94,044,000 Americans Not in the Labor Force

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Themis wrote:
Some Schmo wrote:What... ajax not answering another direct question? The devil, you say?!


It's why no one really takes him seriously.


It's times like this I begin to believe he's simply trolling us.
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I decided to bump this thread back up after Ajax/"Maxine" recently stated here:
"Make sure to get out the vote in 2020 so we can fundamentally transform this country from a working economy with a high labor participation rate back to a pick your check up in the mail welfare collecting economy." - Link

But there are still over 95,000,000 Americans not in the labor force, and the labor participation rate is just slightly higher it is now than when President Obama left office.

2016:
Nov. 62.7%
Dec. 62.7%

2018:
Nov. 63.2%
Dec. 63.2%

https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000


There was a good article about this subject on CNN.com from a couple of years ago.

The number of Americans out of the workforce is misleading as a gauge of who is and isn't working.

For example, retired people are out of the workforce. They're not counted in the unemployment rate because they don't want a job. The same is true of tens of millions of Americans who are in school, or can't work because they are disabled.


https://money.cnn.com/2018/01/10/news/e ... index.html
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So there are more Americans not working now than there were under Obama.

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Icarus wrote:So there are more Americans not working now than there were under Obama.


There are slightly more Americans out of the labor force now than when Obama left office.

December of 2016: 95,031,000
December of 2019: 95,625,000

https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS15000000
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That number is going to keep growing as more baby boomers move into retirement. But as I noted to Ajax in the other thread, there is an increase in the percentage of people over retirement age in the work force compared to previous generations as well. More and more people are working into their mid 70s. This corresponds with a lower percentage of people under 24 and even in the prime employment years from 25 through 55 when compared to pre-recession numbers. Big picture, the economy looks different from 2008-10 onward compared to before 2008. The period between 2008 and 2010 included high unemployment but typical labor participation demographics. But they shifted in that period to lower overall participation, and changes in the participation by age category.
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Boomer increases make up for a decrease in kids. By 2050 most of the boomers will have died out. Many areas of the world will have vastly decreased populations due to climate change. A number of affluent Republicans will have moved to Galt Island, which they will have renamed Shangrila. Fights will still break out over who owns the breathable atmosphere on the island.
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So, by way of ajax’s thinking, Trump’s leadership has seen an increase in the welfare state of the nation, with more ‘takers’ than ever before.

It must be why he never mentions this statistic, these days.

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What has always confused me on these posts is this: does ajax believe that when you retire, you just never pay taxes again? Because I'm fairly sure that's not the case. If it is, I know a bunch of people who are due some pretty hefty refunds.

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AZCaesar wrote:What has always confused me on these posts is this: does ajax believe that when you retire, you just never pay taxes again?

The confusion stems from assuming ajax knows what he's talking about and isn't lying (in any given post he writes).
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The numbers are fake.

You need to look at real numbers.

For example:
1. record employment
2. Women now surpass men in the workforce!!! 50.4%!!!
3. Same numer out of work as in 2016

All of those things can't be real. Either boomers are retiring faster, or men are losing ground, or the numbers aren't the same.

https://cnsnews.com/article/national/su ... r-increase

https://www.wsj.com/articles/women-over ... 1578670615

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iwanttotalk wrote:The numbers are fake.


Like those claims by Trump during the 2016 campaign, of 40% unemployment, I suppose.

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Jumping in here. One thing ajax consistently overlooks are the disabled and/or retired population that is working for FREE by providing services to their community.

I don't like to talk about these contributions much on here but here goes anyway.

Jersey Boy who is a 100% disabled vet works two volunteer jobs. Every summer he grows veggies in a set of large raised bed planters and donates the first harvest to the food pantry he works in every week. Both are owned and operated by a local church. He's been doing this for years.

I quit my job almost 7 years ago. I never stopped working. I've provided support services online offering special needs modifications/accommodations for learning experiences to parents of children who are in spica casts and braces for short and long term periods. I also work on an adult forum for a different medical need.

This year I'm going back to work as a CVA (community victims advocate) working with children who are victims of domestic violence. I'll be giving away my experience and skill which so far as I am concerned I basically gave it away when I was being paid an unsuitable wage (even as admin) unless you count the speaking fees I commanded.

