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 Post subject: Re: Testimony of Micah Wilder
PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:55 am 
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No maybe.

Agreement!
Continue your tilting against the windmills Nipper. We agree that you and those who wrote the Bible did the same. We only disagree now about the true nature of those windmills.
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 Post subject: Re: Testimony of Micah Wilder
PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:48 am 
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You justify your position on the Bible, i.e. it's not your assertion but the Bible's. I point out that it was written by someone like yourself. You agree with "no maybe."
Am I missing something here?
It is still just an assertion Nipper. Now go ahead and assert that a spirit exists and assert that you (both you individually and the other somebodys like yourself who wrote portions of the Bible) were under the influence of Casper. ( :surprised:, not)

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:39 pm 
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You justify your position on the Bible, i.e. it's not your assertion but the Bible's. I point out that it was written by someone like yourself. You agree with "no maybe."
Am I missing something here?
It is still just an assertion Nipper. Now go ahead and assert that a spirit exists and assert that you (both you individually and the other somebodys like yourself who wrote portions of the Bible) were under the influence of Casper. ( :surprised:, not)

The Holy Spirit must be a very wonderful being compared to all those who wrote/write secular dissertations... I've never read anything more profound written by any scientist.

I Corinthians 13 Complete Jewish Bible

1 I may speak in the tongues of men, even angels;
but if I lack love, I have become merely
blaring brass or a cymbal clanging.

2 I may have the gift of prophecy,
I may fathom all mysteries, know all things,
have all faith — enough to move mountains;
but if I lack love, I am nothing.

3 I may give away everything that I own,
I may even hand over my body to be burned;
but if I lack love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient and kind, not jealous, not boastful,
5 not proud, rude or selfish, not easily angered,
and it keeps no record of wrongs.
6 Love does not gloat over other people’s sins
but takes its delight in the truth.
7 Love always bears up, always trusts,
always hopes, always endures.

8 Love never ends; but prophecies will pass,
tongues will cease, knowledge will pass.
9 For our knowledge is partial, and our prophecy partial;
10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass.

11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child,
thought like a child, argued like a child;
now that I have become a man,
I have finished with childish ways.

12 For now we see obscurely in a mirror,
but then it will be face to face.
Now I know partly; then I will know fully,
just as God has fully known me.

13 But for now, three things last —
trust, hope, love;
and the greatest of these is love.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 12:39 pm 
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Some pretty words attributed to Paul. Some of the best in the New Testament, I grant you. Just like some pretty poetry was in the Book of Mormon ("Man is that he might have joy." ). But quoting Paul on Jesus is totally backing fantasy. Paul never met Jesus and made up everything he ever said about him. Made it up, just like Joseph Smith made up all of his stories. Your Jesus is Paul's invention. Your Christianity is actually Paulism. Paul was a guy who got busted being bad and then decided to decide what was good for everybody else. Like that twofaced Augustine who lived it up like a wildman and then went straight and got preachy about it. What a hypocritical dishonest tool. :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:24 am 
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Some pretty words attributed to Paul. Some of the best in the New Testament, I grant you. Just like some pretty poetry was in the Book of Mormon ("Man is that he might have joy." ). But quoting Paul on Jesus is totally backing fantasy. Paul never met Jesus and made up everything he ever said about him. Made it up, just like Joseph Smith made up all of his stories. Your Jesus is Paul's invention. Your Christianity is actually Paulism. Paul was a guy who got busted being bad and then decided to decide what was good for everybody else. Like that twofaced Augustine who lived it up like a wildman and then went straight and got preachy about it. What a hypocritical dishonest tool. :lol:


I am not inclined to give Augustine a clear pass but really? He stole some pears from an orchard and lived with a woman he was not officially married to for some years. I do not think that disqualifies him from thinking about what good and evil are.

I have heard complaints that Paul says little about Jesus. What would be all the Jesus story he made up? Paul is one of the strongest Biblical voices for people using their judgement to decide which actions are helpful and increase love. He has little interest in making up rules for people. You fault him for that?


