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Re: For bomgeography, the church of my youth

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bomgeography wrote:All you do is play the race card.
And ignore all the evidence confirmed by archeologist.

Members are going to see Hopewell Archeological sites. Tapir unless you can prove the Hopewell are not the Nephites you have nothing to prove. All you do is play the race card and say the Michigan relics are Fake. While thousands of members are seeing Hopewell artifacts and sites all confirmed by archeologist.

Oh and I should probably clarify I have 15 years combined in the Air national and Army National Guard currently on deployment.


I served on active duty for 20 years with an honorable discharge and retirement. I have never in my entire life had a National Guard member tell me that I hated America. I do not believe your claim of military service.

Racism against American Indians is real and it is a fact that Book of Mormon teachings are racist. I speak out about that so deal with it without trying to personally attack me by falsely accusing me of hating America or by telling me that I am playing the race card.

If you want me to stop telling you that the Michigan relics and other artifacts are fake, then stop using them. If your so-called Book of Mormon evidence is so strong and valid then you shouldn't need to use known hoaxes.

I have provided you with numerous sources and links to credible publications and words of archaeologists and geneticists that do in fact show how wrong your claims are. You have ignored all of those and quite frequently do not reply when I post them. Now you want me to prove to you that the Hopewell culture were not Nephites. It does not work that way [personal information deleted]. Just leave the American Indians alone. You do not know them, you do not understand them and you are promoting an alternate history and racism against them. Go find yourself a better hobby.
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How very interesting. I'm not surprised. McKane is not only willing to tell endless fantastic and unsupported statements about the Hopewells, but now he is claiming some supersecret military status to compel our respect.

That ship sailed a long time ago, McKane. I suppose you believed that setting up your little propaganda mill in Celestial would keep you free from being confronted for your lies.

No.

So now you are claiming veteran status to try and obtain a shred of credibility. Of course I doubt it. You have told so many other howlers on this forum that one more lie won't make much difference.

Yeah, I read your lies about tapir, calling him someone who hates America. Your lies are now getting personal. Okay.

An unrepentant racist liar, that's you, McKane. If you want to hear more, let's take it to another forum where I can fully express myself. :wink:
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bomgeography wrote:Hopewell civilization does match up. the end of the Hopewell matches up. Their woven clothing matches up. Their metal weapons jewelry and tools match up. Their extensive and advanced trade matches up. Their use of Highways matches up. The manner of building fortifications matches up. Their occupying lands such as the Hill Cumorah matches up. Joseph Smith pointed to their mounds and said they were the Nephites. They have dna from the middle east.


But your assumption that parallels prove causation is flawed. You can't just say it is, you *must* demonstrate it is so, with outside sources and evidences that are justified with many scholars agreeing with your view. This is where you have failed.
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David McKane's Nazi molester friend and mentor

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Looks like David McKane is up to his ears in frauds, freaks and occultists:


Frank Collin: From neo-Nazi to Hyper-Diffusionist and Witch*
By R. D. Flavin
*A previous version of this article appeared in The Greenwich Village Gazette, Feb. 21, 1997, as "The Many Faces of Frank Collin."

Photo by Tony Soluri
Ron and Carla Gay were not afraid of the 1995 escapades of Frank Collin and his followers, but they were concerned about any influence those antics might have had on their young children. The Gays are the caretakers of the Native American site known as Princess Mound, at Aztalan in Jefferson, Wisconsin. It's been nearly four years and all is still quiet.

Because of events involving Collin and his followers, initially the Gays wanted to erect a public sign discouraging visitors who had read Collin's recent books, written under the pseudonym 'Frank Joseph', his first and middle names. Frank Joseph Collin is most often associated in the public mind as the neo-Nazi who threatened in 1977 to march and rally in Skokie, a predominately Jewish suburb of Chicago.

