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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:57 am 
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Isn't this really about form and process? Trump the buffoon, clumsy idiot, who cannot control what comes out of his mouth at times, directly asks foreign leaders to investigate an opponent when he should have had layers between him and the actual petition. What he should have done is what the Clinton campaign did to start off the russiagate thing. Have Nellie Ohr, who worked for the firm (fusion gps) hired to get dirt on Trump in the form of the debunked "dossier" go to her husband, Bruce Ohr (#5 in the Obama Justice Department) and give him the flimsy opposition research in hopes he will initiate the investigation into an opponent. Layering gives plausible deniability and yet gets the investigation into an opponent going.

It never stops with this guy...

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At least you didn't try and paint me as a 4chan'er for pushing back a little on the political orgy going on here. You know the Barr investigation rolls on and a member of congress referred Nellie Ohr to the justice department because she lied to congress. https://meadows.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=3029 Cue the "walls closing in ....."

I'm sure the still unnamed whistleblower with his second hand knowledge didn't come forward because of Barr's investigation. Or perhaps it is a misdirection play given to the democrats on a silver platter by the bumbling Trump?

Here is an article, for those interested, that tries to get at the heart of what is really going on.

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/10/08/the-new-yorkers-partisan-attempt-to-refute-its-claim-of-partisan-disinformation-on-biden-and-ukraine/

Investigate Trump, but investigate Biden and the other republicans for what they did in the aftermath of our coup in the Ukraine. Better still, how about we look at our history of attacking other countries or manipulating their elections so our corporations can enter and steal resources?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:06 pm 
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Better still, how about we look at our history of attacking other countries or manipulating their elections so our corporations can enter and steal resources?

This part, at least, of what you said, I have no doubt about. This history of our government attacking other countries, manipulating their elections and/or engineering coups to replace duly elected leaders by absolute despots willing to kowtow to avaricious American corporations for their own selfish interests, is as bad or worse than anything we have accused the Russians under Putin of attempting to do to us in the 2016 election. But even if everything said in the quoted article is true about the Trump/Ukraine affair being overblown, Trump is still revealed as being both corrupt and stupid, and worthy of impeachment. I think it would be tragic if it turned out that impeachment of Trump failed because of overemphasis on this one accusation to the exclusion of most or all of the other provable and impeachable offenses of which Trump is guilty.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:53 pm 
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Better still, how about we look at our history of attacking other countries or manipulating their elections so our corporations can enter and steal resources?

This part, at least, of what you said, I have no doubt about. This history of our government attacking other countries, manipulating their elections and/or engineering coups to replace duly elected leaders by absolute despots willing to kowtow to avaricious American corporations for their own selfish interests, is as bad or worse than anything we have accused the Russians under Putin of attempting to do to us in the 2016 election. But even if everything said in the quoted article is true about the Trump/Ukraine affair being overblown, Trump is still revealed as being both corrupt and stupid, and worthy of impeachment. I think it would be tragic if it turned out that impeachment of Trump failed because of overemphasis on this one accusation to the exclusion of most or all of the other provable and impeachable offenses of which Trump is guilty.


I'm sure Trump will get voted out, hopefully. I tread lightly on this next thing because of a backlash potential, but I think at this point, the impeachment case is weaker than what is needed to convince the senate to convict (that should be an obvious point). So, what I think it'll turn out to be, barring some new evidence, is a partisan food fight that doesn't excite the public and may turn them off leading to lower voter turnout that always benefits republicans. The public wants changes to healthcare, it wants to end the wars, and it wants jobs, jobs, jobs. Impeachment won't deliver on that. It's the economy stupid and I fear the real issues will get drowned out by the weak impeachment case that may help Trump in the end. Clinton gained in popularity playing the victim. Trump is too pompous to be good at victimhood but he could make some headway with the same voters that put him in office by attacking the "deep state" or whatever democrat boogeyman he sees. The economic, healthcare, and war issues will sink him, but they may not get a fair hearing. So, I think impeachment is a mistake if it drowns out the issues and I am afraid that is what will happen, giving Trump a better chance in 2020 than he should have otherwise.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 3:58 pm 
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It may be true that the impeachment case for Trump is too weak for conviction, but only because, I suspect, that at this moment in time, almost anything short of Trump walking out of the Whitehouse with a gun and going on a shooting rampage on Pennsylvania Avenue will not be enough to convince the current Republican controlled Senate to vote for conviction with the required 2/3 majority. I think, though, that as more evidence of Trump's misdeeds and corruption continue to accumulate, more Republicans will become increasingly disillusioned about Trump.

I think it even more likely that public disapproval of Trump will continue to grow to the point that the current Republican Congress critters perceive a threat to their own re-electability if they continue to reject the impeachment of Trump, despite the continuing support of Trump's too slowly shrinking, sycophantic, fanatical base.

