A Hatred of Science is Killing the Church

[_Maksutov]

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A Hatred of Science is Killing the Church: Why Young Adults Leave or Never Show Up
April 26, 2017 by Kurt Willems

Both on The Paulcast: A Podcast All About the Apostle Paul and at Pangea Church (Seattle), I have been walking through series on science and scripture.

How I go about that now is quite different than I imagine my methods if I were 19. Back then, evolution was off the table. In fact, it wasn’t even something I gave any thought to until 2008 (mid-20s).

I was a creationist by default.

I had deconstructed (or at least beginning this process):

my understanding of how to interpret Scripture in light of historical context,
my view of women,
the “end times / Revelation,”
the Christian hope (not merely going to heaven, but heaven coming here in new creation),
just war theory (I was on my way to pacifism),
and many other areas.

But creation versus evolution wasn’t on my radar.

And then, quite late to the party, I read Brian McLaren’s “A New Kind of Christian.” The book has a main character who teaches science in a public school. He is both a Christian and holds to biological evolution.

This blew my mind.

Yet, it was the first area of questioning my upbringing in the faith where I wondered: Am I unfaithful to God?

But over time, it became clear: the Bible has little value if read as a science book.

Evolutionary creationism is the best option available.

I don’t hold to this view because I have lots of faith in science. My allegiance is in God and Christ.

But, Scripture doesn’t speak to this issue when we read it in light of historical evidence and its genres.

Evolution as biology and the Scriptures can walk hand-in-hand.

But, this is taking time to make its way into the mainstream culture of the North American church. This is especially true in my broad tribe of evangelicalism.

A study that Barna published a few years back states that young adults are leaving the church because of the perceived attitude of the church to science. Here’s what it says:

One of the reasons young adults feel disconnected from church or from faith is the tension they feel between Christianity and science. The most common of the perceptions in this arena is “Christians are too confident they know all the answers” (35%). Three out of ten young adults with a Christian background feel that “churches are out of step with the scientific world we live in” (29%). Another one-quarter embrace the perception that “Christianity is anti-science” (25%). And nearly the same proportion (23%) said they have “been turned off by the creation-versus-evolution debate.” Furthermore, the research shows that many science-minded young Christians are struggling to find ways of staying faithful to their beliefs and to their professional calling in science-related industries.

This posture toward science is and will continue to kill the future of the church.

This is bad news.

And I don’t want my daughter growing up and graduating from her faith when gets to college.

I don’t want to continue to set people up to have to choose between their brains and the back door of the church.

We need a better conversation. We need to listen to the best biblical scholars and Christian leaders. We need to read the crap out of the Biologos website.

We need to shut down this part of church culture. It is killing the church and de-converting young people.

The gospel is too important to defend creation science.

The message of Jesus is too life changing to spend any energy fighting biological evolution.

God created. God loves creation. God died to heal creation.

This creation is approximately 14 billion years old.

Killing the church isn’t worth fighting battles that we were never meant to win.

[_LittleNipper]

Science is absolute total truth without any room for hype or opinion. Approximations are founded in belief and not witnessed accounts.

[_RockSlider]

I kind of like listening to this guy.

He notes, like everyone else now-a-days about the decline of interest in religion with rapid growth in the number of atheists. However, he notes there is also a rapid growth of creationists. He declares all out war against creationism.

The OP seems to give some validation to his observation of the growth of creationism.

Here is one example of his knowledge and presentation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9p3dE5C4_8

[_SPG]

It is hate and self righteousness in general. Utah, and not just the church, is constantly trying to force the issue of how people should live. But, as mentioned, as the youth leave, they will have to reevaluate their technique. The hypocrisy in general must stop. It's not doctrine, or questionable prophets that is killing the church, its putting down of other people and other beliefs. Some religions can handle that, but eventually Mormons see through it.

[_huckelberry]

Science is absolute total truth without any room for hype or opinion. Approximations are founded in belief and not witnessed accounts.

At first this comment was just confusing to me. Reconsidering it I see it actually clearly intends to mean something. It confused me at first because it is the exact opposite of what science means to other people. In fact it expresses the very heart of anti science.

rattlesnakes.

[_moksha]

For Mormons, compartmentalizing science and the LDS religion helps them embrace both without any inevitable matter-antimatter reaction. One encompasses the world in which they live and the other an ideal they would like to exist. That way they can enjoy something pleasing, like when their U.S.S. Enterprise encounters the Voyager Space Probe (from the sciences and philosophies of Man).

[_The CCC]

I have no problem with science or God.

[_Res Ipsa]

For Mormons, compartmentalizing science and the LDS religion helps them embrace both without any inevitable matter-antimatter reaction. One encompasses the world in which they live and the other an ideal they would like to exist. That way they can enjoy something pleasing, like when their U.S.S. Enterprise encounters the Voyager Space Probe (from the sciences and philosophies of Man).

I'm slowly coming to realize that you are the elementary penguin singing Hare Krishna, while I am just the guy who gets to the bottom and goes back to the top of the slide.

[_DrW]

I have no problem with science or God.

What I would claim that you have no problem with is reconciling your personal beliefs about science with your personal beliefs regarding God. Since one can readily adjust their personal beliefs about both science and God to be mutually compatible, it is easy to understand why so many claim such ability.

Most individuals who have have gained an understanding of science, as opposed to mere belief, would not make such a statement. They also understand that religion and science are diametrically opposed enterprises.

The 'goddidit' hypothesis does not even rate a second thought when evaluated according to the scientific method.

The goddidit hypothesis fails right out of the gate, having:

- No predictive power
- No parsimony
- No supporting evidence
- and many would claim: No falsifiability

[_huckelberry]

Dr W, I agree with you that thinking that god did it is an idea that does not explain or understand how anything works and has no place in science. I think it is also so thin that it does not qualify as religion either.

I still hold the view that science and religion are different activities acting in their own purview.