In 1995, Collin showed up at the Princess Mound with a half-dozen women, all wearing long, white, one-hundred percent cotton robes. Collin, who refused without explanation to pay the customary two-dollar admission, wore a "Thor's necklace," and carried a wooden staff embedded with special crystals collected on his research travels over the past several years. The infamous Frank Joseph Collin (the half-Jewish, ex-neo-Nazi, and convicted pederast) is now also a witch.

The Illinois Corrections Department released Collin after three years, a "minimum time served," from his 1980 conviction of sexually molesting young boys. Since 1983 Collin has established himself as a published author, editor, and anti-science proponent. Collin now writes articles on sacred sites and Atlantis for such nationally distributed magazines as Fate and The Ancient American. His publishers know the true identity of Frank Joseph; his readers do not.


Collin in 2001 as 'Frank Joseph'.
From: The Ancient American, Vol. 6, No. 39, 2001, p.16.
Used without permission.
Collin has told many people he's "a changed man," and he's "not into that anymore..." Now a hyper-diffusionist -- a believer in pre-Columbian contacts between the Old and New Worlds -- Collin proclaims that scientists and historians have lied, and argues for a: "...New American History of tomorrow!" A few years ago, then at age 50, Collin left his parent's home on the southside of Chicago, and relocated to Minnesota -- Collin appeared to be earning a fair income from his writing. That job didn't last long and he moved just down the road from the publisher of The Ancient American. According to JDL investigators, Collin continues to use his real name.

Milwaukee historian, Nancy Oesteich Lurie, has remarked on the position of Collin ('Joseph') that: "The rantings against the scientific 'establishment' or 'proper' scholars are of a piece with the urge to assassinate, in this case character or reputation if not physical harm." Lurie is an authority on the Native American site of Aztalan and its Princess Mound and knows well the public misconceptions of the site, long before Collin became interested. She feels sorry for Ron and Carla Gay and their having to endure "witches and warlocks" visiting the Aztalan Museum and site. One woman, an admitted reader and admirer of 'Frank Joseph', wore a live snake wrapped around her
neck when she visited the site. Lurie sees a sad, subtle usurpation of Native American history in Collin's hyper-diffusionistclaims.

The Native American tradition of building earthen mounds, like at Aztalan, has sparked wonder and speculation since Colonial times. Toward a better understanding of the mounds, Thomas Jefferson became the first American archaeologist after digging into a small manmade mound in Virginia and discovered the contents were Native American and not those of some Old World lost race. Though the mounds were still being built in the nineteenth century, many investigators ignored the data and saw these structures as evidence of an advanced civilization. The misconception of fantastic origins, or what's called "The Myth of The Moundbuilders," appeals to historical revisionists, New Age types, Mormons, and others.

Collin is currently editor of The Ancient American, owned and published by Wayne May, a Mormon from Colfax, Wisconsin. Though often overlooked, the avowed revisionist stance of the Mormons concerning American prehistory and their bizarre theory of race-origins for Native Americans are tolerated or ignored by most, yet they remain a direct challenge, like Collin's work, to conventional sensibilities and First Amendment rights. An increasingly blatant Mormon propaganda vehicle, the glossy hyper-diffusionist magazine claims to offer "a forum for discussion between the professional and the avocational archaeologist." One editorial signed Frank Joseph, ended with, "To the up-holders of ...out-dated dogma, we can only say 'We told you so'." Wayne May says of Collin, "He's served the time. He's paid his debt to society."

Frank Joseph Collin went to jail for hiring underage boys and violating them and Illinois law. For Collin's role in the Marquette Park rallies in Chicago, the pamphlet distribution in Skokie with its "Death To The Jews" message, the media-manipulation after winning a Supreme Court decision allowing Collin to wear a swastika in any neighborhood of his choosing, Collin was never accused of anything other than being a nuisance, nor has he publicly spoken of those years since. Collin was once quoted as saying, "I used it [the First Amendment] at Skokie. I planned the reaction of the Jews. They are hysterical."