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:13 pm 
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Some pretty words attributed to Paul. Some of the best in the New Testament, I grant you. Just like some pretty poetry was in the Book of Mormon ("Man is that he might have joy." ). But quoting Paul on Jesus is totally backing fantasy. Paul never met Jesus and made up everything he ever said about him. Made it up, just like Joseph Smith made up all of his stories. Your Jesus is Paul's invention. Your Christianity is actually Paulism. Paul was a guy who got busted being bad and then decided to decide what was good for everybody else. Like that twofaced Augustine who lived it up like a wildman and then went straight and got preachy about it. What a hypocritical dishonest tool. :lol:

I am not inclined to give Augustine a clear pass but really? He stole some pears from an orchard and lived with a woman he was not officially married to for some years. I do not think that disqualifies him from thinking about what good and evil are.

I have heard complaints that Paul says little about Jesus. What would be all the Jesus story he made up? Paul is one of the strongest Biblical voices for people using their judgement to decide which actions are helpful and increase love. He has little interest in making up rules for people. You fault him for that?

I notice that you're still avoiding the fact that it was from Paul's imagination. Try subtracting Paul from the New Testament as Thomas Jefferson did. If you want to be a Paulist, be one. But don't pretend that you're on about Jesus. You're talking about the Christ, Paul's invention. Christians get their history backwards, just like Mormons.

Augustine was the wonderful dude who taught that "between urine and feces we are born". Mentally unhealthy, even for the times. Maybe you'd prefer Origen, who cut his junk off for Jesus, or Cyrus, who murdered Hypatia for Jesus. I can keep going for centuries here. Christianity is still creating victims. Look at the headlines re: the Catholic Church. Nobody loved Paul more than them. Look at the monsters everyday in the Facebook group, "Clergy arrested"--men of God, followers of Christ and criminals.

So, yeah, Huck, I'm faulting these dudes. :biggrin: There's a reason people are leaving them. It's because people are finally looking beyond the words at the actions, at the history. And it ain't pretty.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:29 pm 
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Maksutov wrote:
I notice that you're still avoiding the fact that it was from Paul's imagination. Try subtracting Paul from the New Testament as Thomas Jefferson did. If you want to be a Paulist, be one. But don't pretend that you're on about Jesus. You're talking about the Christ, Paul's invention. Christians get their history backwards, just like Mormons.

Muksukov, I know plenty of negatives in Christian history. I am not going to blame you for mistrusting and rejecting it because of them. I have done the same in the past. Because I have reconsidered a few times does not require you to agree. I would choose other points of indictment but I bet you can think of more your self.

The role of Paul in creating the Christ is disputed. I do not agree with you on that matter but it is complicated with authorities who disagree.


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huckelberry wrote:
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I notice that you're still avoiding the fact that it was from Paul's imagination. Try subtracting Paul from the New Testament as Thomas Jefferson did. If you want to be a Paulist, be one. But don't pretend that you're on about Jesus. You're talking about the Christ, Paul's invention. Christians get their history backwards, just like Mormons.

Muksukov, I know plenty of negatives in Christian history. I am not going to blame you for mistrusting and rejecting it because of them. I have done the same in the past. Because I have reconsidered a few times does not require you to agree. I would choose other points of indictment but I bet you can think of more your self.

The role of Paul in creating the Christ is disputed. I do not agree with you on that matter but it is complicated with authorities who disagree.


And how many of Paul's letters are forgeries? :cool:

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:26 am 
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And how many of Paul's letters are forgeries? :cool:

Followers of Paul likely wrote first and second Timothy and Titus. Ephesians and Colossians were possibly written by followers of Paul.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:59 am 
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And how many of Paul's letters are forgeries? :cool:

Followers of Paul likely wrote first and second Timothy and Titus. Ephesians and Colossians were possibly written by followers of Paul.


I rest my case. Words of men, pretending to be other men and pretending to knowledge of divine personages and events. It's an old con but it still has takers, doesn't it? :wink:

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Followers of Paul likely wrote first and second Timothy and Titus. Ephesians and Colossians were possibly written by followers of Paul.

