Premiums skyrocket under ACA

[_Bret Ripley]

I received this on Saturday. Thanks to Fox News I know the part highlighted in yellow is Obama's fault.

[_bcspace]

Premiums skyrocket under ACA

Yes, indeed they did as Gruber knew it would:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/24/jonathan-gruber-warned-of-obamacare-premium-spike-/

[_Kevin Graham]

Premiums skyrocket under ACA

Yes, indeed they did as Gruber knew it would:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/24/jonathan-gruber-warned-of-obamacare-premium-spike-/

Do you make it a point to read nothing but headlines, even in sarcastic internet posts? Pay attention to the red print. Medical premiums went down. Only Dental went up, and by a measly $8.

So now you quote the Washingtontimes???? LOL. Nuff said!

That stupid article refers to a "Gruber study" but doesn't provide the study.Gee, wonder why? It hyperlinks the name "Mr. Gruber" several times as if it were directing people to evidence, but all three links go to the same page for the washintontimes search engine. What a joke. Nowhere in that article did it provide a direct quote from the so-called "study." Hell, even the woman in the video only refers to this as an "alleged" comment by Gruber, but the article below it keeps saying it as if it were a matter of fact! Great journalism!

The reason you guys are forced to focus on the irrelevancy of Jonathan Gruber is because we now know that all your babbling and fear mongering about "skyrocketing premiums" turned out to be bogus. Obamacare has been the law for years now, and the rate of increased premiums has been going down dramatically as a result.

I laugh when I see Republicans pretend to give a flying damn about increased premiums, especially when they were skyrocketing like crazy under George Bush and every time Democrats tried to do something about it the Republicans just said, "Oh no, just let the free market handle it." Now we know your policy plan was a failure, and the Democrats proved theirs worked.

You can't deal with any of this for the same reason you can't deal with the fact that your incessant Benghazi obsessions have made you look like complete fools. So just ignore, pivot, and move on to some other bogus Right Wing point of manufactured outrage.

Incidentally, our company health insurance will change only slightly in that deductibles went from $500 to $1000. However, the company said it would cover the difference and this only kicks in when serious medical procedures like surgeries are involved; just going to the doctor for regular checkups or for minor illnesses does not apply. Thanks to Obamacare, I don't have to deal with the rate shock that was happening throughout Bush's two terms in office. I also don't have to deal with paying co-pays for preventive care. Contrary to Right Wing predictions, competition has ramped up in the exchanges and this will probably produce rate decreases for most people in the coming years. A basic free market principle operating in a private market system. All this comes from your boogeyman "Socialist" no less. LOL!

[_ldsfaqs]

As someone who worked in the Customer Service center in the last enrollment period, and might do so again this coming year, I can tell you for a fact that the majority of people who were paying for insurance before, ARE in fact paying a higher premium under ACA.

There are only certain situations such as family size and income in which they might pay less.
Further, most of the "inexpensive" plans don't cover squat. So, a low income person who didn't have insurance before, now has insurance, because they can afford one of the lower plans, but then if they actually have to use it, they pretty much don't get squat for benefits unless the costs goes into the thousands of dollars, and then insurance will start covering things. But even then, it doesn't cover alot that most might need, and they have to pay a few thousand before hand to even finally get the coverage, not including the monthly premium. Thus poor people are still in the same situation, because they don't have thousands to cover the out of pocket costs before insurance will even kick in.

It's all a shell game.... nothing but bullship just enlarging government and making things cost more for all.

[_Bret Ripley]

... and making things cost more for all.

*cough*

[_Kevin Graham]

As someone who worked in the Customer Service center in the last enrollment period, and might do so again this coming year, I can tell you for a fact that the majority of people who were paying for insurance before, ARE in fact paying a higher premium under ACA.

No, they're not. The ACA has been in place much longer than the exchanges and the rise of health care costs has dropped dramatically since it was implemented. So are you flat out lying or are you just speaking in ignorance? I guess it doesn't really matter at this point. When you can hand-wave hard facts and then opt to go with "experience" working at a customer service center," well, I'm inclined to yield the remainder of my time to my opponent in this debate. As your idiotic remarks continue to undermine your credibility and arguments.

And isn't it a bit ironic that you, of all people, would be working to help people sign up for the exchanges? Why in the world would you be involved in this when you're totally against it?

It's all a shell game.... nothing but bullship just enlarging government and making things cost more for all.

A shell game? Meaning, how the free market works since that is exactly what the exchanges are! Again, you're living in 2009 when this "government run healthcare" meme was a key talking point for the Right Wing media. But the ACA has absolutely nothing to do with "enlarging government and making things cost more for all." Rising costs were the norm but have begun to plane off since the ACA. There is no getting around that fact no matter how hard you try or lie about have inside knowledge.

[_grindael]

How do you do it, Kevin?

[_ldsfaqs]

No, they're not. The ACA has been in place much longer than the exchanges and the rise of health care costs has dropped dramatically since it was implemented. So are you flat out lying or are you just speaking in ignorance? I guess it doesn't really matter at this point. When you can hand-wave hard facts and then opt to go with "experience" working at a customer service center," well, I'm inclined to yield the remainder of my time to my opponent in this debate. As your idiotic remarks continue to undermine your credibility and arguments.

Liberals and anti-mormons like you confuse "cold hard facts" with being the same as ALL THE COLD HARD FACTS, and that is simply NEVER the case for your judgment of anything, be it Mormonism or political related and life issues.

And isn't it a bit ironic that you, of all people, would be working to help people sign up for the exchanges? Why in the world would you be involved in this when you're totally against it?

It's a job..... Conservatives don't like various long standing programs of the government that should be gotten rid of for better methods, yet we still have to work with the system, with what we have. It's a part of life that people sometimes have jobs or do things they do not like or believe in to get by. I've worked in Casino's also..... got a problem with that? (of course I strive to avoid things I don't believe in, but sometimes life is life)

A shell game? Meaning, how the free market works since that is exactly what the exchanges are! Again, you're living in 2009 when this "government run healthcare" meme was a key talking point for the Right Wing media. But the ACA has absolutely nothing to do with "enlarging government and making things cost more for all." Rising costs were the norm but have begun to plane off since the ACA. There is no getting around that fact no matter how hard you try or lie about have inside knowledge.

Kevin..... let's see if your brain can actually work.... "Who" was I ACTUALLY WORKING FOR when I had the job signing people up for the ACA???
I was ultimately working for the Federal Government, which took money from the tax payer to pay my salary.
The ACA has ALWAYS been a "stepping stone" to full run government healthcare. If you claim to be so "smart", you should know very well your liberal leaders words on this subject (when they weren't promoting the lie). Liberals knew they couldn't create a FULL run government system, so they created a "mini-version" as the first step.

So amazing how ignorant you are.

[_moksha]

Premiums skyrocket under ACA

Yes, indeed they did as Gruber knew it would:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/24/jonathan-gruber-warned-of-obamacare-premium-spike-/

You are now denigrating the miracle of capitalism to score points against Obamacare? All change brings the opportunity to charge more.

[_Some Schmo]

It's true, the ACA has made premiums go up from $0 to more than $0 for some people.

And because of this, these people are now are saddled with health insurance.

Stupid Obama.