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 Post subject: Re: Tidal wave of sexual assault-misconduct allegations list
PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:51 pm 
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Xenophon wrote:
An interesting take on the topic generally and Aziz Ansari specifically from Caitlin Flanagan over at The Atlantic.

I think she does a pretty good job giving credence to the idea that it is essential that we are taking accusations more seriously and that backlash is a natural consequence of some pent up rage over past indiscretions but that we need to be careful and take each instance as an individual case and not cast too wide a net. Keep in mind she has been very supportive of bringing those with credible accusations of sexual assault to justice.

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But we’re at warp speed now, and the revolution—in many ways so good and so important—is starting to sweep up all sorts of people into its conflagration: the monstrous, the cruel, and the simply unlucky.

I've been fully supportive of most of these women coming forward as part of #MeToo and #TimesUp, but I'm having mixed feelings about the Aziz Ansari case myself.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:57 pm 
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MsJack wrote:
I've been fully supportive of most of these women coming forward as part of #MeToo and #TimesUp, but I'm having mixed feelings about the Aziz Ansari case myself.

Hi MsJack,

My name is DoubtingThomas but you can just call me Thomas. Congratulations for getting engaged, may the lucky guy make you very happy. MsJack I have a question, how do you define sexual harassment? If a guy tries to convince (and begs) a woman to go out on a date with him after saying no, would you consider it as harassment? I honestly want to know your opinion to best understand women. Thanks.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:07 pm 
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MsJack wrote:
I've been fully supportive of most of these women coming forward as part of #MeToo.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:15 pm 
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
DoubtingThomas,

Given the definition of "consent" that seems to be evolving (it must be "enthusiastic", it can be withdrawn with no obvious indication, etc) we are making criminals of literally every adult man and woman in this country.


"Enthusiastic Yes" would have been a good idea if it wasn't for that fact that our culture is very complicated. For our culture a woman isn't suppose to be easy, a woman is suppose to play hard to get. Many women think saying "enthusiastically yes" makes them look like a slut.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGMi0UtvTIc

So at this moment our laws should just to stick with "No means No".


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:19 pm 
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Xenophon wrote:
An interesting take on the topic generally and Aziz Ansari specifically from Caitlin Flanagan over at The Atlantic.

I think she does a pretty good job giving credence to the idea that it is essential that we are taking accusations more seriously and that backlash is a natural consequence of some pent up rage over past indiscretions but that we need to be careful and take each instance as an individual case and not cast too wide a net. Keep in mind she has been very supportive of bringing those with credible accusations of sexual assault to justice.

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But we’re at warp speed now, and the revolution—in many ways so good and so important—is starting to sweep up all sorts of people into its conflagration: the monstrous, the cruel, and the simply unlucky.


Xeno this right here:

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Now he has been—in a professional sense—assassinated, on the basis of one woman’s anonymous account.


That's an emerging problem that I see. And, it doesn't sit well with me.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:25 pm 
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I don't believe we should simply take someone's word as the gospel truth.

I agree we all deserve due process, but the Democratic party is going to keep kissing the extreme feminism's @$$.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:51 pm 
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Good video by TYT

"Aziz Ansari Accused Of Sexual Assault"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meAoeOMDJVU


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:10 pm 
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Larry Nassar (former MSU and US Olympics Gymnastics Team doctor) who has plead guilty to multiple accounts of sexual abuse perpetrated on members of the US Olympics Gymnastics Team over a period of years is worried about his mental health.

He thinks that listening to victims statements for days is compromising his mental health.

https://www.cbssports.com/olympics/news ... al-health/

According to reports, he abused upwards of near 150 child atheletes.

I'm pretty sure he won't last 5 seconds behind bars before he hangs himself.

Pretty sure I don't give a damn.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:23 pm 
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Jersey Girl wrote:
According to reports, he abused upwards of near 150 child atheletes.

Sad and horrible, but how was it possible? How did it go unnoticed by the parents for such a long time?


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:28 pm 
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Jersey Girl wrote:

I'm pretty sure he won't last 5 seconds behind bars before he hangs himself.

Pretty sure I don't give a damn.


We should give a damn. The guy deserves to suffer for the rest of his life, if the guy hangs himself it would be the end of his suffering and misery.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:49 am 
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Jersey Girl, not sure if Michael Douglas had made it to your list or not. His is shaping up to being an interesting back and forth. Due primarily to him preempting her going public by doing it himself coupled with a firm denial.

As an aside, there is this common element of public masturbation in a lot of these stories that just baffles me. What kind of malfunction in the brain makes you go "yeah, right now in front of my worker would be a good time to rub one out"?

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:59 am 
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Jersey Girl, not sure if Michael Douglas had made it to your list or not. His is shaping up to being an interesting back and forth. Due primarily to him preempting her going public by doing it himself coupled with a firm denial.

