SteelHead wrote:Because is us 19th century modern pseudopigripha.
Ka-ching.
SteelHead wrote:Because is us 19th century modern pseudopigripha.
Mittens wrote:What’s interesting The Book of Mormon teaches the opposite about the Godhead, rather than three gods and a plurality of gods it teaches only ONE GOD in the Godhead. Even the President of Mormonism commented that the paramount and fullness of the Gospel found in the Book of Mormonism is the ONE GOD of the Trinity.
Isaiah 44
6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
8 ... Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
Isaiah 45
5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.
John 17
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Matthew 22
41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.
43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
Gray Ghost wrote:The Book of Mormon also teaches penal substitution atonement, a doctrine that didn't really get off the ground until the 11th century AD.
SonOfZeus wrote:Mittens wrote:What’s interesting The Book of Mormon teaches the opposite about the Godhead, rather than three gods and a plurality of gods it teaches only ONE GOD in the Godhead. Even the President of Mormonism commented that the paramount and fullness of the Gospel found in the Book of Mormonism is the ONE GOD of the Trinity.
In what sense is God ONE? And what is the definition of “GOD”? Even the Bible is inconsistent on this; however, I believe that Joseph Smith brilliantly clarified who God is and how He relates to the human race.
For example, Isaiah writes:Isaiah 44
6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
8 ... Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.Isaiah 45
5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.
This language is pretty specific and creates a major problem for Christians. For example, who is speaking? YHVH, the God of Israel? The one we later call Jesus Christ? If taken literally, where, we ask, is the Father? Where is the Holy Spirit? Are they being thrown under the bus in the name of monotheism?
In Genesis 1, Moses tells us that the GODS (Elohim) created the heavens and the earth, and they created MAN in their image, “male and female.”
“MAN has become as one of us,” we're told. This appears to be an outright contradiction with what God said through Isaiah. Or did these GODS die, leaving only ONE? Yet Evangelicals toss the Isaiah passages at us, accusing us of being polytheists! They fail to see that the Isaiah passages present the same problems to them as they do for latter-day saints.
Yet in context they present no problem at all.
When Jesus prayed to the Father concerning the Twelve, he said, “...that THEY may be ONE, even as WE are ONE”:John 17
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
This passage tells us that the term “ONE” is esoteric in nature. When Jesus prayed to the Father, it was an interaction between one GOD to another. In Psalms 110, we read: “The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.” This was interpreted by Matthew as the Father speaking to the Son (David's Lord):Matthew 22
41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.
43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
When the Lord speaks to Isaiah, we must take his comments pertaining to the oneness of God as being one in purpose. In Mormon doctrine, all saints who gain eternal life and become like God and joint heirs with Christ become partakers of that oneness. We become ONE with him, and we are in him, and he is in us. Thus, when God speaks of His oneness in Isaiah 44 and 45, we see that His oneness does not preclude those who join and partake in that oneness. Again, please note: “they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.”
Thus, the God of Joseph Smith is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, and, also, the God of Lehi, Nephi and the rest of the Book of Mormon prophets. And though be Lords many and gods many, to us there is ONE God.
Exiled wrote:It was a man made invention just like the Bible.
Amore wrote:Exiled wrote:It was a man made invention just like the Bible.
Yes, and it was largely based on the Bible - and the New Testament is considered to be written/collected/cherry picked around 5th century.
But who cares? Star wars has some ridiculous ideas but still has some truths. History, science, and religion each have their own unique specific perspectives and lessons to teach. I don’t look in the scriptures for history or science - but for spirituality parables and symbols to “liken to” my life.