Jonathan Miller, writing in The New Republic (179, p. 10, July 1978), warned: "There is a point for the rest of us, too. It is that while whizzing along with Collin's fantasies, almost everyone involved has helped him succeed most wildly beyond his dreams. The next Frank Collin, whoever she or he may be, should not be extended the same cooperation." Not long ago, it is alleged that Collin was mugged while vacationing in Peru. Reports indicate the involvement of a young boy in the crime. Money earned from his writing has enabled Collin to vacation often since his release from prison. A surprising number of other-wise normal people are happy for Collin and his success, and how he's turned his life around.

Frank Collin was born in Chicago, Illinois on November 3, 1944. His father, Max Simon Collin (formerly Cohn or Cohen), a Jew who is said to have spent time in the Dachau concentration camp, may have had a major impact on his life. On Chicago television, one Illinois psychiatrist interviewed Collin during his neo-Nazi period and found him to be consumed with a "hatred for his father," and thought Collin's proposed Skokie march was, in effect, "an anti-Collin demonstration." Today, Collin attends book-signings, radio interviews, writes about Goddess sites, and has a Christmas audio album in release.

Collin's historical revisionism and anti-establishment position can be traced directly to his involvement with the National Socialists White People's Party (formerly the American Nazi Party) and later, his own NSPA (National Socialists White People's Party of America), all of which espoused racist ideals. Recent Nazi promotion is still primarily concerned with spreading anti-Black and anti-Jewish positions, yet more and more of their books, newspapers, and newsletters reveal newly created "secret" history, usually involving lost continents, ancient superior civilizations, and, increasingly, some incredible extraterrestrial scenarios.

The current rhetoric of Frank Collin is familiar to any reader knowledgeable of his past, as when Collin writes of an "Aztec holocaust," or discusses "miscegenation" and "racial identity." Though no longer a card carrying Nazi, Collin may have attracted a Nazi audience through the use of a pseudonym, having been abandoned by his former followers for his Jewishness as well as his pederasty. Frank Collin is still opinionated, confrontational, and arrogant, though now he uses a computer instead of a heavy club.

Since his release from prison sixteen years ago, Collin has tirelessly marketed himself in Chicago and southern Wisconsin. Joining such amateur organizations as Madison's Ancient Earthworks Society and the larger Badger State Archaeological Society, Collin used scuba-gear to investigate Rock Lake, WI and its "mysterious" underwater piles of stones, which Collin believes are somehow related to the pyramids of Egypt. For a recent book, Atlantis in Wisconsin (by 'Frank Joseph', St. Paul, MN: Galde Press, 1995), Collin engaged the services of Chicago and Milwaukee-based psychics to comment on Rock Lake, its imaginary "necropolis," and the Princess Mound at Aztalan. Not surprisingly, Collin has visited, sold his books at, or arranged some event with nearly every sizable bookstore and gift-shop in southern Wisconsin. Collin, as 'Frank Joseph' is well-known in some circles.

In 1987, when Collin heavily marketed his first book, The Destruction of Atlantis, at least three Chicago bookstore-owners recognized 'Frank Joseph' as Collin, the ex-neo-Nazi. All three agreed to sell his first book and one occult bookstore, Arum Solis in the Andersonville neighborhood of Chicago, continues to sell his recent releases. The bookstore's owner, Jack Armstrong, admits to selling "books by all types of people." Collin still stops by on occasion, according to Armstrong. Armstrong recognized 'Frank Joseph' as Collin in 1987 and thought nothing of it and still doesn't. Coincidentally, Armstrong is not particularly liked in Chicago's neo-pagan community.

Russell Thorne, owner of Chicago's The Occult Bookstore, does not recall meeting Collin during the marketing campaign of 1987 and 1988. On subsequent campaigns, Collin did visit Thorne's bookstore and made follow-up telephone calls. During one recent conversation, Thorne addressed "the Nazi-thing" and Collin answered, "I'm a good boy, now." Thorne wants to put together a coalition of local neo-pagans against Collin and his ideas.

