Droopy wrote:
So, if the British had conquered and re-established rule over the American colonies, its your contention that they would not have confiscated all guns and other military equipment?
The point of my post was people's
narratives can distort their reading of history.
Sarah Palin said that Paul Revere "warned the British that they weren’t going to be takin’ away our arms.."
Paul Revere was riding to warn John Adams and John Hancock they they were about to be arrested. Warning the British that we were armed and knew of their plans would have been counter-productive.
My point was
not that the principles that drive Sarah Palin's narrative were correct or incorrect. My point was that she let her narrative cloud her understanding of what actually happened. Paul Revere did not ride to warn the British that we were armed.
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Tea Party rallies showed Obama’s visage with a Hitlerian bottle brush moustache.
For the record, let me say that I do not believe the Tea Party Leadership believes that Obama is the reincarnation of Der Fuhrer. I should have said that "
Signs at Tea Party rallies" rather than just "Tea Party Rallies".
But though you seem outraged that the image of the Tea Party would be tarnished by mentioning that there were Hitlerian posters of Obama at their rallies, you seem very comfortable with the idea that ACORN operates as Obama's Brown Shirts:"
Exactly what they've always been, in point of fact.."
Webster's definition of Brownshirt:
: nazi; especially : storm trooperSo, it's offensive to assume the Tea Party is comparing Obama to Hitler, but ACORN has always been his Army of Brownshirts?
By the way, ACORN was formed in 1970. So they have been Obama's Army since he was nine? What a precocious, prescient little boy he must have been!
As for 'Death Panels', of which you say:
We know they exist, and the Obamacare legislation contains them. This is public knowledge."Joseph Goebbels:
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."This is a classic example of narrative versus history. "We
know death panels exist"? in 2009 PolitiFact called 'Death Panels' the "Lie of the Year" and Factcheck.Org called it one of 2009's "Whoppers".
If you 'know' they exist, where is your documentation? Please, share it with the world. Otherwise, refer to the quote from Goebbels above.
MeDotOrg wrote:
The narrative being spun was that Obama was a fascist.
Droopy wrote:
He's a transformational socialist, and has his policies have utilized both socialist and fascist approaches to governance and to destabilizing and crippling mediating institutions of society that stand between the individual and the state. Both fascism and socialism are manifestations of the Left and its general, overarching tendencies.
I would give the same answer I gave ldsfaqs in a previous post, when he contended that "Maxism, Communism, Socialism, Facism all stem from the same ideological well of thought.":
Have you ever heard of the Abraham Lincoln Brigade? The Spanish Civil War? Investigate the relationship between Fritz Thyssen and Adolf Hitler. It may give you a warm fuzzy feeling about right-wing industrialists backing charismatic speakers, then again it may not.
Hitler DID promise to lower taxes, raise defense spending, abolish Trade Unions, collective bargaining and the right to strike. Doesn't sound much like Obama, but I could have
sworn I've heard something like that recently...
Yes, Communism and Fascism are similar in that they are not democratic and value the collective over the individual. And the Nation of Islam and the LDS Church are similar in that they are Abrahamic religions founded by Americans, and both have narratives where skin color plays a prominent role. I don't think that makes them blood brothers.
The nearly 20,000,000 Russians killed by Germans in World War II might not be so quick to poo-poo the differences between Fascism and Communism.
Droopy wrote:
The point is that the bundle of sticks is a metaphor to the nature of society - an organic collective - the sine qua non of all grand leftist ideological visions, and the nemesis of the classic liberal, and gospel vision.
Again, I would point out the words 'E Pluribus Unum', meaning 'Out of many, one'. Out of many sticks you form one bundle. The fasces is a physical expression of 'E Pluriibus Unum', which was on the original Seal of the United States. Is your contention that the US has always been on the road to Fascism?
"Classic liberal and gospel vision"? Must admit, I hadn't heard that one before. I offer a quote from John Winthrop, Governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, and author of the 'city on a hill' quote that Ronald Reagan continually misquoted as 'shining city on a hill':
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...we must be knit together in this work as one man, we must entertain each other in brotherly affection, we must be willing to abridge our selves of our superfluities for the supply of others' necessities. We must uphold a familiar commerce together in all meekness, gentleness, patience and liberality. We must delight in each other, make others' conditions our own, rejoice together, mourn together, labor, and suffer together, always having before our eyes our commission and community in the work, our community as members of the same body.
Sounds more like a "Transitional Socialist" to me! Or, in the words of a hymn I was taught as a child:
No man is an Island
No man stands alone
Each man's joy is joy to me
Each man's grief is my own
In some circles it is now believed that ALL individualism is good and ALL collectivism is evil. I would argue that what is needed is balance.
Droopy wrote:
Cable news, talk radio, and especially the Internet have created a vast democratization of information that was unthinkable before the nineties
I
welcome the democratization of information. I think it is healthy to be exposed to different points of view. My point is that people tend to filter out information that doesn't conform to their worldview.