas wrote:

Yes, Hispanic population is growing fast in Texas. Republicans seriously need to rethink their anti-abortion proposals.


You still need to show the Hispanic vote is stable or trending to the democrats. Also, Hispanics tend to be more religious then your average American, so anti abortion is an issue that may appeal to many Hispanics. It's usually issues like immigration that make then vote for democrats more the republicans.

While a near-majority of Texas Latinos leans Democrat, Tejanos identify with the Republican Party at a significantly higher rate than the average among Hispanics in the rest of the country
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/0 ... 47814.html

nevertheless, while Latino population is on the rise in CA and TX we see that their share of voting population is diminishing, due to the increase being primarily among illegal/ineligible voters. So the Latino vote is less important in either of these 2 states...the Latino vote is way more important in Florida, Arizona, New Mexico and Nevada.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:59 am 
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subgenius wrote:
"as it is now" :lol:
Might as well move the goal posts, eh?


You're in waaaay over your gray little head. Best you save face now, knowwhatImean?


The Texas budget has been as it is now for several years you stupid Troll.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:44 pm 
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Themis wrote:

You still need to show the Hispanic vote is stable or trending to the democrats. Also, Hispanics tend to be more religious then your average American, so anti abortion is an issue that may appeal to many Hispanics. It's usually issues like immigration that make them vote for democrats more the republicans.


Ye, look at "The Latino Vote in Presidential Races: 1980–2012"
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/11/07/l ... -election/

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"Nearly 30 percent more Latinos in Texas voted in November than in the 2012 election, outpacing the increase in that time for non-Latino voters, according to a state report."
https://apnews.com/715e598a5ec942c6af60 ... urged-2012


In 2012 Republicans won Texas by a margin of 15.78%, in 2016 only by an 8.99%. However, more people voted for Trump 4,685,047 than Mitt Romney 4,569,843, that can only mean that Hispanics made a huge impact.

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Themis wrote:

You still need to show the Hispanic vote is stable or trending to the democrats. Also, Hispanics tend to be more religious then your average American, so anti abortion is an issue that may appeal to many Hispanics. It's usually issues like immigration that make them vote for democrats more the republicans.


Ye, look at "The Latino Vote in Presidential Races: 1980–2012"
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/11/07/l ... -election/

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"Nearly 30 percent more Latinos in Texas voted in November than in the 2012 election, outpacing the increase in that time for non-Latino voters, according to a state report."
https://apnews.com/715e598a5ec942c6af60 ... urged-2012


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In 2012 Republicans won Texas by a margin of 15.78%, in 2016 only by an 8.99%. However, more people voted for Trump 4,685,047 than Mitt Romney 4,569,843, that can only mean that Hispanics made a huge impact.

No, it can also mean that more Hispanics voted for Trump and another demographic voted for someone else. Your claim is supposition and still does not address the "fact" that voting Hispanics are still a significant minority in Texas.

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Colorado GOP rep declares: "The Republican Party is dead"

Oh, well if Colorado's GOP says so then why are we even talking about Texas?

25 Repubs to 11 Democrats in Federal House
95 Repubs to 55 Democrats in State House
20 Repubs to 11 Democrats in State Senate
No Democratic Senators, No Democratic Governor, No Democratic LT Governor, No Democratic Commissioners, No Democratic Comptroller, No Democratic Attorney General

The data just does not support your speculation

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:51 pm 
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No, it can also mean that more Hispanics voted for Trump and another demographic voted for someone else.


Again.

Exit polls for Texas show: white 57%, latino 24%, black 11%. How is 24% not significant? To get white voters below 50% Latinos only need 8% points more. In Texas only 34% of Latinos voted for trump. I think it was anti-Obamacare politics that saved Texas for the Republicans.
http://edition.cnn.com/election/results ... /president

So please explain how Trump got more votes than Romney in Texas, but won with a way smaller margin.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:02 am 
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No, it can also mean that more Hispanics voted for Trump and another demographic voted for someone else.


Again.