Besides that, given Trump's history of getting away with past peccadillos, refusal to listen to anyone's advice other than his own, and tendency to "push the envelope" to ever greater extremes after every time he perceives a victory, there is little doubt in my mind that before the next election, he will pull something so outrageous and extreme that even the current crop of Republican Senators will feel they have no choice but to agree to his impeachment and removal from office, if they hope to save their own political careers.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:54 pm 
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Gunnar wrote:
It may be true that the impeachment case for Trump is too weak for conviction, but only because, I suspect, that at this moment in time, almost anything short of Trump walking out of the Whitehouse with a gun and going on a shooting rampage on Pennsylvania Avenue will not be enough to convince the current Republican controlled Senate to vote for conviction with the required 2/3 majority. I think, though, that as more evidence of Trump's misdeeds and corruption continue to accumulate, more Republicans will become increasingly disillusioned about Trump.


If I had to bet, at this point I think we're far enough along that Trump could not so subtly imply he wants Adam Schiff assassinated, have one of this followers get the hint, and not be impeached. He is almost entirely above the law.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:22 pm 
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If I had to bet, at this point I think we're far enough along that Trump could not so subtly imply he wants Adam Schiff assassinated, have one of this followers get the hint, and not be impeached. He is almost entirely above the law.

I have thought about that too, and fear you are probably right. I would be horrified if it happened, but not greatly surprised.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:55 pm 
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It's not Carte Blanche power…


According to the Supreme Court decision in Nixon v. United States, it is carte blanche power. Congress can conduct impeachment proceedings however it wants, within the bare-bones rules laid out in the Constitution, and the judiciary cannot review those proceedings. Moreover, the handwaving about cross-examining witnesses, etc., wouldn't even make sense if judicial rules about evidence applied, because the House of Representatives' job in impeachment is equivalent to indictment, not trial, which takes place in the Senate. Reporters asked White House if it would cooperate with the House if it conducted the proceedings the way the White House wants them to; there was no reply. In other words, they're simply making up garbage excuses and would use a different one if the House did things differently.

The White House's second excuse, that impeachment amounts to overturning the results of an election, implies that no elected official can be impeached at all. The Constitution says otherwise, so this excuse is even worse garbage.

The third argument, that Trump did nothing wrong, would be beside the point even if it were true. When you're being prosecuted for a crime, you may think you did nothing wrong, but you make that argument in court, which in this case corresponds to the Senate trial. You don't get to ignore subpoenas just 'cuz.

The White House's arguments are, legally speaking, nonsense.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:27 pm 
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At least you didn't try and paint me as a 4chan'er for pushing back a little on the political orgy going on here.

Good point. There must be some dividing line between 4chan and say anything. Who says starting false fires to mask the gun smoke at the Trump artillery line will not work? Remember, the best defense is an unending barrage of offense and no one can be quite as offensive at Trump Republicans.

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It's not Carte Blanche power…


According to the Supreme Court decision in Nixon v. United States, it is carte blanche power. Congress can conduct impeachment proceedings however it wants, within the bare-bones rules laid out in the Constitution, and the judiciary cannot review those proceedings. Moreover, the handwaving about cross-examining witnesses, etc., wouldn't even make sense if judicial rules about evidence applied, because the House of Representatives' job in impeachment is equivalent to indictment, not trial, which takes place in the Senate. Reporters asked White House if it would cooperate with the House if it conducted the proceedings the way the White House wants them to; there was no reply. In other words, they're simply making up garbage excuses and would use a different one if the House did things differently.

The White House's second excuse, that impeachment amounts to overturning the results of an election, implies that no elected official can be impeached at all. The Constitution says otherwise, so this excuse is even worse garbage.

The third argument, that Trump did nothing wrong, would be beside the point even if it were true. When you're being prosecuted for a crime, you may think you did nothing wrong, but you make that argument in court, which in this case corresponds to the Senate trial. You don't get to ignore subpoenas just 'cuz.

The White House's arguments are, legally speaking, nonsense.


I think your legal analysis is spot on.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:04 pm 
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At least you didn't try and paint me as a 4chan'er for pushing back a little on the political orgy going on here.

Good point. There must be some dividing line between 4chan and say anything. Who says starting false fires to mask the gun smoke at the Trump artillery line will not work? Remember, the best defense is an unending barrage of offense and no one can be quite as offensive at Trump Republicans.


The complaints I saw about 4chan were directed at a poster who has Clown Pepe as his avatar and was posting /pol/ memes.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:29 am 
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One of the reasons it may be harder to impeach Trump than it would have been to impeach Nixon is the difference in their respective vice presidents.

What Gerald Ford had that Mike Pence doesn't.