One vocal critic of Collin is Native American author and poet, Jim Stevens of Madison, WI. Stevens has concerned himself with Collin's antics as they directly effect the local Native Americans, primarily the Ho-Chunk (Winnebago tribe). At one point Stevens retraced much of Collin's southern Wisconsin wanderings and provided concerned individuals a photocopied news-article about Frank Joseph's true identity.

Stevens regrets how Collin ingratiated himself into the Native American community. An associate of Collin, since after his release from prison, is engineering professor (now emeritus), Dr. Jim Shertz, of the University of Wisconsin at Madison, the founder of the Ancient Earthworks Society. This amateur group sees fascinating geometrical and astronomical layouts in many Native American sites and mounds, but interpret the technology as resulting from "smarter" and "more advanced" non-Native American visitors in ancient times. Stevens asserts that Shertz's allegations of a highly respected Native American "Old Man" giving Shertz permission to discuss and disclose mystical "secrets" are false, and that Shertz's claims of having "Indian blood" are illegitimate.

In what could be the oddest of coincidence, when Frank Collin was at Pontiac State Prison, he may have met a corrections officer named Russell Burrows, then of Olney, Illinois. Eighteen months after Burrows left Pontiac he claims he discovered a fantastic cave with gold, tombs, statuary, and dead bodies. A cache of more than two thousand inscribed stones comically suggests a confluence of nearly every Old World artistic style and alphabetic script known. The majority of the stones bear crude sketches of square-jawed faces, most resembling Chester Gould's character Dick Tracy, but wearing an Egyptian uraeus instead of a felt fedora.

Most everyone believes "Burrows' Cave" does not exist as described, however this hasn't stopped Burrows from selling the many inscribed stones he supposedly removed from the cave. Shertz is president of B.C.C. ( the "Burrows Cave Committee") and Collin serves as editor of The Ancient American, the only nationally distributed magazine to feature articles on Burrows' Cave. When first told of the real identity of 'Frank Joseph', Burrows feigned surprise and indignation, and then later admitted to having "met him while at Pontiac." Burrows has since changed his mind and denies ever meeting Collin at Pontiac and claims their current relationship is recent.

Frank Joseph Collin has once more found a controversial niche to explore. Gone is the brown-shirt, now replaced with a long, white robe. Whatever costume Collin chooses to wear, which of his many faces he allows the public to see, or what name he uses, he stands as a primary reminder of the liberties generated by a free-society -- it's not against the law to be aberrant.

When Ron and Carla Gay first took over the information-center at Aztalan and the Princess Mound, The Lake Mills Leader ran a story on the young couple and their commitment to Native American history. After the 1995 incident with Collin as his followers, the Gays considered putting up a broadside, but state and federal laws wouldn't permit it. And, perhaps, that's for the best. Collin may be steering towards legal confrontation with Wisconsin and federal authorities on his First Amendment rights. Nazis, swastikas, and Jews have given way to witches, robes, and Native Americans in this sequel to Skokie.

The Constitution protects Collin's religion, what he chooses to wear, publish, and his right to assembly. With the proposed Skokie march and the legal help of the American Civil Liberties Union, Collin took his case all the way to the Supreme Court and won. It is not known when or whether Collin will again visit Aztalan and the Princess Mound, or if he'll pay the standard two-dollar admission, if he does.

Ironically, the skeleton at Aztalan is that of a robust male, as the original is too fragile and deteriorated. Now stored at the University of Milwaukee, the so-called "beaded princess" is thought to have been a local wise-woman or shaman -- the concept of "princess" was unknown in Native American society. Working with psychics, Collin believes the burial site is of "Katalani," the granddaughter of the marriage between an Old World visitor and a Native American from the Yucatan. Such manufactured history may sell books, but stands as much of a chance at being accepted by historians, as Collin has of being elected mayor of Skokie.

