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 Post subject: The Romney bullying story really bugs me
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 11:11 am 
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It probably shouldn't bug me, because he was a kid, and we all did stupid things as a kid. This kind of thing shows a person's character, and I really hope he has changed.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la ... 0513.story

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But it is the story involving John Lauber, described as “a soft-spoken new student one year behind Romney … walking around the all-boys school with bleached-blond hair that draped over one eye” that may cause problems for the former governor. After Romney rounded up some friends, including Matthew Friedmann, who gave his version of the story to the Post, “they came upon Lauber, tackled him and pinned him to the ground. As Lauber, his eyes filling with tears, screamed for help, Romney repeatedly clipped his hair with a pair of scissors.”

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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 11:25 am 
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I'm pretty sure he has changed since then. There is a guy in my parents stake that is good friends with Mitt. They were mission companions with each other and have kept in contact ever since. From his perspective he thinks Mitt is a real nice guy.

I knew someone else that was related to him. She had nothing but good things to say about him as well.

Anybody else here know him personally or through friends?


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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 12:05 pm 
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It probably shouldn't bug me, because he was a kid, and we all did stupid things as a kid. This kind of thing shows a person's character, and I really hope he has changed.

This story really bothered me, too. Mitt's claim that he was simply a "prankster" does not excuse this extreme form of cruelty, imo. He comes across as a real bully toward those considered "weak." I'm sure he's changed with age (haven't we all?), but this story gives a real view into the core of his character, and it ain't pretty ....

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He put a dog in a pet carrier and drove for 12 hrs in 1984, 19 years after this story happened. I think he evolved from homophobic bully to heartless towards animals. Later he'd go onto a fine career in vulture capitalism. What a swell guy.

Oh in 1981 he launched his boat after he knew he was breaking the law when warned by an officer. His defense was that his kids wanted to go boating. Willful disobedience of a police officer Mitt?

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My former mission president was in his stake. He relates that Mitt was nearby the house of one of the families that he (Mitt) home taught. Well, the house had caught on fire and the fire department hadn't arrived yet. Mitt ran into the house, going from room to room (as much as possible) to be sure that all the occupants were either absent or had exited the house, then ran downstairs and saved a family heirloom before finally running out of the burning house himself.

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Well, at least he didn't inhale.

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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 12:23 pm 
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I find it troublesome that he doesn't remember an incident in high school where his friends pinned down a younger classmate, while he cut his hair.

One can only conclude that Mitt must have engaged in this sort of thing on a regular basis.


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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 12:27 pm 
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My former mission president was in his stake. He relates that Mitt was nearby the house of one of the families that he (Mitt) home taught. Well, the house had caught on fire and the fire department hadn't arrived yet. Mitt ran into the house, going from room to room (as much as possible) to be sure that all the occupants were either absent or had exited the house, then ran downstairs and saved a family heirloom before finally running out of the burning house himself.


For real? Because I just googled it and am pretty sure this story would have popped up.

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Dr. Shades wrote:
My former mission president was in his stake. He relates that Mitt was nearby the house of one of the families that he (Mitt) home taught. Well, the house had caught on fire and the fire department hadn't arrived yet. Mitt ran into the house, going from room to room (as much as possible) to be sure that all the occupants were either absent or had exited the house, then ran downstairs and saved a family heirloom before finally running out of the burning house himself.


For real? Because I just googled it and am pretty sure this story would have popped up.


Silly, Mitt's too modest to tell a story like that about himself and nobody from that ward wanted to toot his horn, either.

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Silly, Mitt's too modest to tell a story like that about himself and nobody from that ward wanted to toot his horn, either.


Mormons are by their very nature modest. Being part of the One True Church allows them to be that way.

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It probably shouldn't bug me, because he was a kid, and we all did stupid things as a kid. This kind of thing shows a person's character, and I really hope he has changed.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la ... 0513.story

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But it is the story involving John Lauber, described as “a soft-spoken new student one year behind Romney … walking around the all-boys school with bleached-blond hair that draped over one eye” that may cause problems for the former governor. After Romney rounded up some friends, including Matthew Friedmann, who gave his version of the story to the Post, “they came upon Lauber, tackled him and pinned him to the ground. As Lauber, his eyes filling with tears, screamed for help, Romney repeatedly clipped his hair with a pair of scissors.”


He was a minor at the time -- why would it bug you? This is a hit piece. I expect all kinds of stories like this to be drug out during the campaign, but we never get real stories about Obama's youth. Maybe they should do a little more investigative reporting there. Does the fact Obama was doing drugs in high school and college bother you? Some drugs can cause permanent brain damage ...


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DarkHelmet is a fence-sitter and his seed likely mixed with Cain or else he would have no problem with the bullying incident.

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It shows he was a douche in high school, but peer pressure + incomplete brain development in teenagers leads them to do all kinds of stupid things.

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He was a minor at the time -- why would it bug you? This is a hit piece. I expect all kinds of stories like this to be drug out during the campaign, but we never get real stories about Obama's youth. Maybe they should do a little more investigative reporting there. Does the fact Obama was doing drugs in high school and college bother you? Some drugs can cause permanent brain damage ...


In 1965 Romney would have been 18 (or nearly 18) and thus adult. He could have gone to Vietnam if he'd wanted to for Pete's sake.

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In truth, most LDS would probably see bullying a common practice here--message board bullying. I guess sometimes bullies don't realize they are the aggressors. I think I heard that before...some survey saying kids who complain about bullying are often seen by other kids as the bullies.

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In truth, most LDS would probably see bullying a common practice here--message board bullying. I guess sometimes bullies don't realize they are the aggressors. I think I heard that before...some survey saying kids who complain about bullying are often seen by other kids as the bullies.

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Do you plan to apologize for bullying John Dehlin?

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In 1965 Romney would have been 18 (or nearly 18) and thus adult. He could have gone to Vietnam if he'd wanted to for Pete's sake.


He didn't go to Vietnam?
Really?

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In 1965 Romney would have been 18 (or nearly 18) and thus adult. He could have gone to Vietnam if he'd wanted to for Pete's sake.


He didn't go to Vietnam?
Really?


Nah. Had to go to France and serve out a time share on a chateau or something.

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In truth, most LDS would probably see bullying a common practice here--message board bullying. I guess sometimes bullies don't realize they are the aggressors. I think I heard that before...some survey saying kids who complain about bullying are often seen by other kids as the bullies.

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Are we sure Mitt is a US citizen?

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He was a minor at the time -- why would it bug you? This is a hit piece. I expect all kinds of stories like this to be drug out during the campaign, but we never get real stories about Obama's youth. Maybe they should do a little more investigative reporting there. Does the fact Obama was doing drugs in high school and college bother you? Some drugs can cause permanent brain damage ...


I don't like Obama. But how does Obama's behavior excuse Mitt's? I understand kids do stupid things, and we grow older and mature, but Mitt's response is discouraging. He said "if anybody was hurt by that or offended, obviously I apologize for that." I have a knee jerk negative reaction to that type of apology. He also claims to not remember the incident, yet everyone else involved, including his minions, remember it vividly and are still bothered by it today. One of the witnesses to the assault ran into the victim at an airport decades later and apologized for not doing more to help. He never forgot the incident, yet it must not have been that big of a deal to Mitt. I wish he would have said something like, "I deeply regret my behavior in my youth. What I did was wrong. I believe I am better person today." Don't say you are sorry people are offended.

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