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 Post subject: Re: Liangelo Ball detained in China on shoflifting charges
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:23 pm 
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China is a communist country as well. Under this ideology is the shop owner at fault for not freely sharing their goods and possessions? To each according to need and from each according to ability to pay? Kevin has often said that if we embraced more socialism in the USA people wouldn't be driven to steal for what they need.


China is a country in which the communist party has a monopoly of power. But it would not claim to be a society which has reached the stage of communism, under which, it is said, society follows the principle of 'from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs'.

It might perhaps claim to be organised on the principles of socialism, which are said to be 'from each according to his ability, to each according to his work' - which clearly implies you don't get to take anything you happen to want, or feel that you need.

[I don't necessarily accept these descriptions as having any real content, by the way.

But God forbid I should trespass on Majax's private fantasies ...


Do you think these players just stole some stuff or are they the victims a of a racist judicial and law enforcement system? In your view Chap what would be a proportional penalty for theft like this? Is it, "Not that big of a deal?"

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:12 am 
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Do you have an example of a shoplifting case the 9th circuit took that involved undermining sentencing to practice "therapeutic jurisprudence?"

(Hint: You don't. That doesn't make sense on several levels.)

Actually, it doesn’t make sense on any level. He clearly doesn’t understand the term.

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Donald Trump has personally asked Xi to intervene on behalf the of the UCLA players. As to the players themselves, how effing stupid do you have to be to shoplift bling in a foreign country?

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It was certainly incredibly stupid of them (or anybody else) to shoplift, especially in a foreign country like China. They should be made to pay enough for what they did to convince any reasonable person that shoplifting is not worth risking the cost of getting caught doing it, whether here or abroad. Whatever other penalties they are subjected to, they should, in addition, be suspended from the team--perhaps even permanently for doing something so stupid (provided, of course, that they are conclusively proven guilty).

None of this, however, lends the slightest bit of credibility or relevance to Majax's white supremacist, alt-right, highly bigoted point of view.

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None of this, however, lends the slightest bit of credibility or relevance to Majax's white supremacist, alt-right, highly bigoted point of view.

What do you think would have happened to these players if they were caught on camera stealing in California?

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What do you think would have happened to these players if they were caught on camera stealing in California?

I think they should have been arrested, fined, made to return and/or pay for the stolen merchandise, and expelled or (at least) suspended from the team, and probably from the university as well, regardless of their race, ethnicity or economic status.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:07 am 
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In California Petty Theft Laws & Penalties

If you shoplifted goods valued at less than $400, you could be charged with petty theft. If they are valued at less than $50, the charge is considered a simple infraction and carries only fines. However, if it is more than $50 and less than $400, you will face misdemeanor charges.

Misdemeanor petty theft carries a potential penalty of 6 months in jail and fines ranging from $50 to $1,000.


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What do you think would have happened to these players if they were caught on camera stealing in California?

I think they should have been arrested, fined, made to return and/or pay for the stolen merchandise, and expelled or (at least) suspended from the team, and probably from the university as well, regardless of their race, ethnicity or economic status.


I agree, but you didn't answer my question.

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The CCC wrote:
In California Petty Theft Laws & Penalties

If you shoplifted goods valued at less than $400, you could be charged with petty theft. If they are valued at less than $50, the charge is considered a simple infraction and carries only fines. However, if it is more than $50 and less than $400, you will face misdemeanor charges.

Misdemeanor petty theft carries a potential penalty of 6 months in jail and fines ranging from $50 to $1,000.


So maybe they'd have to pick up trash along side of the road for a few hours if they get caught? Probably put on diversion? I'm sure the first question we should be asking ourselves is why are they having to steal right? And you know if stiffer punishments aren't stopping people from stealing, then by definition it doesn't work and we shouldn't be giving out the same punishments, right? At least that was the line of crap they gave us as teachers and pseudo policemen years ago.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:22 pm 
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None of this, however, lends the slightest bit of credibility or relevance to Majax's white supremacist, alt-right, highly bigoted point of view.


What do you think would have happened to these players if they were caught on camera stealing in California?


Hasn't your question been answered pretty clearly?

The CCC wrote:
In California Petty Theft Laws & Penalties

If you shoplifted goods valued at less than $400, you could be charged with petty theft. If they are valued at less than $50, the charge is considered a simple infraction and carries only fines. However, if it is more than $50 and less than $400, you will face misdemeanor charges.

Misdemeanor petty theft carries a potential penalty of 6 months in jail and fines ranging from $50 to $1,000.


So what exactly is it that you are seeking to find out by continuing this thread?

I honestly don't see what you are trying to say, or trying to find out.

What's your point?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:40 pm 
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I think he is asking whether in California they would actually have been penalized for shoplifting according to applicable laws, or whether they would have been treated differently based on their race or ethnicity. If he means to suggest or imply that they might be treated more leniently because they were black, he is almost certainly wrong. The opposite would be more likely based on nearly all applicable evidence.

ETA: I think he is obsessed and highly resentful of the possibility that someone somewhere, especially someone non-white, might get away with something or be given some consideration to which they are not entitled or don't deserve according to Majax.

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Gunnar wrote:
I think he is asking whether in California they would actually have been penalized for shoplifting according to applicable laws, or whether they would have been treated differently based on their race or ethnicity. If he means to suggest or imply that they might be treated more leniently because they were black, he is almost certainly wrong. The opposite would be more likely based on nearly all applicable evidence.


Thanks for the clarification! I suspect you are right.

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The dumbest part of this entire exchange is Majax's guy, Donald J. Trump, asked President Xi to drop the charges and let the kids come home.

That's a law and order Republican not giving a ____ about law and order.

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The dumbest part of this entire exchange is Majax's guy, Donald J. Trump, asked President Xi to drop the charges and let the kids come home.

That's a law and order Republican not giving a ____ about law and order.

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But it is okay, you see. Because we can't let our own suffer under the dirty Chi-Coms. Remember it goes:

White American>White Europeans>Minority Americans>All the others

So Trump was really just respecting the hierarchy there by not letting the Chinese extract justice.

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Lesson being, don't steal when you're travelling abroad. Wait until you get home in the USA where no shop owner is allowed to resist and you can get away with it.

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Lesson being, don't steal when you're travelling abroad. Wait until you get home in the USA where no shop owner is allowed to resist and you can get away with it.


Or you have a Republican willing to excuse criminal behavior.

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Asking they be brought home to face US rather than Chinese charges isn't necessarily excusing criminal behavior. I know in some countries they cut off your hand. I'm not saying that is necessarily proper for the first offense but I don't see it as, "no big deal," either.

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Asking they be brought home to face US rather than Chinese charges isn't necessarily excusing criminal behavior.

What exactly are the criminal charges in the US for shoplifting in China?

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Or you have a Republican willing to excuse criminal behavior.

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Asking they be brought home to face US rather than Chinese charges isn't necessarily excusing criminal behavior. I know in some countries they cut off your hand. I'm not saying that is necessarily proper for the first offense but I don't see it as, "no big deal," either.


Dude. At least try to think before you post. Maybe proofread before hitting the summit button? Smh.

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Asking they be brought home to face US rather than Chinese charges isn't necessarily excusing criminal behavior.

What exactly are the criminal charges in the US for shoplifting in China?


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Asking they be brought home to face US rather than Chinese charges isn't necessarily excusing criminal behavior.


What exactly are the criminal charges in the US for shoplifting in China?


You cruel man! Can't you see Majax is not well? Stop tormenting the poor guy like this.

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