Ron and Carla Gay, along with their children, may have quite a time in store for them. As public volunteers, they provide assistance to tourists and other interested parties at the Native American site of Aztalan. Ron Gay suspects Collin of worshipping Satan, and holds that the sign of the swastika represents a "cutting through of Heaven." It will be interesting to the Gay family, legal students, and cultural historians to see which of his many faces Frank Joseph Collin wears next.

Updates:

2002
The following is taken from my online article, "Falling Into Burrows' Cave," and deals with Collin returning home to Chicago (albeit only in print). See the article on Burrows for context.

"...A recent story in the Chicago Reader (Huebner 2002a) about “The Waubansee Stone” featured Frank Joseph, editor of The Ancient American, who “didn’t actually view the Waubansee Stone till the early 1980s, when he embarked on a career in ‘cultural diffusionist’ studies...” Right. Frank Collin, neo-Nazi and pedophile, gets out of jail and becomes ‘Frank Joseph’. I wrote the Chicago Reader and expressed my disappointment (Flavin 2002). The author’s reply was pure wiggle (Huebner 2002b) and a columnist reasoned "that when someone starts out life as a Nazi, there's nowhere to go but up (Miner 2002)." Ouch."

Flavin, Richard. 2002. "Letters to the Editor: Secret Identity," Chicago Reader, Vol. 31, No. 16, Sect. 1, p.3. Unedited version: "To the Editor: Recently the Chicago Reader ran a story about a local enigmatic stone and featured comments by "Frank Joseph," an author, public speaker, and editor of THE ANCIENT AMERICAN magazine. "Joseph" is the pseudonym of Frank Collin, the half-Jewish, ex-neo-Nazi, and convicted pederast, who achieved infamy for, among other things, threatening to march in Skokie. Those who work with "Joseph" (his publishers, radio-talk show hosts, and others) know of his true identity and horrible past, but claim he's a changed man. [b]Today "Joseph" deals with such fantastic topics as Atlantis, UFOs, and specializes in a revisionist history which seeks to minimize the accomplishments of Native Americans and argues for a significant influence by Europeans and other Old World people before Columbus. It's one thing for crackpots to overlook Collin's past, because his interests coincide with their own, and another for the Chicago Reader to use this sicko as an authority. It's a shame his homecoming wasn't better publicized." [/b]
Huebner, Jeff. 2002a. "The Riddle of the Rock," Chicago Reader, Vol. 31, No. 14, Sect. 1, pp. 1 and 16-18.
Huebner, Jeff. 2002b. "Letters to the Editor: Jeff Huebner replies," Chicago Reader, Vol. 31, No. 16, Sect. 1, p.3. Huebner writes: "While I find his past indefensible, I can defend his right to espouse ideas about North American prehistory, as unpopular and far-fetched as they may be."
Miner, Michael. 2002. "Hot Type: News Bites," Chicago Reader, Vol. 31, No. 16, Sect. 1, pp. 4 and 5. After mention of a "spirited letter to the editor (Flavin 2002)," and discussing a past assignment involving Collin, Miner writes: "My view is that when someone starts out life as a Nazi, there's nowhere to go but up. If today Joseph is peddling the wacky theory that the Waubansee Stone -- the mysterious carved boulder that was the subject of Jeff Huebner's January 4 Reader cover story -- was sculpted by visiting Phoenicians 3,000 years ago, that's a lot less odious than the racial theories Collin pronounced back in the 70s. But Flavin sees a line from then to now. On his website, http://www.flavinscorner.com, he asserts, "The current rhetoric of Frank Collin is familiar to any reader knowledgeable of his past, as when Collin writes of an 'Aztec holocaust,' or discusses 'misegenation,' and 'racial identity.'" Flavin tells me, "In fact, some of his magazine articles and books are actually being marketed in some skinhead catalogs." Flavin, who describes himself as a "struggling novelist," lived in Chicago until 1994, when he moved east. He's a fantastic-archaeology buff himself but takes it far less seriously than Joseph: "If a couple of Romans did come over here, who cares?" As a writer, he's turned Frank Joseph into a cottage industry. He tells me he's had at him in the Greenwich Village Gazette and New City and the CD-ROM database Ethnic Newswatch, as well as his own Web site. I reached Joseph by phone and inquired about his unusual path through life. "I have nothing to say about that," he responded." Any reader, but a Chicago reader, it seems.

