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 Post subject: Does the First Presidency have its priorities right?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:51 am 
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President Dieter F. Uchtdorf, second counselor in the First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons), threw out the first pitch at a recent Los Angeles Dodgers baseball game.

In what has become an annual tradition, more than 8,000 Latter-day Saints enjoyed a nice evening at California’s Dodger Stadium for Mormon Night with the Dodgers. The more than 25-year tradition was continued Friday, 29 June 2012.

The highlight of the evening came when President Uchtdorf threw out the ceremonial first pitch. The crowd greeted him with a loud cheer as his name was announced. The pitch was caught by Elder William Reynolds, a Seventy in the Church. Honorary umpire Kevin Hamilton, director of the Southern California Public Affairs Council, called the pitch a strike.


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What's more, an estimated one in nine children die before their fifth birthday, 20 per cent are malnourished, and only 13 per cent have access to adequate sanitation.

UNICEF has been working with the country's new government to develop policy in education, water and sanitation and justice for children. For example, a growing number of children are getting access to improved drinking water, and just this year, the Sudan People’s Liberation Army signed a commitment to have no children within its ranks.


I wonder when the head of UNICEF will get to toss the first pitch at a Dodgers game...

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:05 am 
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President Dieter F. Uchtdorf, second counselor in the First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons), threw out the first pitch at a recent Los Angeles Dodgers baseball game.

In what has become an annual tradition, more than 8,000 Latter-day Saints enjoyed a nice evening at California’s Dodger Stadium for Mormon Night with the Dodgers. The more than 25-year tradition was continued Friday, 29 June 2012.

The highlight of the evening came when President Uchtdorf threw out the ceremonial first pitch. The crowd greeted him with a loud cheer as his name was announced. The pitch was caught by Elder William Reynolds, a Seventy in the Church. Honorary umpire Kevin Hamilton, director of the Southern California Public Affairs Council, called the pitch a strike.


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What's more, an estimated one in nine children die before their fifth birthday, 20 per cent are malnourished, and only 13 per cent have access to adequate sanitation.

UNICEF has been working with the country's new government to develop policy in education, water and sanitation and justice for children. For example, a growing number of children are getting access to improved drinking water, and just this year, the Sudan People’s Liberation Army signed a commitment to have no children within its ranks.


I wonder when the head of UNICEF will get to toss the first pitch at a Dodgers game...

most likely not, they tend to appoint ambassadors for that, such as Jackie Chan.
So, any action by the first presidency that is not directly involved with Africa's starving children is a point of contention with you?, absurd reality you have constructed.
Besides, the head of UNICEF is a temporary, transitory stepping block position, like Ann Veneman who left UNICEF to be US Agriculture secretary, Anthony Lake is probably too busy writing another book, and Carol Bellamy moved on to that delightful organization World Learning. Something about UNICEF must not lead people to lifelong dedication.
UNICEF is a great organization but it seems like your beef may be with the Dodgers not the LDS church.

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 Post subject: Re: Does the First Presidency have its priorities right?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:19 am 
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subgenius wrote:
UNICEF is a great organization but it seems like your beef may be with the Dodgers not the LDS church.


Well who hasn't got a beef with them?

Seriously though:
It is beginning to feel like the First Presidency have time to attend the grand opening of an envelope.

And when Holland goes to Africa, all the pictures are of him in Church buildings with white shirted African members. Why isn't he out there bringing the attention of the world's Mormons to the plight of the starving millions? Here is an emissary of Christ on one of the most impoverished continents on the planet and he's looking for a warm fuzzy for lds.org.

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In an interview in Accra, Ghana, Elder Holland discussed the challenges the Church has faced in dealing with poverty in Africa.

“The Brethren knew, years ago, that we would be coming here, because the gospel is for all the world, and we knew that our African brothers and sisters were more than deserving. We also knew that [for the Church] Africa was this new, big frontier, and I think many were worried about the financial and welfare-related implications. How do you address such poverty? How do you address such third-world circumstances? It is still something we think about,” he said.


