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 Post subject: Obama the Socialist: Can't hide it.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:09 pm 
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In 2009, WND reported on newspaper evidence from the New Party’s own literature listing several new members of the New Party, including Obama.

At the time, Obama’s camp categorically denied he was ever a member of the New Party, which sought to elect members to public office with the aim of moving the Democratic Party far leftward to ultimately form a new political party with a socialist agenda.

The denial came amid reports of Obama’s participation with the party, including several articles by WND.

WND also conducted an exclusive interview with Marxist activist Carl Davidson, a founder of the New Party, who recounted Obama’s participation.

Last week, researcher and author Stanley Kurtz, writing at National Review Online, reported on documentation from the updated records of Illinois ACORN at the Wisconsin Historical Society that “definitively establishes” that Obama was a member of the New Party.

Kurtz reported Obama also signed a “contract” promising to publicly support and associate himself with the New Party while in office.

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While Obama’s campaign in 2008 denied the then–presidential candidate was ever an actual member of the New Party, print copies of the New Party News, the party’s official newspaper, show Obama posing with New Party leaders, listing him as a New Party member and printing quotes from him as a member.

The party’s spring 1996 newspaper boasted: “New Party members won three other primaries this Spring in Chicago: Barack Obama (State Senate), Michael Chandler (Democratic Party Committee) and Patricia Martin (Cook County Judiciary).”

The paper quoted Obama saying, “These victories prove that small ‘d’ democracy can work.”

The newspaper lists other politicians it endorsed who were not members but specifies Obama as a New Party member.

New Ground, the newsletter of Chicago’s Democratic Socialists of America, reported in its July/August 1996 edition that Obama attended a New Party membership meeting April 11, 1996, in which he expressed his gratitude for the group’s support and “encouraged NPers (New Party members) to join in his task forces on voter education and voter registration.”

http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/socialist-party-covering-up-obamas-membership/

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 Post subject: Re: Obama the Socialist: Can't hide it.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:16 am 
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bcspace, instead of trying to blame Obama for everything you feel is wrong with America, why don't you start a thread listing everything Bush got right?

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 Post subject: Re: Obama the Socialist: Can't hide it.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:39 am 
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Why Do Poor White People Think President Obama is a Socialist/Communist/Marxist?

Stranger than the actual claim that an elite bourgeois like Barack Obama is really a Communist -- is who is making that claim. Or at least repeating it ad nauseum. Sure, the charge is made by bourgeois media personalities like Glenn "Mr. Potato Head" Beck and Rush "can I have some more Oxi" Limbaugh, but President Obama's alleged Communism seems to be repeated more belligerently by that segment of society we sometimes (less charitably) refer to as white trash.

 

Do poor white people really think President Obama is a Communist/Socialist/Marxist? Do they even know what a Communist believes? Are they merely parroting right-wing pundits? My theory answers "No" to all of these questions.

 

I think that these people, those who claim that Obama is a socialist, are racist and simply can't stomach the idea that President Obama has succeeded and risen within the capitalist system well beyond their ability. One example (of many) I am thinking of resides in the godforsaken region of the godforsaken state of Utah: Utah County, and will never be able to afford a luxury car or mansion, could never dream of being elected to public office, would never ever have been able to attend Harvard. Despite these painful slaps to the face, they maintain a love for Capitalism and believe (for some reason) that if they endure the oppression maybe one day they will rise above their current social status. So how to reconcile a black democrat beating them so badly, in this capitalist game? Well, he must not be playing the same game. If Capitalism is like economic Darwinism, as capitalists like to pretend, then President Obama is the current winner. He has bested these white people at what they think is their own game. I can't imagine that sitting well with those already predisposed to hating the President because of his skin color. Sure, George W. Bush has also bested them -- but it is an easier pill to swallow considering the Bush family legacy. Plus, he's white.

 

Forget that President Obama has admitted to being a capitalist:

 

"Contrary to the claims of some of my critics, I am an ardent believer in the free market."

 

The definitive source of Communist theory, Karl Marx:

 

"...the bourgeoisie has at last, since the establishment of Modern Industry and of the world-market, conquered for itself, in the modern representative State, exclusive political sway. The executive of the modern State is but a committee for managing the common affairs of the whole bourgeoisie."

 

If Marx was alive today, he would criticize Obama as a representative of the interests of the bourgeoisie and American Capitalism, not endorse him as a fellow comrade.

 

Sometimes people will, unfortunately, try to point at certain regulations or government interventions in our economy as evidence of President Obama's Communist ways. I say 'unfortunately' because anyone that knows anything about Communism knows that regulating aspects of a capitalist economy does not come close to an act of Communism, but it doesn't seem to stop the reactionaries from saying it.