8-29-03
I received an e-mail recently suggesting Collin has been using “A. V. Shaerffenberg” as a pseudonym (a book review in Ancient American #4; Jan/Feb 1994, pp. 28-29 has this byline). AA #4 was the first to achieve a wide distribution and it’s safe to presume all published submissions were the result of prior direct mailings and not the product of unsolicited happenstance. The editorial office listed (bottom of p. 29) was Collin’s parent’s address. Shortly after my confirmation that the editor and writer 'Frank Joseph' was indeed Collin, I noted the various bylines in the magazine and attempted to contact both content authors and those whose letters to the editor had been published. The name “A. V. Schaerffenberg” interested me, however I was unable to locate the author at the time and the matter retired to my files. Now, almost a decade later and with the advent of Internet search-engines, finding material under this byline is easy. The author writing as “A. V. Schaerffenberg” is racist scum and I’m particularly offended by an attempt to portray Walt Disney as a Nazi sympathizer. In my opinion “A. V. Schaerffenberg” is not another pseudonym used by Collin, as the writing styles are different in compositional subtleties and adjectival usage. The hate-filled author using the byline of “A. V. Schaerffenberg” is actually a better writer than Collin. However, that this author published in an early issue of AA connects the editor 'Frank Joseph' with the infamy of Collin, despite claims in 1994 and later that he’s “not into that anymore...” Collin’s efforts are the stuff of psychology and legal decisions. Those associates of his? Fellow hawkers at a carnival of deceit. Caveat emptor.

3-20-04
During an afternoon of Google-surfing, I happened upon the webpage of a Canadian radio talk-show which specializes in New Age weirdness, sort of an Art Bell-lite program with more “Oh, the wonder of it!” as opposed to “The government and the aliens are working together to keep gas prices high, right?” Mindshift: Exploring The Un-Explained, hosted by Errol Bruce-Knapp, airs Sundays nights at 10 PM EST on CFRB AM1010 out of Toronto. The program guide to the show lists Collin (‘Frank Joseph’) several times as a guest. The most recent listing, in January, contains the description: “Regular contributor Frank Joseph whose latest book The Lost Treasure of King Juba chronicles the discovery of The Burrows Cave in Southern Illinois and its contents gives us an update on the dig at the site.....” [Note: Hyperlinks in the above description are as they appear on the Mindshift webpage.] A listing from 8-31-03 has Collin hawking another book, Synchronicity & You: Understanding the Role of Meaningful Coincidence in Your Life, by Frank Joseph (New York: Vega /Sterling, 2003). A cover-blurb, written by Shirley MacLaine, reads: “Frank Joseph’s book on synchronicity demonstrates, with research and understanding, how truly harmonious and balanced every act and event in our lives is - not just coincidence. It proves how we are all parts of a fabric of which we should be made more aware.” Collin ('Frank Joseph') has been a guest several times on Shirley's radio program starting with, I believe, promotion for the publication of his book Sacred Sites of the West, by Frank Joseph ( Blaine, Washington: Hancock House, 1997). A brief article, "Why Go to a Sacred Site?" by Frank Joseph appears on Shirley's website. During the summer and into the fall of 1980 Frank Collin and Russell Burrows were both at the Pontiac Correctional Center in Illinois and could have met. Collin was a neo-Nazi without a cause (as the local neo-Nazis didn't take kindly to finding out his father was Jewish) and serving time for being a homosexual pedophile. Burrows was a prison guard getting ready to quit because the drive was too far from his home and he didn't care for the stress which came with the job. Now, all these years later, Collin has a new book out about Burrows' Cave. Meaningful coincidence? Shirley might think so..