Easy...let's go shopping...


Disgraceful.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 7:58 pm 
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The First Presidency does not seem to be overly concerned with its ostensible mission. Waving in parades, and telling people "1, 2, 3, let's go shopping!" is kind of low-priority, yet they do it.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 5:34 am 
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M.org and its crooners, like to play the popularity game.
They advise members to try to live celestial law, consecration etc...
not to gamble nor take part in raffles or lotteries...

Whilst the organisation its self feels it needs to protect its stocks,shares and investments,
which means all the good they do sending bags of wheat to 3rd world countries, is a front for them buying up farmland and monopolizing the farmers markets yet know not to be dumb enough to follow Jesus and give ALL they have to the poor.

Try as they might, they cannot quite, give the widows mite.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:53 pm 
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And when Holland goes to Africa, all the pictures are of him in Church buildings with white shirted African members. Why isn't he out there bringing the attention of the world's Mormons to the plight of the starving millions? Here is an emissary of Christ on one of the most impoverished continents on the planet and he's looking for a warm fuzzy for LDS.org.

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In an interview in Accra, Ghana, Elder Holland discussed the challenges the Church has faced in dealing with poverty in Africa.

“The Brethren knew, years ago, that we would be coming here, because the gospel is for all the world, and we knew that our African brothers and sisters were more than deserving. We also knew that [for the Church] Africa was this new, big frontier, and I think many were worried about the financial and welfare-related implications. How do you address such poverty? How do you address such third-world circumstances? It is still something we think about,” he said.




This is actually an important policy consideration for the Church. The Seventh Day Adventists are growing three times faster than the LDS Church. A big difference is they invest in hospitals, schools and the economic infrastructure of developing nations. Give a man a fish and potatoes and he can have fish and chips. Give a man a job and he will become a religious adherent.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 3:13 pm 
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The Seventh Day Adventists are growing three times faster than the LDS Church. A big difference is they invest in hospitals, schools and the economic infrastructure of developing nations.


And yet there are Christians who argue that Seventh Day Adventists are themselves not Christians because of their somewhat unorthodox interpretation of the Trinity.

Just goes to show how little modern Christianity has to do with Christ.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 3:32 pm 
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todays anti-Mormon sermon august 19/2012

24 “A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master.

25 It is enough for a disciple that he be like his teacher, and a servant like his master. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more will they call those of his household!

[Beelzebub] means “Lord of the Flies’”

26 Therefore do not fear them. For there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known.

{ anti-Mormon statement since they like hiding things from investagators and non-Mormons ]

27 “Whatever I tell you in the dark, speak in the light; and what you hear in the ear, preach on the housetops.

{ anti-Mormon statement since they like hiding things from investagators and non-Mormons ]

28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

[ Mormonism kills the soul and sometimes the body “ blood atonement doctrine” ]

29 Are not two sparrows sold for a copper coin? And not one of them falls to the ground apart from your Father’s will.

30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

31 Do not fear therefore; you are of more value than many sparrows.

32 “Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven.

33 But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.

34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword.

35 For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’;

36 and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’

37 He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.

[ Mormons prefer the family over Jesus]

38 And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.

[ Mormons deny the Cross ]

39 He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it.

40 “He who receives you receives Me, and he who receives Me receives Him who sent Me.

41 He who receives a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet’s reward. And he who receives a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man’s reward.

42 And whoever gives one of these little ones only a cup of cold water in the name of a disciple, assuredly, I say to you, he shall by no means lose his reward.”


one of the Songs we sang today at Church describe Evangelic God with Mormon god

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 3:35 pm 
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The Erotic Apologist wrote:
moksha wrote:
The Seventh Day Adventists are growing three times faster than the LDS Church. A big difference is they invest in hospitals, schools and the economic infrastructure of developing nations.


