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PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2015 6:39 pm 
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Mormonism straw man perpetrated by below link and others

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One of the interesting things Mormons teach is that Traditional Christians teach God is without body, parts and Passions when discussing the early Creeds of the Christian Faith. Last week I met with two missionary sisters who brought along two older Mormons a Husband and wife born in the 1940s like me and the first thing the wife accused me was believing in was a God with out body, parts, or passions . I told her none of the early creeds taught that and she was misinformed since Jesus is God with body parts and passions

1 Timothy 2


1 Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, 2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,


To be a man like Jesus in heaven you have a body parts and passions. Parts could mean Jesus like all humans have body soul and spirit, three parts. "Jesus wept" the must mean passions. So why would the Creeds teach a false doctrine like Jeffrey R Holland and Le Grand Richards would teach as Mormon authorities

another source of this accusation and lie from LDS authorities would be from In Marvelous Work and A Wonder, Le Grand Richards . I'm sure their plenty more but these I remember


The Visit of the Father and Son is from Le Grand Richards book where he quotes something from the Liahona which is a quote from a 17th century confession of faith called Westminster confession and not a major Creed . Yet both leaders try to have us believe it is a early Creed both statements are very deceptive and Mormons propagate this deception just like this couple did last week

Let us examine the description of the God of the Presbyterian Church:

There is but one living and true God, who is infinite in being and perfection, a most pure spirit, invisible, without body, parts or passions, immutable, immense, eternal, incomprehensible, almighty, most wise, most holy, most free, most absolute, working all things according to the counsel of his immutable and righteous will, for his own glory; most loving, gracious, merciful, long-suffering, abundant in goodness and truth, forgiving iniquity, transgression and sin; the rewarder of them that diligently seek him; and with all most just and terrible in his judgments; hating all sin, and who will by no means clear the guilty. (Presbyterian Church Confession of Faith, chap. 2, art. 1, quoted from Liahona, op. cit., p. 269.)


Other leaders of Mormonism teaching this information and lies



Joseph Smith and the Doctrinal Restoration

by Sperry Symposium

The Body of God and the Bodies of His Children
Seeing in vision the glorious bodies of the Father and the Son must have been pivotal for Joseph's understanding of the human body, as demonstrated by the fact that He utterly rejected the God of the creeds when he stated, "That which is without body, parts, and passions is nothing."30 Elder Parley P. Pratt, in his Key to the Science of Theology, elaborated on this thesis.31


Journal of Discourses, vol. 19

Yet this is incorporated in the articles of faith of some of the Christian societies and especially in their theological writings. They try to make spiritual existence as mysterious as they possibly can, and often declare our Father and God to be a person, and yet, according to their articles of faith, he is said to be without body, parts or passions, as though we could comprehend the existence of something without a body or parts.

Journal of Discourses, vol. 5

Some of you, my hearers, may be surprised, especially the rising generation growing up in these valleys, when I tell you that there are millions of Christians (so called), who believe that God occupies no space, that is, as a body, and yet is a person. You read the 39 Articles of the Methodists, which are more or less copied from those of the Church of England. In the Methodist discipline it reads: We believe in one God, consisting of three persons, without body, without parts, without passions.

They may shoot, and they will see Brigham a little to one side, and Heber in another place, and fire away—at what? At shadows. We shall live as long as the Lord wants us to. They may lie and write lies, and they may stay here, if they behave themselves; but if they do not stop their devilish conduct they will be overtaken; for we will make their words true in regard to their being in danger, if they persist in their efforts to bring destruction upon us. We do not ask any odds of them, nor of hell, nor of the world. We only ask favours of our God; and He is the Being we serve: to Him we go; and we do not pray to a God without body, parts, passions, or principles; for we do not serve such a personage. We serve the living and true God, who has body, and parts, and passions, and feelings for His children; and the wicked may help themselves the best they can. Amen.

Mormon Doctrine of Deity

by B. H. Roberts

sectarianism! O atheism!! O annihilation!!! Who can perceive the nice shades of difference between the one and the other? They seem alike all but in name. The atheist has no God.


The sectarian has a God without body or parts. Who can define the difference? for our part we do not perceive a difference of a single hair; they both claim to be the negative of all things which exist—and both are equally powerless and unknown.


