Why Are the Highly Educated So Liberal?

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Re: Why Are the Highly Educated So Liberal?

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Ceeboo wrote:Hey EA! :smile:

EAllusion wrote:The gallop poll is useful because of how long they've been doing it. It's less useful in that it doesn't ask questions in such a way that you can tell the difference between old earth creationists and people who accept evolutionary theory.


It doesn't? :confused:

Old earth creationists = Evolved, God guided
People who accept evolutionary theory = Evolved, God had no part

No?
What am I missing?


The problem is whether an old earth creationist is someone who believes God played a major part in guiding evolution of life all along to modern times to God started the process and left it to evolve on it's own.
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Re: Why Are the Highly Educated So Liberal?

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Ceeboo wrote:
It doesn't? :confused:

Old earth creationists = Evolved, God guided
People who accept evolutionary theory = Evolved, God had no part

No?
What am I missing?


Theistic evolutionists believe that God created life, but they think God used the natural processes that entail evolution to do it. God, in this view, is like an embellishment. God isn't strictly necessary to understand why evolution happened, but that doesn't change the fact that God could be behind it.

On the other hand, creationists think that the evidence indicates God best explains the existence or diversity of life. God is necessary to understanding. God did stuff outside the bounds of evolutionary processes to make life happen.

Both old earth creationists and theistic evolutionists can agree to the statement that humans evolved, but God guided it. Most creationists, even those that call themselves intelligent design supporters, don't think this with respect to humans, but some absolutely do. This isn't really believing in evolution as the term is understood in evolutionary biology, but people like Michael Behe will say they believe in evolution while thinking that there's impenetrable steps in evolution that God resolved.

So you have a category where both believers in evolutionary theory and disbelievers in it can both say it best applies to their views.
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Hey again, EA! :smile:

EAllusion wrote:
Theistic evolutionists believe that God created life, but they think God used the natural processes that entail evolution to do it. God, in this view, is like an embellishment. God isn't strictly necessary to understand why evolution happened, but that doesn't change the fact that God could be behind it.

On the other hand, creationists think that the evidence indicates God best explains the existence or diversity of life. God is necessary to understanding. God did stuff outside the bounds of evolutionary processes to make life happen.

Both old earth creationists and theistic evolutionists can agree to the statement that humans evolved, but God guided it. Most creationists, even those that call themselves intelligent design supporters, don't think this with respect to humans, but some absolutely do. This isn't really believing in evolution as the term is understood in evolutionary biology, but people like Michael Behe will say they believe in evolution while thinking that there's impenetrable steps in evolution that God resolved.

So you have a category where both believers in evolutionary theory and disbelievers in it can both say it best applies to their views.



(Bold mine)

Got it!
Thanks.

Yeah - I think the poll results leave the waters a little muddy. (Perhaps most of these polls do?)

Peace,
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Re: Why Are the Highly Educated So Liberal?

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EAllusion wrote:The gallop poll is useful because of how long they've been doing it. It's less useful in that it doesn't ask questions in such a way that you can tell the difference between old earth creationists and people who accept evolutionary theory. Other polls that try to tease out people who accept evolutionary theory - roughly meaning that biodiversy is the result of descent with modification by evolutionary mechanisms - find that it's around 20-30% of of the country.

Democrats and Republicans both reject evolutionary theory in large numbers. Young earth creationism belief held steady at 60% Republican and 40% Democrat for years. Very recently, Republican belief in young earth creationism has upticked a little. This is probably the result Republicans becoming more and more focused on consuming information from the right-wing reality bubble.


Why do we have no cry emoji.......? I don't care about political affiliation. Too many people in this country are being raised to be ignorant. Like the guy over at MAD evidencing dinosaurs and humans co existing with fraudulent clay dino figures.
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ajax18 wrote:
Very few actual citizens benefit from GOP policies these days.


It's been 8 years since we've seen a GOP policy nationally. Every legally working person got a tax break under GWB. Is that not a large percentage of people or was Romney right about the 47%?


Not so much.
SEE https://www.americanprogress.org/issues ... this-year/
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To OP;

I have no problem with God using Evolution in his Creation of us and our world.
So neither my faith nor my science gets abused.
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Says the man whose religion's official doctrine is that the Earth is 7000 years old, that the flood was global, and that there was no death before the fall.

Mental gymnastics, hilarity, and bad justifications will ensue.
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SteelHead wrote:Says the man whose religion's official doctrine is that the Earth is 7000 years old, that the flood was global, and that there was no death before the fall.

Mental gymnastics, hilarity, and bad justifications will ensue.


Not so much.
SEE http://en.fairmormon.org/Mormonism_and_ ... _the_Earth

Not so much.
SEE http://en.fairmormon.org/Mormonism_and_ ... ocal_Flood

Not so much.
SEE http://en.fairmormon.org/Mormonism_and_ ... e_the_Fall
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Re: Why Are the Highly Educated So Liberal?

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Letting the Bush tax cuts expire on those making more than $250,000 will impact only about 2 percent of all American taxpayers, according to the Tax Policy Center.


This article omits the fact that the payroll tax came back when Bush's tax cuts expired. That effected a lot more people than those making $250k/yr.
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