Mormons and Donald Trump "the PC" crowd

[_Mittens]

Donald Trump thinks America’s biggest problem is political correctness and the down fall of America and this world. This has caused the Republican Party losing it big lead in Utah. To Mormons the “PC’ crowd dictates it theology to political correctness . Here’s a good example.



What Mormons teach about the birth of a handicapped Child and minorities especially in third world countries

"This privilege of obtaining a mortal body on this earth is seemingly so priceless that those in the spirit world, even though unfaithful or not valient, were undoubtedly permitted to take mortal bodies although under penalty of racial or physical or nationalistic limitations...." (Decisions for Successful Living pp 164-165) TLDP: 497- Harold B. Lee



“There is no truth more plainly taught in the Gospel than that our condition in the next world will depend upon the kind of lives we live here. …Is it not just as reasonable to suppose that the conditions in which we now live have been determined by the kind of lives we lived in the pre-existent world of spirits? That the apostles understood this principle is indicated by their question to the Master when the man who was blind from his birth was healed of his blindness, ‘Master, who did sin, this man or his parents that he was born blind?’ (John 9:2.) Now perhaps you will have a partial answer to some of your questions as to why, if God is a just Father, that some of his children are born of an enlightened race and in a time when the Gospel is upon the earth, while others are born of a heathen parentage in a benighted, backward country; and still others are born to parents who have the mark of a black skin with which the seed of Cain were cursed and whose descendants were to be denied the rights of the priesthood of God”

(Harold B. Lee, Decisions for Successful Living, pp. 164-165).

Is there reason then why the type of birth we receive in this life is not a reflection of our worthiness or lack of it in the pre‑existent life? We must accept the justice of God. He is fair to all. With that in mind, we can account in no other way for the birth of some of the children of God in darkest Africa, or in flood‑ridden China, or among the starving hordes of India, while some of the rest of us are born in the United States? We cannot escape the conclusion that because of performance in our pre‑existence some of us are born as Chinese, some as Japanese, some as Indians, some as Negroes, some as Americans, some as Latter‑day Saints. There are rewards and punishments, fully in harmony with His established policy in dealing with sinners and saints, rewarding all according to their deeds.

"Let us consider the great mercy of God for a moment. a Chinese, born in China with a dark skin, and with all the handicaps of that race seems to have little opportunity. but think of the mercy of god to Chinese people who are willing to accept the gospel. In spite of whatever they might have done in the pre-existence to justify being born over there as Chinamen, if they now, in this life, accept the gospel and live it the rest of their lives they can have the Priesthood, go to the temple and receive endowments and sealings, and that means they can have exaltation. Isn't the mercy of God marvelous?

https://www.lds.org/scriptures/tg/ma...ce-of?lang=eng

Notice in todays Mormon official website John 9:2 is still a proof verse for pre-existence . This is at the heart of "The Mormon plan of salvation "

Think of the Negro, cursed as to the priesthood... This Negro, who in the pre-existence lived the type of life which justified the Lord in sending him to the earth in the lineage of Cain with a black skin, and possibly being born in darkest Africa--if that Negro is willing when he hears the gospel to accept it, he may have many of the blessings of the gospel. In spite of all he did in the pre-existent life, the Lord is willing, if the Negro accepts the gospel with real, sincerer faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessing of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost. If that Negro is faithful all his days, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory. (Race Problems--As They Affect The Church, An address by Mark E. Petersen at the Convention of Teachers of Religion on the College level; Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah, August 27, 1954.)


Mark E. Petersen, Race Problems as they Affect the Church



This teaching is at the heart of Mormonism and the Mormon plan of salvation yet most Mormons will think Harold B Lee and Mark E Peterson teaching is repulsive since it’s politically incorrect. Mitt Romney even condemns Donald Trump for suggesting a wall and yet Brigham Young said this “

Even before the migration to Mexico had begun, Apostle Brigham Young, Jr. had warned members of the Church living in Arizona ‘that the blood of Cain was more predominant in these Mexicans than that of Israel.’ For this reason he ‘condemned the mixing’ of Mormons with ‘outsiders.’”
- B. Carmon Hardy, “Cultural ‘Encystment’ as a Cause of the Exodus from Mexico in 1912,” Pacific Historical Review, v. 34, 1965, p. 447



So Mormons will say this is opinion and not doctrine. Mormons follow this rule “If a leader says something we agree with, “it’s doctrine". If a leader says something that’s embarrassing it’s “opinion” even if it's been believed and taught for hundreds of years. My wife worked with a Mormon lady who's husband was a Mormon Bishop and she would say she was blessed to be born in America because of her righteous life in the pre-existence. This teachings permanents Mormonism, even thou it ends up being politically incorrect when you think of the implications of this teaching .

[_Mittens]

This doctrine teaches that the Justice of God follows us into this world from the Spirit world and when we leave here the justice of God will follow us into the next world. It also teaches that there is no such thing as chance, luck of the draw. That each one is born exactly where and when and to whom according to the will of God based on justice.

bert12

interesting note that a long time Mormon apologist agrees with Harold B Lee and Mark E Peterson on another forum

[_Dr. Shades]

bert12

Who is "bert12?"

[_Mittens]

bert12 is a Mormon on the CARM forum from Alberta Canada I believe