There is an entire volunteer workforce that ajax misses in his considerations. Many of us are contributing decades of experience and expertise for free to those in need.

Add to that, that we regularly donate money and materials to various causes mainly for disaster relief such as the Red Cross, Diaper Banks, etc. (the same stuff you see me publicize and push on this board) including private citizens, and this weekend I'll begin work on a project through the Animal Rescue Craft Guild with a child family member (who is also not gainfully employed) to sew pouches, wraps, etc. for bushland animals recovered from the fires in Australia. We'll be paying out of pocket for materials and shipping.

So. Just because we see a number attached to the unemployed, that doesn't mean the unemployed aren't working and contributing, and doing it at their own cost and ajax is wrong to overlook this portion of society.
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that doesn't mean the unemployed aren't working and contributing, and doing it at their own cost and ajax is wrong to overlook this portion of society.


I'd commend you for your volunteer work. There are people doing positive things with their time out there and no I don't talk about that enough.

I still don't think people should necessarily have a right to long leisurely retirements at the expense of younger generations. If you have enough money to retire than great. If you don't, you need to keep working as long as your able to do so. And everyone needs to be doing something even if your health doesn't allow you to continue in your chosen profession. Maybe one cannot work 18 hour days as he did when he was younger. Maybe he can only work part time. We still need to find a way to contribute and do what we can. I'm sure we can all think of something we'd rather be doing than working.
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canpakes wrote:
iwanttotalk wrote:The numbers are fake.


Like those claims by Trump during the 2016 campaign, of 40% unemployment, I suppose.


The numbers were fake then too. In fact the great recession was harder on men than the great depression. But since women worked their incomes supplimented a lost generation of men and boys.

The reason you don't hear about it often is feminism and propaganda. But it is there if you look.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html

that's why a certain class of people hate “tolerance and equality” because its really something else for them. Opression.

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iwanttotalk wrote:The numbers are fake.

You need to look at real numbers.

For example:
1. record employment
2. Women now surpass men in the workforce!!! 50.4%!!!
3. Same numer out of work as in 2016

All of those things can't be real. Either boomers are retiring faster, or men are losing ground, or the numbers aren't the same.

https://cnsnews.com/article/national/su ... r-increase

https://www.wsj.com/articles/women-over ... 1578670615


Of course all three of those things can be true. Think about the differences between the generation entering the workforce today for the first time and those who are retiring, both in number and composition.
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iwanttotalk wrote:that's why a certain class of people hate “tolerance and equality” because its really something else for them. Opression.

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moksha wrote:
iwanttotalk wrote:that's why a certain class of people hate “tolerance and equality” because its really something else for them. Opression.

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Yep. I’ll go get a couch and a box of tissues. BRB.

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moksha wrote:
iwanttotalk wrote:that's why a certain class of people hate “tolerance and equality” because its really something else for them. Opression.

Incels and Edgelords of the world unite!


Now do one for blacks. Ill get you started

“that's why a certain class of people hate “seperate but equal” because its really something else to them: opression.”

Go ahead. Dehumanize your sacred cows the way you do suffering white men.

Bigots are always the same. Cowards.

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iwanttotalk wrote:Bigots are always the same. Cowards.

I'm sure we all appreciate this confession. Of course I already suspected you were a coward, given the nature of your participation here. It takes balls to answer a straight question, which is why you never do it.
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How much of a whiny ____ do you have to be to think white men are now an oppressed demographic?

LOL... wow.

I'll just say: you have to be quite the ____ loser to not be able to take advantage of your white maleness.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
iwanttotalk wrote:The numbers are fake.

You need to look at real numbers.

For example:
1. record employment
2. Women now surpass men in the workforce!!! 50.4%!!!
3. Same numer out of work as in 2016

All of those things can't be real. Either boomers are retiring faster, or men are losing ground, or the numbers aren't the same.

https://cnsnews.com/article/national/su ... r-increase

https://www.wsj.com/articles/women-over ... 1578670615


Of course all three of those things can be true. Think about the differences between the generation entering the workforce today for the first time and those who are retiring, both in number and composition.

Exactly, though I don't think his point three is accurate. He seems to be referring to the labor participation rate talked about in this thread, a percentage rather than "number", and which has shifted post recession for a variety of reasons including the baby boomer generation moving into retirement with it's demographic bubble moving into non participation.
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