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 Post subject: Texas and Arizona
PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:55 pm 
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Can someone please explain what are Republicans going to do without Texas (38 electoral votes)?

In 2000 Republican won Texas by 21.32%
2004 by 22.9%
2008 by 11.8%
2012 by 15.78%
and 2016 by 8.99%.

Donald Trump won Arizona (11 votes) with a margin of 3.57%.
38 + 11 = 49 electoral votes. What are Republicans going to do?


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:59 pm 
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With Texas the Democrats don't need Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, North Carolina, New Hampshire, Vermont , New Jersey for the Presidency. Republicans are in Big trouble. Thank you demographics.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:38 am 
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Republican Texas simply needs to purge voting rolls of Hispanic last names - starting with Cruz.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 11:56 am 
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Obviously you missed the actual news this week where California AG has allowed the next phase of California secession to proceed with signatures for appearance on next ballot....and that, my friend, is 55 electoral college votes, which means the Republicans would have a net gain 17....so your question should be - "what are the Democrats gonna do?"...and the answer is what the Democrats always do..."lose election after election".

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 12:06 pm 
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Texas actually did secede from the US along with your treasonous Tennessee.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 12:58 pm 
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Obviously you missed the actual news this week where California AG has allowed the next phase of California secession to proceed with signatures for appearance on next ballot....and that, my friend, is 55 electoral college votes, which means the Republicans would have a net gain 17....so your question should be - "what are the Democrats gonna do?"...and the answer is what the Democrats always do..."lose election after election".



wtf are you talking about? Democrats don't need the white non-Hispanic votes in California. There is no evidence that Republicans can win California in presidential elections.

Clinton won the state by a margin of 30.11% and it is only going to get worst because the Hispanic population is growing faster. The Republicans seriously need to rethink their anti-abortion proposals.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:27 pm 
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what the Democrats always do..."lose election after election".


Oooooh, with the loser meme, can "snowflake" and "trigger" be far behind? Good little Trump dog. :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:31 pm 
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DoubtingThomas wrote:
subgenius wrote:
Obviously you missed the actual news this week where California AG has allowed the next phase of California secession to proceed with signatures for appearance on next ballot....and that, my friend, is 55 electoral college votes, which means the Republicans would have a net gain 17....so your question should be - "what are the Democrats gonna do?"...and the answer is what the Democrats always do..."lose election after election".



wtf are you talking about? Democrats don't need the white non-Hispanic votes in California. There is no evidence that Republicans can win California in presidential elections.

Clinton won the state by a margin of 30.11% and it is only going to get worst because the Hispanic population is growing faster. The Republicans seriously need to rethink their anti-abortion proposals.
He's saying if California does leave the Union to become it's own nation then Democrats in the remaining 50 States (since Puerto Rico voted to become a state, making it official would let us keep the same flag so why not?) would face a loss that far outweighs the effect of anti-Republican Hispanics on southwest state elections.

Personally, I don't think it's that linear anyway.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:41 pm 
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Not sure how all that would work out. California has the best economy of the states and most every country. Porto Rico has a basket case of an economy. Even worse than that of Mississippi. Exchanging Porto Rico for California would just add another moocher state.


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honorentheos wrote:
he's saying if California does leave the Union to become it's own nation


That would be a good thing! I would move to California if that ever happens.


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honorentheos wrote:
Puerto Rico voted to become a state


Hopefully it does. In the 2016 primaries 36,393 voted Republican, 58,794 voted Democrat. With a population of 3.411 million that is at least 6 electoral votes.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:23 pm 
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Texas actually did secede from the US along with your treasonous Tennessee.

U mad?

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wtf are you talking about? Democrats don't need the white non-Hispanic votes in California. There is no evidence that Republicans can win California in presidential elections.

Clinton won the state by a margin of 30.11% and it is only going to get worst because the Hispanic population is growing faster. The Republicans seriously need to rethink their anti-abortion proposals.

The OP says nothing about white votes or non-white votes, but I suppose your racism was implied?

Just noting that your premise is as flawed as California's chances for a successful secession

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 3:01 pm 
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subgenius wrote:
The OP says nothing about white votes or non-white votes, but I suppose your racism was implied?


Only 37% of Whites voted Democrat in 2016, all I am saying is that Democrats don't need white non-Hispanic votes in the state of California, just like Washington state doesn't need non-white votes. Washington state has smart whites because it is one of the few states where Clinton won the white vote.

No racism. I been accused of racism towards blacks, hispanics, chinese, and whites. Let me tell you I make fun of my own race all the time! I think it was dumb that Hispanics and Blacks heavily voted for Clinton in the primaries.