I rest my case. Words of men, pretending to be other men and pretending to knowledge of divine personages and events. It's an old con but it still has takers, doesn't it? :wink:

What I see is that Paul established groups to continue the message he understood was given to him. After he died leaders in those groups he established wrote some things in his name. It would appear they thought they were justified to do so and you, Maksutov, do not. Ok but I do not see how that logically changes the value of Pauls letters one way or the other.

Actually one should not be surprised to discover that every one of the portions of the New Testament were written by men using their human mind. That certainly does not mean they are a con but they being a con could be something that one could believe.


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Augustine was the wonderful dude who taught that "between urine and feces we are born". Mentally unhealthy, even for the times. Maybe you'd prefer Origen, who cut his junk off for Jesus, or Cyrus, who murdered Hypatia for Jesus.

At some point Augustine made a simple biological observation and you fly to calling him mentally unhealthy. Are you perhaps a bit over sensitive? What is the location of these words and why and in what way does the man make this observation?

Origen realized his mistake. It was youthful extremism. He did do some thoughtful writing later.

Of these three Cyrus would be the one I find least likeable or acceptable. At that time manipulating crowds and mobs was a path to political power. It appears Cyrus wanted that and his manipulation resulted in the disreputable killing.

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Muksukov, now you bring up the guy with the golden dog house. I guess that is memorable as we have a president who sits on a golden throne (in his bathroom)


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huckelberry wrote:
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Augustine was the wonderful dude who taught that "between urine and feces we are born". Mentally unhealthy, even for the times. Maybe you'd prefer Origen, who cut his junk off for Jesus, or Cyrus, who murdered Hypatia for Jesus.

At some point Augustine made a simple biological observation and you fly to calling him mentally unhealthy. Are you perhaps a bit over sensitive? What is the location of these words and why and in what way does the man make this observation?

Origen realized his mistake. It was youthful extremism. He did do some thoughtful writing later.

Of these three Cyrus would be the one I find least likeable or acceptable. At that time manipulating crowds and mobs was a path to political power. It appears Cyrus wanted that and his manipulation resulted in the disreputable killing.

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Muksukov, now you bring up the guy with the golden dog house. I guess that is memorable as we have a president who sits on a golden throne (in his bathroom)


He's also a great fan of faith and the Bible, I'm told. :lol:

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He's also a great fan of faith and the Bible, I'm told. :lol:

He buggers both. The image of Cyrus is a bit faint but there is a possible similarity.
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He's also a great fan of faith and the Bible, I'm told. :lol:

He buggers both. The image of Cyrus is a bit faint but there is a possible similarity.
All kinds find a use for the Bible, even antichrist.


Hmm. Looks like you're on the wrong side of this one.

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What if you heard a Voice, different from your thinking voice, a Powerful Voice talking to you in the second person inside your head? Giving you details you’d never imagined about one of the most important events in the world? Would you listen? More importantly, if you’re a Christian, and live your life in accordance with your understanding of His will and purpose, what would it take to convince you that God had spoken to you?

Mark Taylor, a recently retired fireman; had this experience. Around 2 a.m. on the night of April 28, 2011, and unable to sleep he was channel surfing when he clicked on C-Span. The man on the screen was Donald Trump, and Mark had the premonition that he heard God say “You are hearing the voice of the next President.” Little did Mark know several dozen video recordings of others documented that they also got the same message and were equally convinced it came from God.

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Yep. Not only is Trump the Second Coming of Nixon, he's also the Second Coming of Christ. :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 4:37 pm 
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Well the voice said to me, but I cannot be sure it was other than an echo ,

Joel2 "Blow the trumpet in Zion ,sound the alarm on my holy mountain! Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble, for the day of the Lord is coming , it is near, a day of darkness and gloom ......Yet even now says the Lord return to me with all hour heart, ... rend your heart and not your clothing."

May our country learn better ways from this punishment from the Lord. We have been sent an affliction which mirrors the dark parts of our hearts.


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