Here are some highlights from this article by Matthew Rozsa:
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This is as good a place as any to examine the similarities and differences between Ford and Pence. Both men are Midwesterners (Ford from Michigan, Pence from Indiana) with extensive political experience and a reputation for being cool-headed and affable. Each one is definitely "establishment" in terms of their standing within the institutional Republican Party itself, and both have avoided developing too many deep personal enmities despite their extensive political careers.

On the other hand, Ford was an ideological moderate (arguably the last GOP president deserving of the term), while Pence was the most right-wing vice presidential nominee in 40 years when Trump picked him. Ford had a squeaky clean reputation, while Pence has a major corruption scandal in his own past and owes his very selection as Trump's vice president to the intervention of former campaign manager Paul Manafort, who has since been disgraced (Ford didn't even become Nixon's vice president until Nixon's initial vice president, Spiro Agnew, resigned).

All of this means that, while Ford was well-poised to heal the nation upon inheriting power in 1974 (and his approval ratings were quite high until his controversial decision to pardon Nixon), Pence would likely face more of an uphill battle.

While I have no idea whether Pence, like Ford, believes that his boss is doomed, I suspect that he shares Ford's trepidation about being perceived as adding fuel to the fire of the president's scandals. The reason is obvious: He'd be the major beneficiary if Trump left the Oval Office.

Is Pence in the right for doing this? Maybe.

While it's valuable to not be viewed as a Machiavellian schemer, Pence risks swinging too far in the other direction and being perceived as part of the same set of problems that are being created by Trump and Trumpism. If Trump needs to resign, Americans will have to turn to Pence to restore faith in the American government. That will not be possible if Pence is viewed as an extension of the corruption that took down Trump, rather than an antidote to it.


Added to this is that if Trump is impeachable for what he did, Pence, who sycophantically supported and could be perceived as helping to enable Trump's misbehavior and corruption, might be held just as deserving of impeachment as Trump himself, which would make Nancy Pelosi the next in line for the Presidency. It's hard to imagine anything the Republicans wouldn't do to prevent that from happening!

Of course, another major difference, probably the most important one, is that in Nixon's case, both Republicans and Democrats agreed that he ought to be impeached.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:21 am 
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Holy crap.

This short video summarizes the epitome of hypocrisy coming from the GOP.

https://twitter.com/RepMarkTakano/statu ... o0NDaJQw20

Gowdy, Graham and Gingrich all said in the past that what Trump is now doing is an impeachable offense.

But now that the culprit has an R after his name, suddenly it becomes nonsense to even think about impeaching.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:53 am 
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Since Mulvaney became Chief of Staff, 'Let Trump be Trump' has become the operating principle of the Trump White House.

I think it will spell his doom. Trump trapped in a viscous circle: The more he plays to his base, the more he alienates all the other voters. His base is becoming smaller and more shrill. But his base still controls the Republican Party.

The battleground impeachment voters are in districts with enough Democrat and Independent voters push hard against a Republican incumbent. More and more Republicans will find themselves stuck upon the horns of a dilemma: The ideological purity test necessary to win a Republican Primary could doom the candidate in a general election.

A Fox news poll now shows 51% of Americans favor not just an investigation, but the President's removal from office. These numbers spell huge problems for the President this early in the impeachment process. The President claims the impeachment process is illegitimate. Article 1 Section 5 of the Constitution gives the sole power of impeachment to the House of Representatives. The more the President refuses to cooperate, the clearer it becomes that he wishes to ignore the Constitution. And as that dynamic plays out in public, I think you will see further erosion of support.

Will there be a moment of critical mass, where some piece of evidence or some tactic of Trump suddenly changes the game? It's a huge unknown variable. But even absent some bombshell, we are watching the oldest of Greek tragedies, where character equals destiny. Or perhaps the greatest example of the Peter Principle in American history.

As long as he was a celebrity game show host with a real estate empire, he could get away with his behavior, spinning an image that didn't hold up well under scrutiny. The Presidency of the United States requires different standards of behavior. The very idea of checks and balances is an anathema to the President. His claims about the power of the Executive Branch are becoming more and more extreme.

I keep going back to a line from Trump's inaugural speech:

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At the bedrock of our politics will be a total allegiance to the United States of America. Through our loyalty to our country, we will rediscover our loyalty to each other.