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So we learn that Ancient American magazine promotes Russell Burrows, another convict as well. The "Burrows Cave" story is another example of fraud, not as ambitious as McKane's but printable in the Ancient American rag.

Let's look at another assessment of Ancient American, by an anthropologist:

http://www.andywhiteanthropology.com/Brian Laundrie ... n-magazine


What is the Purpose of "Ancient American" Magazine?
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I'll break the suspense and answer the question right away with a quote from page five of the latest issue:

"The purpose of Ancient American is to describe the true prehistory of the American continent, regardless of presently fashionable belief systems, and provide a public forum for certified experts and non-professionals alike to freely express their views without fear or favor."
My experience with Ancient American has been limited. My wife bought me an issue about a year and a half ago that had a cover story about a "giant skeleton" from New York (I wrote about it here), and I bought another issue last spring while I was trying to track down the story of the "oxhide ingot" from Michigan.

I bought the latest issue (111) this morning because it has the "Roman sword" on the cover and an article titled "The Cursed Oak Island Artifacts" by J. Hutton Pulitzer. I skimmed through the article and didn't see anything about the sword. If you can't get enough of Pulitzer's sour grapes "tech-mogul-turned-explorer-turned-warrior-for-truth" puffery, then by all means you should spend your own $4.95 to read about the latitudes and longitudes of where he takes phone calls from important people who think he's awesome. Otherwise, save your money.
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The cover of the new issue of "Ancient American" magazine. The story in this issue doesn't talk about the sword.
As I flipped through the rest of the pdf, I couldn't help but wonder about the audience for this publication. The first "news" piece in this issue ("Traces Of A 9,000-Year-Old Lost Unknown Civilization Discovered in Lake Huron, Michigan") is a word-for-word reprinting of a piece that has been available free online at the Message To Eagle website since August of 2014. Well, it's not quite word-for-word, as the printed copy that was cut-and-pasted into the magazine includes one of the photo captions out-of-place in the text and the phrase "Lake Huron lost civilization" (presumably a page header) inserted into the narrative twice. My colleagues at Michigan who are doing this work may be surprised to learn that they're uncovering a "lost, unknown civilization" rather than the remains hunting blinds for driving caribou.

Reading on in this issue, you'll find a story about a rock from Michigan that was somehow determined by Wayne May (the publisher) to be an idol of a human head dating to the period 1000 BC - AD 400, Pulitzer's piece, an article about bison that was also reprinted straight from content that's freely accessible online, a review of the almost-forty-year-old Brad Steiger book Worlds Before Our Own by former Nazi Frank Joseph, a misleading article about the Kennewick Man controversy, some advertisements for books . . . finally there are a few pieces which may actually contain some content related to original scholarship. Since I paid my $4.95, I'll actually read through those and see if there's anything I'm interested in writing about.

Ancient American has been in print since 1993. As far as I can tell, much of the content has been directed at promoting just about anything that fits within a hyper-diffusionist paradigm: everyone, everywhere, all the time. The great irony in how the magazine bills itself (quoted above) is that it's really impossible to both "describe the true prehistory" and allow all ideas equal weight "without fear or favor." Not all ideas about prehistory can be "true," of course, so how do you separate the credible from the non-credible within some kind of "safe space" where we all pledge not to think critically? You can't. An unwillingness to try to falsify anything means you have to accept everything and somehow fit it all into a narrative. When you're mired only on the induction side of the inductive-deductive process (trying to concoct a story to explain the "facts" that you've got in front you), you really run into a problem if you have no means or desire to winnow out good pieces of evidence from the garbage (see this post for an expanded discussion). So paint me a picture of the "true prehistory" of North America that incorporates everyone's bad ideas, misinterpretations, and fraudulent artifacts. I'd like to see that.