And yet there are Christians who argue that Seventh Day Adventists are themselves not Christians because of their somewhat unorthodox interpretation of the Trinity.

Just goes to show how little modern Christianity has to do with Christ.


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could you explain the Seventh Day Adventists unorthodox interpretation of the Trinity.

since I thought they believed in Three Separate and Distinct Persons with in the nature of the One God like the rest of the Christian world


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could you explain the Seventh Day Adventists unorthodox interpretation of the Trinity.

since I thought they believed in Three Separate and Distinct Persons with in the nature of the One God like the rest of the Christian world


No, I can't, because I'm not the one who's going around saying they're not Christians. But there are several Christian sites on the net that can answer that question.

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The Erotic Apologist wrote:
Mittens wrote:
could you explain the Seventh Day Adventists unorthodox interpretation of the Trinity.

since I thought they believed in Three Separate and Distinct Persons with in the nature of the One God like the rest of the Christian world


No, I can't, because I'm not the one who's going around saying they're not Christians. But there are several Christian sites on the net that can answer that question.


Since Adventist and Evangelic believe in the Trinity the same you would have problems finding a distinction


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Since Adventist and Evangelic believe in the Trinity the same you would have problems finding a distinction


What are you talking about? It's not my problem.

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I don't think anyone has an obligation to the starving children in any country that doesn't have a real democracy and/or has a Socialist economy as these types of things perpetuate the problem no matter what others do. The obligation in those cases is to remove such governments and economies first and the Church is not a military organization.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:22 am 
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bcspace wrote:
I don't think anyone has an obligation to the starving children in any country that doesn't have a real democracy...


You need to read, ponder and pray about this....


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What Is Charity?

How would you define charity?


The life of the Savior reflects His pure love for all people. He even gave His life for us. Charity is that pure love which our Savior Jesus Christ has. He has commanded us to love one another as He loves us. The scriptures tell us that charity comes from a pure heart (see 1 Timothy 1:5). We have pure love when, from the heart, we show genuine concern and compassion for all our brothers and sisters.


Charity Is the Greatest of All Virtues

The prophet Mormon tells us, “Wherefore, cleave unto charity, which is the greatest of all, for all things must fail—but charity is the pure love of Christ, and it endureth forever” (Moroni 7:46–47; see also 1 Corinthians 13; 2 Nephi 26:30; Moroni 7:44–45, 48).

The Savior gave us the example of His life to follow. He was the Son of God. He had perfect love, and He showed us how to love. By His example, He showed us that the spiritual and physical needs of our fellowmen are as important as our own. Before He gave His life for us, He said:

“This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

“Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends” (John 15:12–13).

Speaking to the Lord, Moroni said:

“I remember that thou hast said that thou hast loved the world, even unto the laying down of thy life for the world. …

“And now I know that this love which thou hast had for the children of men is charity; wherefore, except men shall have charity they cannot inherit that place which thou hast prepared in the mansions of thy Father” (Ether 12:33–34).

It may not be necessary for us to give our lives as the Savior did. But we can have charity if we make Him the center of our lives and follow His example and teachings. Like the Savior, we too can bless the lives of our brothers and sisters here on earth.


Why is charity the greatest of all virtues?


Charity Includes Giving to the Sick, Afflicted, and Poor

The Savior gave us many teachings in the form of stories or parables. The parable of the good Samaritan teaches us that we should give to those in need, regardless of whether they are our friends or not (see Luke 10:30–37; see also James E. Talmage, Jesus the Christ, 3rd ed. [1916], 430–32). In the parable, the Savior said that a man was traveling to another city. On the road he was attacked by bandits. They stole his clothes and money and beat him, leaving him half dead. A priest came along, saw him, and passed him by. Then a temple attendant walked over, looked at him, and went on. However, a Samaritan, who was despised by the Jews, came along, and when he saw the man he felt compassion (see the picture in this chapter). Kneeling beside him, the good Samaritan bandaged his wounds and took him on a donkey to an inn. He paid the innkeeper to take care of the man until he recovered.