Donald Trump conflates personal loyalty with loyalty to the country. Ultimately the choice will be Trump or the Constitution.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:55 pm 
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It's nice knowing that there are at least a few Republicans who actually have intelligence, values, and the balls to stand up for what is right. A great example is the group "Checks & Balances," which is composed of a group of high-powered conservative lawyers. Today they issued the following press release:

Statement from co-founders and additional members of Checks & Balances:

In the past several weeks, it has become clear to any observer of current events that the president is abusing the office of the presidency for personal political objectives. Although new facts are being revealed on a daily basis, the following are undisputed, to date:

1) In a July 25, 2019, telephone call with the president of Ukraine – a summary of which has been released by the White House – the president requested “a favor” in the context of a discussion of Ukrainian security matters. Specifically, immediately after President Zelensky thanked the president “in the area of defense” and indicated a readiness to buy additional armaments consistent with a U.S. defense proposal, President Trump asked for “a favor.” The favor was to investigate a baseless theory relating to the 2016 investigation into Russian interference in the U.S. election. The U.S. president further requested that the Ukrainian president coordinate the requested investigation with both his personal attorney and the Attorney General of the United States, presenting both a blurring of lines between personal legal representation and official U.S. government business, and, the appearance of inappropriate politicization of the Office of the Attorney General. He then requested, additionally, that the Ukrainian government look into allegations relating to his Democratic presidential opponent, Joe Biden, saying “There’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.”

2) Between July and September 2019, the Acting Ambassador to Ukraine, Bill Taylor, the (former) State Department Special Envoy to Ukraine, Kurt Volker, and the Ambassador to the European Union, Gordon Sondland, exchanged a series of telephone calls and text messages revealing that U.S. diplomats were involved in negotiating an exchange involving a White House meeting and foreign aid on one hand, and a Ukrainian investigation into a meritless allegation involving former Vice President Joe Biden, on the other hand. The text messages reveal that U.S. diplomats were seeking from President Zelensky an assurance that “he will help [the] investigation” while concurrently negotiating a “visit to Washington” and “security assistance.” These circumstances led career Ambassador Taylor to communicate that in his judgment it was “crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign.” These facts are derived from text messages provided to the House of Representatives in connection with the deposition of former Special Envoy Volker and have been released publicly.

3) On October 3, 2019, the president stood in front of U.S. press cameras outside the White House and said, “China should start an investigation into the Bidens because what happened in China is just about as bad as what happened with Ukraine.” The president’s statement was broadcast widely.

A president takes the following oath of office:

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

We believe the acts revealed publicly over the past several weeks are fundamentally incompatible with the president’s oath of office, his duties as commander in chief, and his constitutional obligation to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed.” These acts, based on what has been revealed to date, are a legitimate basis for an expeditious impeachment investigation, vote in the House of Representatives and potential trial in the Senate. Additional evidence that was detailed in the Special Counsel’s Report, related matters of foreign emoluments, and persistent obstructive activities should also inform these proceedings. In addition, given that some of the critical facts under consideration by the Congress have been facilitated by a complaint presented to the Inspector General of the U.S. Intelligence Community, any efforts by U.S. government personnel to inappropriately pressure, intimidate or expose the whistleblower or future whistleblowers who follow the procedures provided by law are contrary to the norms of a society that adheres to the rule of law.

As we said in an April 2019 statement, “free and fair elections, without foreign interference, are at the heart of a healthy democracy.” The Special Counsel’s report revealed, among other things, that the Trump 2016 campaign was open to and enthusiastic about receiving Russian government-facilitated assistance to gain an advantage in the previous election. The report was not only an exposition, it was a warning. The present circumstances are materially worse: we have not just a political candidate open to receiving foreign assistance to better his chances at winning an election, but a current president openly and privately calling on foreign governments to actively interfere in the most sacred of U.S. democratic processes, our elections. These activities, which are factually undisputed, undermine the integrity of our elections, endanger global U.S. security and defense partnerships, and threaten our democracy.

Jonathan H. Adler
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Charles Fried
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Orin S. Kerr
Marisa C. Maleck
Trevor Potter
Alan Charles Raul
Jonathan C. Rose
Paul Rosenzweig
Andrew Sagor
Jaime D. Sneider
J.W. Verret

Each of us speaks and acts solely in our individual capacities, and our views should not be attributed to any organization with which we may be affiliated.


https://checks-and-balances.org/new-sta ... of-office/

George T. Conway III, of course, declined a Trump nomination to serve as Assistant Attorney General a couple of years ago, and I don't need to mention to whom he is married. He and his wife would be too-good-to-be-true characters on a T.V. drama about life in Washington D.C.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:15 pm 
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Besides that, given Trump's history of getting away with past peccadillos, refusal to listen to anyone's advice other than his own, and tendency to "push the envelope" to ever greater extremes after every time he perceives a victory, there is little doubt in my mind that before the next election, he will pull something so outrageous and extreme that even the current crop of Republican Senators will feel they have no choice but to agree to his impeachment and removal from office, if they hope to save their own political careers.

It is looking more and more like this is what will finally doom Trump's Presidency. He seems convinced that he is entirely invincible and beyond the law, and can get away with anything that enters his mind to do to augment his wealth and power without limit, no matter how outrageous and unlawful. He is ultimately his own worst enemy!

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