The atheist has no after life, or conscious existence beyond the grave.


The sectarian has one, but it is immaterial like his God; and without body or parts. Here again both are negative, and both are at the same point. Their faith and hope amount to the same, only they are expressed by different terms.


Mormon Doctrine

by Bruce R. McConkie
Passions


See ANGER, HATRED, LOVE, PASSION OF Christ. Emotional feelings of love, ardor, affection, hate, anger, bitterness, and the like, are collectively called passions. To exhibit these or kindred emotions is to show passion. To be passionless is to display neither anger, love, or other emotion; it is to be tranquil and unmoved. Passions are of two kinds: 1. Holy passions such as love, hatred of evil, and righteous anger, which incite to godliness; and 2. Unholy passions such as jealousy, hate, and unbridled sex desires, which lead men downward.


Passions appertain to and are a part of every stage of existence; spirits in pre-existence, mortal men, and immortal beings all are subject to passions of one sort or another. God himself is the embodiment, in perfection, of every holy and pure passion. He is a jealous God (Ex. 20:5), so much so that Jealous is his very name. (Ex. 34:14.) He is a God of love (1 John 4:7-21); he hates evil abominations (Prov. 6:16-19), and so forth.


The falsity of statements in sectarian creeds that their Deity is without body, parts, and passions, is only exceeded by the absurdity of such assertions. A God without passions cannot exist, for he would neither love his children, hate their evil ways, or be importuned by their pleas for mercy; he would sit tranquilly by, being neither moved nor affected by any occurrence, reacting neither to good or evil, and hence able to bestow no rewards and impose no penalties. As Lehi said, he would "have vanished away." (2 Ne. 2:11-13.)


Appetites, desires, and passions which incite to evil are part of the nature of mortal man. (Acts 14:15; Jas. 5:17; Alma 50:30.) Fallen man is by nature carnal, sensual, and devilish. (Moses 5:13; D. & C. 20:20; Mosiah 3:19; Alma 42:10.) One of the great purposes of mortality is to test him and see if he will bridle his passions. (Alma 38:12.) Incontinency, which is lack of restraint and failure to bridle one's passions (particularly where sex desires are concerned), is one of the modern day signs proving the great apostasy. (2 Tim. 3:3.)

It would be interesting for these blind guides to produce a Creed that teaches God has no body Parts or Passions

They seem to cling to a 17th century confession called the Westminster Confession, which most Traditional Christian haven't heard of or would careless what it taught

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Your link (https://www.lds.org/ensign/2007/11/t...-sent?lang=eng) doesn't work.
Its middle is missing, substituted by "...".
Apparently you copypasted near the whole comment from Carm... ! (same as MAD board, where I am a member but never posted...)

BTW the link is (should be) - https://www.lds.org/ensign/2007/11/the- ... t?lang=eng -
As you see, in this comment in the ^^ above line ^^ there is the same view, with ellipse ellipsis (stupid English language...). But behind the text, there IS and usable the whole link.

Hint:
Next time you copypaste words of "Ivanhoe" or whoever, please
- name the source, then we may apply our prejudice :evil:
- edit not only the attributes of some words as """ the Man Christ Jesus, """ but all text attributes (bold, italic, underline, scored, colour, size) AND LINKS.

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ludwigm wrote:
Your link (https://www.lds.org/ensign/2007/11/t...-sent?lang=eng) doesn't work.
Its middle is missing, substituted by "...".
Apparently you copypasted near the whole comment from Carm... ! (same as MAD board, where I am a member but never posted...)

BTW the link is (should be) - https://www.lds.org/ensign/2007/11/the- ... t?lang=eng -
As you see, in this comment in the ^^ above line ^^ there is the same view, with ellipse ellipsis (stupid English language...). But behind the text, there IS and usable the whole link.

Hint:
Next time you copypaste words of "Ivanhoe" or whoever, please
- name the source, then we may apply our prejudice :evil:
- edit not only the attributes of some words as """ the Man Christ Jesus, """ but all text attributes (bold, italic, underline, scored, colour, size) AND LINKS.

Just sayin'''


I would if Ivanhoe and I weren't the same person and I put this together by myself :rolleyes:

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I like Ivanhoe by Sir Walter Scott.
You are half-tone of him ---

--- but what is your OP about god's body (or gods' bodies)?