 

Marxism is about the proletariat - bourgeoisie struggle. They fail to acknowledge that Obama is bourgeois, part of the "ruling" class, because they refuse to admit that Obama has so successfully exemplified their Holy economic system; Capitalism, and has done better than they ever will within its confines. 

 

How can these people be so uninformed, and vocal at the same time? That is nothing new, unfortunately.

 

Are we afraid to call idiocy and gross ignorance for what it is, when it involves the C word, in fear of being labeled a Communist too? Despite the apparent unanimous misunderstanding of what Marxism is in this country, I am not afraid to be lumped in with the Communists. Despite living in a hegemony, and the fact that even the poor (for whom the Communists wish to liberate!) seem to love living under the oppressive thumb of the bourgeoisie, I will not shy away from the label Marxist, or Communist, or even Socialist. We can't let the ignorance of others dictate how we identify and define ourselves.


Next time you hear the stupid charge: "Obama is a Marxist/Communist/Socialist" ask "Why?". "What makes President Obama a Communist?"


And, if you think they have a few brain cells to rub together, ask what it is that makes Communism such a dirty word in America today. As someone who has studied Marx and Engels, who identifies with the Communist movement, I admit I am unable to grasp why these people have such animosity towards a movement that even Jesus Christ (historical or allegorical) seemed to advocate for.
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 Post subject: Re: Obama the Socialist: Can't hide it.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:16 pm 
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That was then. But now, sitting in the White House is a man who has spent most of his entire life immersed in Marxist ideology, influences, mentors and benefactors. He has proven, as president, that he is still fully committed to dragging America – kicking and screaming if necessary (recall the outrageous and illegal way Obamacare was passed) – into a new era of unprecedented, government-coerced redistribution of wealth and power. To be precise: Marxism.

America's Marxist picnic


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bcspace, instead of trying to blame Obama for everything you feel is wrong with America, why don't you start a thread listing everything Bush got right?


Obama is simply a Democratic culmination of what's wrong with America. Therefore, Bush did just about everything right compared to Obama. He fought two wars and spent far less money. The economy under Bush was far better, enjoying seven relatively good years whereas Obama can't manage one.

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 Post subject: Re: Obama the Socialist: Can't hide it.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:35 am 
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[Obama]Contrary to the claims of some of my critics, I am an ardent believer in the free market."
Eric, do you believe everything a politician says. Obama was in favor of gay marriage in 1996. He was against it in 2008. He's in favor of it in 2012. Are you aware of Stanley Kurtz's recent discovery about Obama's ties to the New Party. Are you aware of what John Drew said were Obama's beliefs at Occidental.
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Marxism is about the proletariat - bourgeoisie struggle. They fail to acknowledge that Obama is bourgeois, part of the "ruling" class, because they refuse to admit that Obama has so successfully exemplified their Holy economic system; Capitalism, and has done better than they ever will within its confines.
Sigh, Engels was a bourgeois. It's funny reading Marxists explain that. Rich people can advocate Marxism. One of my teachers at the University of Chicago used to joke about 9-5 Marxists. They are Marxists in class and then go off on their boats.


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 Post subject: Re: Obama the Socialist: Can't hide it.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:46 am 
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Sigh, Engels was a bourgeois. It's funny reading Marxists explain that. Rich people can advocate Marxism. One of my teachers at the University of Chicago used to joke about 9-5 Marxists. They are Marxists in class and then go off on their boats.


Was Engels the head of a capitalist state, too?

Yes, there are wealthy people that are Marxists. Marxism is not viewed by its subscribers like the followers of crazy Christian cults, they don't need to sell all of their possessions and wander the country like Johnny Appleseed preaching from Das Capital.

So what?

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Are you aware of Stanley Kurtz's recent discovery about Obama's ties to the New Party.


Oh brother. No, I have not but last time I checked, Obama was tied to the Democratic Party, which is just as "free-market" controlled as the Republican Party is. Is President Obama a double agent for the New Party (whatever that is)?


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 Post subject: Re: Obama the Socialist: Can't hide it.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:57 pm 
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Oh no! There is a rumor that the president may have been more liberal in his youth! (That's right, the same president who has been governing from center-right.) How can that be? Call out the citizen militia!

You know, back in my college days, I not only voted for Reagan, but I attended rallies for him and for Orrin Hatch. A couple of years later, I was voting Libertarian. (Hey, I even supported the Vietnam war at one time.) I suppose bcspace can now assert that I am a secret member of the John Birch Society, because the important thing about a person is the movements he experimented with in his youth.


Now if anyone could direct me to statements, verified to be made by Obama, that promote his recent belief that "the people" should control the means of production and distribution of goods (socialism)?

How about something stating his desire or plans to overthrow capitalism?

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:36 pm 
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