Jesus taught that we should give food to the hungry, shelter to those who have none, and clothes to the poor. When we visit the sick and those who are in prison, it is as if we were doing these things for Him instead. He promises that as we do these things, we will inherit His kingdom. (See Matthew 25:34–46.)

We should not try to decide whether someone really deserves our help or not (see Mosiah 4:16–24). If we have taken care of our own family’s needs first, then we should help all who need help. In this way we will be like our Father in Heaven, who causes rain to fall on the just and on the unjust alike (see Matthew 5:44–45).

President Thomas S. Monson reminded us that there are those who need more than material goods:

“Let us ask ourselves the questions: ‘Have I done any good in the world today? Have I helped anyone in need?’ [Hymns, no. 223]. What a formula for happiness! What a prescription for contentment, for inner peace—to have inspired gratitude in another human being.

“Our opportunities to give of ourselves are indeed limitless, but they are also perishable. There are hearts to gladden. There are kind words to say. There are gifts to be given. There are deeds to be done. There are souls to be saved” (in Conference Report, Oct. 2001, 72; or Ensign, Nov. 2001, 60).

In the parable of the good Samaritan, how would you describe those who passed the injured man? How would you describe the Samaritan? In what ways can we apply the message of this parable in our lives?



Charity Comes from the Heart

How can we love people in spite of their sins and faults?


Even when we give to those in need, unless we feel compassion for them we do not have charity (see 1 John 3:16–17). The Apostle Paul taught that when we have charity we are filled with good feelings for all people. We are patient and kind. We are not boastful or proud, selfish or rude. When we have charity we do not remember or rejoice in the evil others have done. Neither do we do good things just because it is to our advantage. Instead, we share the joy of those who live by truth. When we have charity we are loyal, we believe the best of others, and we are kind to them. The scriptures teach that “charity never faileth.” (See 1 Corinthians 13:4–8.)

The Savior was our example of how to feel toward and treat others. He despised wickedness, but He loved sinners in spite of their sins. He had compassion for children, the elderly, the poor, and the needy. He had such great love that He could beg our Heavenly Father to forgive the soldiers who drove the nails into His hands and feet (see Luke 23:34). He taught us that if we do not forgive others, our Father in Heaven will not forgive us (see Matthew 18:33–35). He said: “I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you. … For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye?” (Matthew 5:44, 46). We must learn to feel toward others as Jesus did.


Developing the Virtue of Charity

How can we become more charitable?



For teachers: Under the heading “Developing the Virtue of Charity,” each of the first four paragraphs teaches one way we can become more charitable. If the setting allows for small group discussion, consider dividing class members or family members into groups of four. Assign one of the four paragraphs to each member of each group. Invite participants to study their assigned paragraphs individually. Ask them to think of examples, from the lives of people they know or people in the scriptures, that represent this way of becoming charitable. Then ask them to share their examples with each other in their groups.

One way we can become charitable is by studying the life of Jesus Christ and keeping His commandments. We can study what He did in certain situations and do the same things when we are in the same kinds of situations.

Second, when we have uncharitable feelings, we can pray to have greater charity. Mormon urges us, “Pray unto the Father with all the energy of heart, that ye may be filled with this love [charity], which he hath bestowed upon all who are true followers of his Son, Jesus Christ” (Moroni 7:48).

Third, we can learn to love ourselves, which means that we understand our true worth as children of our Heavenly Father. The Savior taught that we must love others as we love ourselves (see Matthew 22:39). To love ourselves, we must respect and trust ourselves. This means that we must be obedient to the principles of the gospel. We must repent of any wrongdoings. We must forgive ourselves when we have repented. We will come to love ourselves better when we can feel the deep, comforting assurance that the Savior truly loves us.