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Statement of God found in the Westminster Confession of Faith 1646:

I. There is but one only living and true God, who is infinite in being and perfection, a most pure spirit, INVISIBLE, without BODY, PARTS, or PASSIONS, immutable, immense, eternal, INCOMPREHENSIBLE, almighty, most wise, most holy, most free, most absolute, working all things according to the counsel of His own immutable and most righteous will, for His own glory; most loving, gracious, merciful, long-suffering, abundant in goodness and truth, forgiving iniquity, transgression, and sin; the rewarder of them that diligently seek Him; and withal most just and terrible in His judgments, hating all sin, and who will by no means clear the guilty.


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Statement of God found in the Westminster Confession of Faith 1646:

I. There is but one only living and true God, who is infinite in being and perfection, a most pure spirit, INVISIBLE, without BODY, PARTS, or PASSIONS, immutable, immense, eternal, INCOMPREHENSIBLE, almighty, most wise, most holy, most free, most absolute, working all things according to the counsel of His own immutable and most righteous will, for His own glory; most loving, gracious, merciful, long-suffering, abundant in goodness and truth, forgiving iniquity, transgression, and sin; the rewarder of them that diligently seek Him; and withal most just and terrible in His judgments, hating all sin, and who will by no means clear the guilty.


Don't Mormons teach this come from the 4th and 5th century Creeds like Jeffrey R Holland does rather than obscure confession :rolleyes:

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Mittens wrote:
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Statement of God found in the Westminster Confession of Faith 1646:

I. There is but one only living and true God, who is infinite in being and perfection, a most pure spirit, INVISIBLE, without BODY, PARTS, or PASSIONS, immutable, immense, eternal, INCOMPREHENSIBLE, almighty, most wise, most holy, most free, most absolute, working all things according to the counsel of His own immutable and most righteous will, for His own glory; most loving, gracious, merciful, long-suffering, abundant in goodness and truth, forgiving iniquity, transgression, and sin; the rewarder of them that diligently seek Him; and withal most just and terrible in His judgments, hating all sin, and who will by no means clear the guilty.


Don't Mormons teach this come from the 4th and 5th century Creeds like Jeffrey R Holland does rather than obscure confession :rolleyes:


Not really.

Some see it as happening during the time of the Apostles.
SEE 1 Corinthians 8:3-7 But if any man love God, the same is known of him. 4As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol [is] nothing in the world, and that [there is] none other God but one. 5For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him. 7Howbeit [there is] not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat [it] as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.

Some a little later as the Neo-Platonists took over the church.

The LDS don't have any doctrine on the time frame involved other than it was before Joseph Smith's First Vision. I tend to go with the former and not the later.


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An Islam terrorist...



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A Manhattan man is suing the Met, claiming it’s committing sacrilege by depicting Jesus as a blond.

“Racist” paintings portraying Christ as an “Aryan” male should be removed from the walls of the Metropolitan Museum of Art, Justin Renel Joseph argues in his Manhattan Supreme Court lawsuit.

The masterpieces are “offensive aesthetic whitewashing” of the reality that the Savior, as a native of the Middle Eastern region, had “black hair like wool and skin of bronze color,” says Joseph, 33, who is acting as his own lawyer.

He says he suffered “personal stress” after viewing “The Holy Family with Angels” by Sebastiano Ricci; “The Resurrection” by Perugino; “The Miracle of the Loaves and Fishes” by Tintoretto; and “The Crucifixion” by Francesco Granacci.

They are especially offensive to him, he claims, because he himself has “black hair like wool and skin of bronze color.”

Read more at - http://nypost.com/2015/12/06/lawsuit-cl ... paintings/ - (with picture)

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Mormonism straw man perpetrated by below link and others
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They seem to cling to a 17th century confession called the Westminster Confession, which most Traditional Christian haven't heard of or would careless what it taught


4 Christian creeds that teach God has no Body parts or passions...
http://home.earthlink.net/~ronrhodes/Creeds.html

Many Christian churchs hold to these creeds to this very day...

https://www.google.com/search?safe=stri ... P-KvgHz-CY

And if you don't ascent to the creeds you are excommunicated.