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Just noting that your premise is as flawed as California's chances for a successful secession


Texas could become blue in the near future, how is that possibility flawed? Aren't you seeing the trend? There is a reason why Romney said "our party" is in trouble.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:40 am 
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subgenius wrote:
U mad?


No. I just know history. Every few years there is a movement for California to split into two states, much like Virginia did to become Virginia and West Virginia. No such effort has been successful so far, and I don't foresee the US government allowing a separation from the United States. That issue was resolved with the US Civil War.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:15 am 
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The CCC wrote:
subgenius wrote:
U mad?

No. I just know history.

Just because you have been alive for most of it does not mean you know it...and clearly you knowledge of history exceeds you ability to discern simple concepts in a an argument.

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Every few years there is a movement for California to split into two states, much like Virginia did to become Virginia and West Virginia. No such effort has been successful so far, and I don't foresee the US government allowing a separation from the United States. That issue was resolved with the US Civil War.


No duh, perhaps you missed the part where i clarified (for the slow witted)
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Just noting that your premise is as flawed as California's chances for a successful secession

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:37 am 
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DoubtingThomas wrote:
subgenius wrote:
The OP says nothing about white votes or non-white votes, but I suppose your racism was implied?


Only 37% of Whites voted Democrat in 2016, all I am saying is that Democrats don't need white non-Hispanic votes in the state of California, just like Washington state doesn't need non-white votes. Washington state has smart whites because it is one of the few states where Clinton won the white vote.

there is no evidence to support the claim that smart-whites voted for Clinton, in fact any white that voted for Clinton favors the claim that stupid whites voted for Clinton.
And since California is 57% white and only 37% hispanic I would argue that Democrats absolutely need white votes in CA - absolutely.

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No racism. I been accused of racism towards blacks, hispanics, chinese, and whites. Let me tell you I make fun of my own race all the time!

Yeah, the Don Rickles approach is often used by racist....making fun of your own race along with other races still makes you racist (note: i do not think all racism is inherently bad/good).
But my point was that the OP did not distinguish an race in terms of the argument being presented....but suddenly racism was used in rebuttal as if everyone should have understood that racism was part of the OP.

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I think it was dumb that Hispanics and Blacks heavily voted for Clinton in the primaries.

Agreed, but many of them voted for Trump, he had a significant poaching of their vote.

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Just noting that your premise is as flawed as California's chances for a successful secession


Texas could become blue in the near future, how is that possibility flawed? Aren't you seeing the trend? There is a reason why Romney said "our party" is in trouble.

Because there is no rationale for believing that Texas will become blue in any near future. There is no trend because you are making the assumption that Texas is somehow ignoring the candidate and simply voting for party - and data proves this assumption to be wrong.
Also considering that Texas had 2 faithless electors in 2016 that did not align with blue is misrepresented in your so-called "trend".
But if you want to really look at trends from a superficial perspective then consider the trend from 1848 to present...clearly strong blue for 18 elections, then it staggers between blue and red...and now red for last 10 elections...trend is for red.
http://www.270towin.com/states/Texas

I would worry more about places like CA where you might see a surprising turn of events in coming years...I don't think the Democrats have learned anything from their "take-it-for-granted" folly in 2016.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:21 am 
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subgenius wrote:
Just because you have been alive for most of it does not mean you know it...and clearly you knowledge of history exceeds you ability to discern simple concepts in a an argument.

The CCC wrote:
Every few years there is a movement for California to split into two states, much like Virginia did to become Virginia and West Virginia. No such effort has been successful so far, and I don't foresee the US government allowing a separation from the United States. That issue was resolved with the US Civil War.


No duh, perhaps you missed the part where i clarified (for the slow witted)
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Just noting that your premise is as flawed as California's chances for a successful secession


I'm 66 years old, not 156 years old. Clearly you are a stupid Troll without the intellectual capacity of a 3 year old. California isn't going to split from the US, like your treasonous eastern Tennessee.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:27 am 
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Not sure how all that would work out. California has the best economy of the states and most every country. Porto Rico has a basket case of an economy. Even worse than that of Mississippi. Exchanging Porto Rico for California would just add another moocher state.


California doesn't have the "best economy" of the states. States such as Colorado, Oregon, and Washington State are in better economic conditions than California. Link
And California has one of nation’s largest public pension shortfalls. Link


As for Texas and Arizona, Arizona will likely go blue in 2020 mainly due to the growing Hispanic population here. However, Texas will very likely stay red in 2020.

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SEE http://www.newsweek.com/economic-output ... nce-467614

By Mark J. Perry On 6/11/16 at 8:00 AM

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This article first appeared on the American Enterprise Institute site.

The map above was created (with assistance from AEI’s graphic design director Olivier Ballou) by matching the economic output (GDP) in each U.S. state (and the District of Columbia) in 2015 to foreign countries with comparable nominal GDP last year, using data from the BEA for GDP by U.S. state and data for GDP by country from the International Monetary Fund.

