Sub would you mind explaining a bit how a European would be out of place saying the exact same thing about "these united States"?
i never said they would be...and my response was in kind to Drift's
Why do Americans (I'm generalising obviously) think Europe is a country?
What about the system Bush employed? The one where you keep counting and recounting votes until the numbers add up to you winning...
Although as I recall it was Bush's challenger who had the (re)counting problem...
the system Bush employed? that comment seemed rather nonsensical...still not sure how it related to the discussion...nor why you bring it up here.
The key thing to remember is that its not about counting votes but rather which votes you count....as was the case with Bush (who did not win, nor had to win, the popular vote at all - on these United States the most votes does not mean you get elected, the most "representatives" does)