Fourth, we can avoid thinking we are better than other people. We can have patience with their faults. Joseph Smith said, “The nearer we get to our heavenly Father, the more we are disposed to look with compassion on perishing souls; we feel that we want to take them upon our shoulders, and cast their sins behind our backs” (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith [2007], 428–29).

In the Book of Mormon we read of Enos, a young man who wanted to know that his sins had been forgiven. He tells us:

“My soul hungered; and I kneeled down before my Maker, and I cried unto him in mighty prayer and supplication for mine own soul; and all the day long did I cry unto him; yea, and when the night came I did still raise my voice high that it reached the heavens.

“And there came a voice unto me, saying: Enos, thy sins are forgiven thee, and thou shalt be blessed” (Enos 1:4–5).

The Lord explained to Enos that because of his faith in Christ his sins had been forgiven. When Enos heard these words he no longer was concerned about himself. He knew the Lord loved him and would bless him. He began instead to feel concern for the welfare of his friends and relatives, the Nephites. He poured out his whole soul unto God for them. The Lord answered and said they would be blessed according to their faithfulness in keeping the commandments they had already been given. Enos’s love increased even further after these words, and he prayed with many long strugglings for the Lamanites, who were the enemies of the Nephites. The Lord granted his desires, and he spent the rest of his life trying to save the souls of the Nephites and the Lamanites. (See Enos 1:6–26.)

Enos was so grateful for the Lord’s love and forgiveness that he willingly spent the rest of his life helping others receive this same gift. Enos had become truly charitable. We too can do so. In fact, we must do so to inherit the place that has been prepared for us in our Father’s kingdom.


Gospel Principles Chapter 30 'Charity'

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 6:04 am 
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Just goes to show how little modern Christianity has to do with Christ.

seemingly you know little about either of these, so how you can make such a flawed statement is predictable.

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seemingly you know little about either of these, so how you can make such a flawed statement is predictable.


What Drifting said. You need to ponder and pray about what it talks about in Chapter 30 of Gospel Principles.

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What Drifting said. You need to ponder and pray about what it talks about in Chapter 30 of Gospel Principles.

again, it is apparent you have little knowledge on either subject, especially "what it talks about" in chapter 30.
Your catholic memes offer little merit to your claims, but i am sure you have a great future in t-shirt and bumper sticker sales.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:13 pm 
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subgenius wrote:
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What Drifting said. You need to ponder and pray about what it talks about in Chapter 30 of Gospel Principles.

again, it is apparent you have little knowledge on either subject, especially "what it talks about" in chapter 30.
Your catholic memes offer little merit to your claims, but i am sure you have a great future in t-shirt and bumper sticker sales.


The Temple recommend interview asks if the member pays an honest tithe. Not if the member is charitable. And as we know, the Church is not prepared to guarentee that a members tithing will be spent on that which it was donated for...

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Drifting wrote:
The Temple recommend interview asks if the member pays an honest tithe. Not if the member is charitable.

so what?

The first 3 questions for a Temple recommend well establish the charitable nature of a member. Additionally the ordinances and covenants within the Temple establish likewise.....even the proceedings of taking sacrament every week cover this....service project activity, etc....

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:52 pm 
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subgenius wrote:
Drifting wrote:
The Temple recommend interview asks if the member pays an honest tithe. Not if the member is charitable.

so what?

The first 3 questions for a Temple recommend well establish the charitable nature of a member. Additionally the ordinances and covenants within the Temple establish likewise.....even the proceedings of taking sacrament every week cover this....service project activity, etc....


:lol:

You realise that cleaning the chapel toilets and opening a mall aren't charitable activities...right?

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 Post subject: Re: Does the First Presidency have its priorities right?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:25 pm 
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Personally I would never trust anyone who claims they talk to God,
+ God wants you to share your wealth and be communist, but i just spoke to him and he'll do you a special introductory offer of 10%.

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