So no its not a "Mormon Strawman"... its the Christian churches themselves,


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Zakuska wrote:
Mittens wrote:
Mormonism straw man perpetrated by below link and others
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They seem to cling to a 17th century confession called the Westminster Confession, which most Traditional Christian haven't heard of or would careless what it taught


4 Christian creeds that teach God has no Body parts or passions...
http://home.earthlink.net/~ronrhodes/Creeds.html

Many Christian churchs hold to these creeds to this very day...

https://www.google.com/search?safe=stri ... P-KvgHz-CY

And if you don't ascent to the creeds you are excommunicated.

So no its not a "Mormon Strawman"... its the Christian churches themselves,

God the Father has no body parts. Christ Jesus assumed human form. And so because there is but one essence GOD, both the Father and the Holy Spirit experienced every human emotion through Jesus Christ. No one can deny that The LORD Jesus Christ had body parts. However, HE emptied Himself of the immensity of GOD and became human --- A perfect human without sin. He commended His Spirit to the Father and gave up His life. No one took it from Him. So understand the reason Christians embrace the idea of a TRINITY. Holy, Holy Holy! LORD GOD ALMIGHTY! Which wert and art and evermore shall be. The revelation of Jesus is that HE is LORD of ALL, and now also a Man to absolute perfection.


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And if you don't ascent to the creeds you are excommunicated.

So no its not a "Mormon Strawman"... its the Christian churches themselves,

God the Father has no body parts. Christ Jesus assumed human form. And so because there is but one essence GOD, both the Father and the Holy Spirit experienced every human emotion through Jesus Christ. No one can deny that The LORD Jesus Christ had body parts. However, HE emptied Himself of the immensity of GOD and became human --- A perfect human without sin. He commended His Spirit to the Father and gave up His life. No one took it from Him. So understand the reason Christians embrace the idea of a TRINITY. Holy, Holy Holy! LORD GOD ALMIGHTY! Which wert and art and evermore shall be. The revelation of Jesus is that HE is LORD of ALL, and now also a Man to absolute perfection.

If God the Father has no body parts.. and Christ didn't receive a human body until after he was born of the virgin Mary... who's "back parts" did Moses see?

Ex 33:23
“And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.”

And which God... Jesus or the Father. Placed his hands on Moses and the 70 Elders and consecrated them to the work?

Ex 24
9 ¶Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and aseventy of the belders of Israel:
10 And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as cit were the body of heaven in his clearness.
11 And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.


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God the Father has no body parts.
Oh God God Godgodgod! We Thank You God The Father That We Have Your Special Prophet Who Knows This.
And everything. And everything better than We Heathens.


LittleNipper wrote:
Christ Jesus assumed human form. And so because there is but one essence GOD, both the Father and the Holy Spirit experienced every human emotion through Jesus Christ. No one can deny that The LORD Jesus Christ had body parts. However, HE emptied Himself of the immensity of GOD and became human --- A perfect human without sin. He commended His Spirit to the Father and gave up His life. No one took it from Him. So understand the reason Christians embrace the idea of a TRINITY. Holy, Holy Holy! LORD GOD ALMIGHTY! Which wert and art and evermore shall be. The revelation of Jesus is that HE is LORD of ALL, and now also a Man to absolute perfection.
Gobbledygook.

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Colossians 1:15-16

New Living Translation
Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation, for through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth.
He made the things we can see and the things we can’t see—such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world. Everything was created through him and for him.

So when we see God, we are seeing Christ. And when we see Christ, we are seeing God. Old Testament views of God are either CHRISTOPHANIES, or figurative for human understanding.

CHRISTOPHANY - see http://www.bibletruthsyoudidnotsee.com/gpage31.html


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Colossians 1:15-16

New Living Translation
Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation, for through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth.
He made the things we can see and the things we can’t see—such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world. Everything was created through him and for him.

So when we see God, we are seeing Christ. And when we see Christ, we are seeing God. Old Testament views of God are either CHRISTOPHANIES, or figurative for human understanding.

CHRISTOPHANY - see http://www.bibletruthsyoudidnotsee.com/gpage31.html
Another gobbledygook.

Wait a little (some years) to reach the NT on your own other stupid thread... Here on celestial!