The stated purpose of Ancient American makes me wonder if the magazine would be amenable to a Fake Hercules Sword article written by me? Or perhaps a point-counterpoint where Pulitzer and I can discuss the key issues around the sword(s). If you really want to get beyond "fashionable belief systems," you might want to try embracing the self-correcting nature of science. It tends to produce some pretty good results if you let it.

And you may also want to invest in some additional proofreading.

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Jason Colavito on Ancient American, Wayne May, and Frank Collin:

Other fringe figures who have published with or written for Frank Joseph include: Brad Steiger, Zecharia Sitchin, Laura Lee, Andrew Collins, Gunnar Thompson, David Childress, Cyclone Covey, and of course Joseph’s longtime colleague, the Mormon hyper-diffusionist Wayne May, who gave Joseph his influential perch as the editor of May’s Ancient American magazine, which still employs him as a staff correspondent.

Fringe figures returned the favor. Most famously, May has financed Joseph through Ancient American for decades. Brian Haughton invited Frank Joseph to write the forward for his Hidden History (2007). David Childress published some of Frank Joseph’s work in World Explorer magazine in the early 1990s, and he went on an “investigation” with Joseph, which he reported in Lost Cities of North and Central America (1993), all without mentioning his Nazi past, perhaps because he wasn’t aware of it at the time. Is it just a coincidence that right after this, when Childress started to get gigs on cable TV documentaries, suddenly Frank Joseph disappears from his work? He is entirely absent from Childress’s Lost Cities of Atlantis (1996), for example, a strange omission since Joseph, of course, was already then famous as an investigator of Atlantis. (His first book was Destruction of Atlantis in 1987.) In 1993 they were on a first-name basis and Childress was proud to have published his work on Phoenicians in Chicago. What changed?

Now let me make clear: Those who work with Frank Joseph have been very careful to let him promote his ideas without reference to his past. Here is how New Page Books gives his biography on the back cover of his anthology Lost Worlds of Ancient America, a book that posits repeated colonization of America by the superior forces of white Europeans:
Frank Joseph became the editor in chief (sic) of Ancient American magazine when it was founded in 1993. His 20 books, which have been published in various languages around the world, include… A frequent radio talk show guest, he has been interviewed by Shirley MacLaine, Art Bell, Jeff Rense, Rob McConnell, and numerous other broadcast hosts.
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Re: For bomgeography, the church of my youth

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[MODERATOR NOTE: tapirrider, please discontinue using bomgeography's real name unless he or she has explicitly revealed it here.

Thank you.]
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Re: For bomgeography, the church of my youth

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Dr. Shades wrote:[MODERATOR NOTE: tapirrider, please discontinue using bomgeography's real name unless he or she has explicitly revealed it here.

Thank you.]


I hope you don't mind my addressing this because I also use his name, but only because he has posted it here himself; here is an example dated Aug. 1, 2016, from the thread: Book of Mormon DNA Evidence, where he posted an exchange he had with Southerton:
bomgeography wrote:

David McKane · November 20, 2015 at 4:29 pm

Simon,
The reference you are using I extensively quote in the essay....

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Re: For bomgeography, the church of my youth

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Dr. Shades wrote:[MODERATOR NOTE: tapirrider, please discontinue using bomgeography's real name unless he or she has explicitly revealed it here.

Thank you.]


He has revealed it here.
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Re: For bomgeography, the church of my youth

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bomgeography wrote:Oh and I should probably clarify I have 15 years combined in the Air national and Army National Guard currently on deployment.


That's pretty unusual. How did you leave the Air NG and get accepted into the Army NG? Or are you talking about being a contractor?

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