For each U.S. state (and the District of Columbia), I identified the country closest in economic size in 2015 (measured by nominal GDP), and for each state there was a country with a pretty close match—those countries are displayed in the map above and in the table below. Obviously, in some cases the closest match was a country that produced slightly more, or slightly less, economic output in 2015 than a given U.S. state.

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It’s pretty amazing how ridiculously large the U.S. economy is, and the map above helps put America’s GDP of $18 trillion in 2015 into perspective by comparing the GDP of U.S. states to other country’s entire national GDP. For example:

1. America’s largest state economy is California, which produced $2.44 trillion of economic output in 2015, just slightly above the GDP of France during the same period of $2.42 trillion.

Consider this: California has a workforce of about 19 million compared to an employment level in France of slightly more than 25 million workers. Amazingly, it required 56 percent (and 9 million) more workers in France to produce the same economic output last year as California! That’s a testament to the superior, world-class productivity of the American worker.

Further, California as a separate country would have been the sixth largest economy in the world last year, ahead of France ($2.42 trillion) and India ($2.09 trillion) and not too far behind No. 5 U.K. at $2.85 trillion.

2. America’s second largest state economy—Texas—produced $1.64 trillion of economic output in 2015, which would have ranked the Lone Star State as the world’s 10th largest economy last year, behind No. 9 Brazil with $1.77 trillion of economic output.

Although Brazil out-produced Texas last year by almost 8 percent, the workforce of Brazil is around 91 million employees compared to payroll employment in Texas of only about 12 million. So to produce just slightly more economic output last year, Brazil’s workforce is larger by almost 80 million workers compared to the U.S.!

3. Even with all of its oil wealth, Saudi Arabia’s GDP in 2015 at $653 billion was below the GDP of U.S. states like Pennsylvania ($680 billion) and Illinois ($768 billion).

4. America’s third largest state economy—New York with a GDP in 2015 of $1.45 trillion—produced nearly the same amount of economic output last year as Canada ($1.55 trillion) and would have ranked as the world’s 11th largest economy last year as a separate country, ahead of both South Korea ($1.38 trillion) and Russia ($1.32 trillion).

Amazingly, even though Canada produced about 7 percent more economic output last year than the state of New York, there are almost twice as many Canadian workers (about 18 million) as the number of workers employed in New York (9.2 million). Another example of the world-class productivity of the American workforce.

5. Other comparisons: Florida ($888 billion) produced about the same amount of GDP in 2015 as Indonesia ($858 billion), even though Florida’s workforce of 9.3 million is about 8 percent of Indonesia’s workforce of 115 million employees. GDP in Illinois last year of $768 billion was just slightly higher than economic output in the Netherlands ($738 billion), even though employment in Illinois (6.2 million workers) is about 25 percent below the employment level in the Netherlands (8.34 million workers).

Overall, the U.S. produced 24.5 percent of world GDP in 2015, with only about 4.5 percent of the world’s population. Three of America’s states (California, Texas and New York)—as separate countries—would have ranked in the world’s top 11 largest economies last year.

Together, those three US states produced $5.5 trillion in economic output last year, and as a separate country would have ranked as the world’s third largest economy and ahead of No. 3 Japan ($4.1 trillion) by almost $1.5 trillion.

And one of those states—California—produced more than $2 trillion in economic output in 2015—and the other two (Texas and New York) produced more than $1.6 trillion and $1.4 trillion of GDP in 2015 respectively.

Adjusted for the size of the workforce, there might not be any country in the world that produces as much output per worker as the US, thanks to the world-class productivity of the American workforce.

The map above and the statistics summarized here help remind us of the enormity of the economic powerhouse we live and work in. So let’s not lose sight of how ridiculously large and powerful the US economy is, and how much wealth, output and prosperity is being created every day in the largest economic engine ever in human history.

06_11_State_GDPs AEI graphics: date from Bureau of Economic Analysis and International Monetary Fund


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:08 am 
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DoubtingThomas wrote:
Can someone please explain what are Republicans going to do without Texas (38 electoral votes)?

In 2000 Republican won Texas by 21.32%
2004 by 22.9%
2008 by 11.8%
2012 by 15.78%
and 2016 by 8.99%.

Donald Trump won Arizona (11 votes) with a margin of 3.57%.
38 + 11 = 49 electoral votes. What are Republicans going to do?


We would need to see better data to see if there is a real trend toward democrats. I'm not American, but even I know that Bush had been Governor of Texas when he ran for President in 2000 and 2004. Should we not expect him to do better then other republican candidates who were not from Texas? And Trump was the worst candidate the Republicans could have picked.

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