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Colossians 1:15-16
Old Testament views of God are either CHRISTOPHANIES, or figurative for human understanding.

CHRISTOPHANY - see http://www.bibletruthsyoudidnotsee.com/gpage31.html


If what Moses saw on the Mount was a "Christophany" how was he able to see Christ'd body (ie backparts) before Christ had a Body?

When the OT says they "Saw God" its not "figurative" at all. They actually saw God.

Secondly... Paul in the New Testament calls Wisdom in the OT Christ.

Wisdom in the OT claims to have been created.


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Barry Gibb, only taller.

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Barry Gibb, only taller.


Nah. I'm thinking more like Gerald Johnson. :ugeek:


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Zakuska wrote:
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Colossians 1:15-16
Old Testament views of God are either CHRISTOPHANIES, or figurative for human understanding.

CHRISTOPHANY - see http://www.bibletruthsyoudidnotsee.com/gpage31.html


If what Moses saw on the Mount was a "Christophany" how was he able to see Christ'd body (ie backparts) before Christ had a Body?

When the OT says they "Saw God" its not "figurative" at all. They actually saw God.

Secondly... Paul in the New Testament calls Wisdom in the OT Christ.

Wisdom in the OT claims to have been created.


Selections from Answers to Gospel Questions
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A course Study for the Melchizedek Priesthood Quorums
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Lesson 6 page 39

It was Jesus who gave commandments to Adam after he was driven out of the Garden of Eden and who directed Enoch and Noah before the flood. It was Christ who named Abraham and made him that through his posterity all nations would be blessed. He, it was who called Moses to lead Isreal out of Egypt and who wrote with his fingers on the tables of stone. He had no body until he was born in Bethlehem.

“Moses and Aaron, Nahab and Abihu, and seventy of the Elders went up and saw God of Israel under his feet was something like pavement made of sapphire, clear as the sky it self, but God did not raise his hand against these leaders of Israelites, they saw God, and they ate and drank,” Exodus 24:9-11

“at this point the men turned from there way to Sodom but as for JEHOVAH he was standing still before Abraham….then JEHOVAH went his way when he had finished speaking to Abraham.” Genesis 18:22-33 New World Translation Genesis 18:2 says three men appeared to Abraham, two are identified as angels {Genesis 19:1} ONE IS IDENTIFIED AS JEHOVAH GOD Genesis 18:1,3,13,14,17,20,22,26,27,31,32 and 33

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 Post subject: Re: Does God have body parts and passions
PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:53 pm 
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Mittens wrote:

Selections from Answers to Gospel Questions
Taken from the writings of Joseph Fielding Smith
Tenth President of Mormonism
A course Study for the Melchizedek Priesthood Quorums
1972-73

Lesson 6 page 39

It was Jesus who gave commandments to Adam after he was driven out of the Garden of Eden and who directed Enoch and Noah before the flood. It was Christ who named Abraham and made him that through his posterity all nations would be blessed. He, it was who called Moses to lead Isreal out of Egypt and who wrote with his fingers on the tables of stone. He had no body until he was born in Bethlehem.

“Moses and Aaron, Nahab and Abihu, and seventy of the Elders went up and saw God of Israel under his feet was something like pavement made of sapphire, clear as the sky it self, but God did not raise his hand against these leaders of Israelites, they saw God, and they ate and drank,” Exodus 24:9-11

“at this point the men turned from there way to Sodom but as for JEHOVAH he was standing still before Abraham….then JEHOVAH went his way when he had finished speaking to Abraham.” Genesis 18:22-33 New World Translation Genesis 18:2 says three men appeared to Abraham, two are identified as angels {Genesis 19:1} ONE IS IDENTIFIED AS JEHOVAH GOD Genesis 18:1,3,13,14,17,20,22,26,27,31,32 and 33


You need to keep up to the times and current Scholarship. There are 2 YHWHs spoken of in the Old Testament.

Gen 19
24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;

LORD here = YHWH

The YHWH who was on the earth who had Just spoken to Abraham and went his way and who called down fire an Brimstone from his YHWH father in heaven.

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 Post subject: Re: Does God have body parts and passions
PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:10 pm 
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My answer is yes. If I'm exalted I will want my perfected body and to be able to enjoy passions and desires that have made this life so wonderful to me. Only maxed out.


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