As an aside, there is this common element of public masturbation in a lot of these stories that just baffles me. What kind of malfunction in the brain makes you go "yeah, right now in front of my worker would be a good time to rub one out"?


I think any dude who whips his junk out in front of someone and starts beating it like it owes him money is deranged. I just read this article:

http://www.mcall.com/news/police/mc-nws ... story.html

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Semen Squirter' headed to state prison


And it's clear to me if someone is doing something sexual toward someone else without consent there are serious issues of psychological disempowerment going on.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:10 am 
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Larry Nassar (former MSU and US Olympics Gymnastics Team doctor) who has plead guilty to multiple accounts of sexual abuse perpetrated on members of the US Olympics Gymnastics Team over a period of years is worried about his mental health.

He thinks that listening to victims statements for days is compromising his mental health.

https://www.cbssports.com/olympics/news ... al-health/

According to reports, he abused upwards of near 150 child atheletes.

I'm pretty sure he won't last 5 seconds behind bars before he hangs himself.

Pretty sure I don't give a damn.


What I want to know is who knew about this? This went on for decades, and the victims are running upwards of ~150 people right now? This is totally a Sandusky moment. This is institutional negligence. I'm pretty outraged, as much as I can be being totally removed from the situation, at the thought that USA Gymnastics knew about this man and they keep feeding him victims.

If I had my way he'd be executed, the people who covered this up need to go to prison, and the victims are absolutely entitled to monetary compensation to include paid therapy. 100%.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:15 pm 
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"She-EO" Miki Agrawal accused of sexual harassment settled out of court. This lengthy article is worth the read, AND I recommend readers reverse genders in this scenario and ask yourselves what kind of treatment a man would get:

https://www.thecut.com/2017/03/thinx-em ... sment.html

Again. Read this article and tell me if a CEO of a company wrote this kind of article would he even still have a job?

https://medium.com/@mikiagrawal/my-less ... f65bbe2245

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:35 pm 
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
What I want to know is who knew about this?


MSU apparently knew about it. First allegation was made in the late 90's. (1997?) And you're exactly right. This is Sandusky all over again. I'll try to come up with some documentation for the time frame mentioned later.

But...if you catch video interview or statements by Lindsey Lemke, she eviscerates MSU and Larry Nassar. I believe she mentions the earliest allegations and tears MSU apart for doing exactly nothing. In any case, if you listen to statements made by the victims you get a fuller picture of how this happened and how it went on for so many years.

ETA: Listen to Lindsey Lemke's victim impact statement. It's powerful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12XjxfhtG48

ETA: Start the video and slide it over (go past about the first minute or two) until you see her.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:54 pm 
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
"She-EO" Miki Agrawal accused of sexual harassment settled out of court. This lengthy article is worth the read, AND I recommend readers reverse genders in this scenario and ask yourselves what kind of treatment a man would get:

https://www.thecut.com/2017/03/thinx-em ... sment.html

Again. Read this article and tell me if a CEO of a company wrote this kind of article would he even still have a job?

https://medium.com/@mikiagrawal/my-less ... f65bbe2245

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What a creep. She’s out as CEO of the company she co-founded, and I’d be shocked if she ever is given any position in management. She’s a walking sexual harassment lawsuit, so she may well be unemployable. She’s had a complaint filed against her with the New York Civil Rights Conmission and, if she has money or assets, lawsuits will likely follow. She doesn’t have balls to be strung up by, so there is that.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:15 pm 
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If anyone is strongly interested in hearing the impact to victims of childhood sexual abuse, please listen to this victim impact statement by Nicole Reeb, victim of Larry Nassar.

Start around 19:23.

I've known three victims (5 more who I wasn't in a position to follow) who deal with the same issues as she. This is what a victim of early sexual abuse can live with.

If they indeed live at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12XjxfhtG48

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:05 pm 
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As a friendly note you can attach "?t=XXmXXs" with the XX being the time you want the video to start for a direct link. You can also click on the share button under the video and check the "start at" button to get a generated link. Just a simpler way to point to a particular moment you want (I suspect there will be more of that powerful testimony worth sharing)

https://youtu.be/12XjxfhtG48?t=19m53s

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Larry Nassar has been sentenced.

He's already gotten 60 years for possession of child pornography.

Judge Aquilina sentenced him today to 40-175 years in prison. If I am not mistaken, he faces yet another trial for a different offense.

"I've just signed your death warrant." ~ Rosemarie Aquilina

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/24/us/larry ... index.html

I have to read the article again and listen to her sentencing. She completey put the screws to him as she pronounced sentence. You have to listen to it for yourself if you're interested.

Prediction: He'll suicide.

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ETA: The judge heard a total of 156 victim impact statements in the Nassar case.

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