Exit polls for Texas show: white 57%, latino 24%, black 11%. How is 24% not significant? To get white voters below 50% Latinos only need 8% points more. In Texas only 34% of Latinos voted for trump. I think it was anti-Obamacare politics that saved Texas for the Republicans.
http://edition.cnn.com/election/results ... /president

So please explain how Trump got more votes than Romney in Texas, but won with a way smaller margin.

dude, your ignoring the real numbers...again, you have yet to resolve that while the Hispanic vote is increasing so is its percentage voting Republican. So, your "speculation" is rather near sighted because it assumes the white vote is static and that the increase in Hispanic vote is a proportional increase in each party line vote - but the data does not support your speculation as cited above. In other words, in Texas more Hispanic votes does not mean a critical mass of more Democratic votes.

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dude, your ignoring the real numbers...again, you have yet to resolve that while the Hispanic vote is increasing so is its percentage voting Republican.


Dude, you have no evidence. In national exit polls 27% voted for Romney, 28% voted for Trump. One percent is within the margin of error, there is no difference.
http://www.cnn.com/election/results/exit-polls
http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/presiden

As for Texas, "The exit poll for Texas reported that 61 percent of Hispanics voted for Clinton and 34 percent for Trump. On its face, this seems implausible. Clinton won 560,000 more votes in Texas than Obama did in 2012. Moreover, voter turnout in Texas was two points higher this year than in 2012, and Hispanics are the fastest-growing segment of the Texas electorate. Is it possible that Clinton gained 560,000 votes in Texas while winning only 61 percent of Hispanic votes? Some analysts looking at county-level data think that rural Hispanic voters shifted toward Trump, as Geraldo Cadava argued, or that Clinton did worse with Hispanic voters than Obama, as Harry Enten argued. But counties can be large and, therefore, not well suited to learning about the behavior of subgroups like Hispanics........

Finally, we estimate that Clinton won 77 percent of Hispanics and Trump won 18 percent. These estimates strongly suggest that the exit poll estimates (61 percent to 34 percent) underestimate Clinton’s strength among Hispanics in Texas. The Latino Decisions exit poll in Texas — which reported that 80 percent of Latinos voted for Clinton and 16 percent for Trump — appears closer to the truth."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mon ... f72a3ebac4


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Even the Republican Bible admits "If Texas Goes Blue, Republicans Are Finished"

"Trends can be reversed but until they are, Republicans risk protracted losing in a center-left country, which America now is, and in a purple Texas, which soon could be" http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... finish-gop


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Washington Post reports, "The exit poll for Texas reported that 61 percent of Hispanics voted for Clinton and 34 percent for Trump. On its face, this seems implausible. Clinton won 560,000 more votes in Texas than Obama did in 2012. Moreover, voter turnout in Texas was two points higher this year than in 2012, and Hispanics are the fastest-growing segment of the Texas electorate. Is it possible that Clinton gained 560,000 votes in Texas while winning only 61 percent of Hispanic votes? Some analysts looking at county-level data think that rural Hispanic voters shifted toward Trump, as Geraldo Cadava argued, or that Clinton did worse with Hispanic voters than Obama, as Harry Enten argued. But counties can be large and, therefore, not well suited to learning about the behavior of subgroups like Hispanics........

Finally, we estimate that Clinton won 77 percent of Hispanics and Trump won 18 percent. These estimates strongly suggest that the exit poll estimates (61 percent to 34 percent) underestimate Clinton’s strength among Hispanics in Texas. The Latino Decisions exit poll in Texas — which reported that 80 percent of Latinos voted for Clinton and 16 percent for Trump — appears closer to the truth."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mon ... f72a3ebac4


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What the Democrats need is a cross between Anne Richards and Molly Ivins.

I think the demographic time bomb is developing more slowly that most people thought it would. I don't see Texas turning blue until 2024 at the absolute earliest, assuming Trump doesn't go to war with Mexico in the interim.

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I think the demographic time bomb is developing more slowly that most people thought it would. I don't see Texas turning blue until 2024 at the absolute earliest, assuming Trump doesn't go to war with Mexico in the interim.

2024 is less than a decade. Perhaps sooner if the GOP and Trump mess things up really bad.


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