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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:00 pm 
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LittleNipper wrote:
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The Holy Spirit has shown to me that the Book of Mormon and Mormonism contradicts what the Bible says. And that the Bible is God's Word revealed in Christ. You have said that you accept the Book of Mormon but at the expense of rejecting the Bible. You reject the Word. You apply your knowledge just as did Adam & Eve. They were wrong.



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Actually I said that I didn't believe the Book of Mormon was what it claimed to be.
(the word 'not' came out as 'nor' in error).


I predicted correctly that you would tell me the Holy Spirit that testified to me was the wrong 'Holy Spirit'. :rolleyes:

Actually, I didn't. I did say that the Holy Spirit showed to me that the Book of Mormon is contrary to the Bible. The Holy Spirit is God. The Holy Spirit told the prophets what to write down in the Bible and what not to include. You tell me the Holy Spirit tells you the Book of Mormon is correct and the Bible isn't. God doesn't lie or contradict Himself. Something clearly is wrong...


You don't appear to be reading what I'm posting...

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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:12 pm 
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Drifting wrote:
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I predicted correctly that you would tell me the Holy Spirit that testified to me was the wrong 'Holy Spirit'. :rolleyes:

Actually, I didn't. I did say that the Holy Spirit showed to me that the Book of Mormon is contrary to the Bible. The Holy Spirit is God. The Holy Spirit told the prophets what to write down in the Bible and what not to include. You tell me the Holy Spirit tells you the Book of Mormon is correct and the Bible isn't. God doesn't lie or contradict Himself. Something clearly is wrong...


You don't appear to be reading what I'm posting...[/quote]
You don't seem to know what you are posting. I read it all but decided to answer only part of it. I don't understand how you can accept the Book of Mormon in any respect other than a 19th century piece of American literature. One doesn't need the Holy Spirit for that determination.


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:53 pm 
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One certainly DOES need the Holy Spirit, or otherwise he may become spiritually blind and not realize that the Book of Mormon is what it claims to be, and what all it's witnesses testifies that it was! Don't be afraid of the Holy Spirit. You might learn something!


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:34 am 
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gdemetz wrote:
One certainly DOES need the Holy Spirit, or otherwise he may become spiritually blind and not realize that the Book of Mormon is what it claims to be, and what all it's witnesses testifies that it was! Don't be afraid of the Holy Spirit. You might learn something!


And the Holy Spirit will show the interested party that the book of Mormon conflicts with the Bible. And as such (the book of Mormon) cannot be accepted as original scripture. It isn't that the Bible has been compromised (as those who want to exalt the book of Mormon claim) --- it is that the book of Mormon is a fabrication...


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:19 am 
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Genesis 25:1-34 Abraham who was so concerned about being old takes another wife. She must have been a young one, because she bears Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah. But Abraham gave all he had to Isaac. Abraham gave all the children he begat by concubines gifts (while he yet lived) and sent them away from Isaac. Abraham lives 175 years, dies and is buried with Sarah. The children of Ishmael are Nebajoth, and Kedar, and Adbeel, and Mibsam, and Mishma, and Dumah, and Massa, Hadar, and Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah...
Isaac marries Rebekah when he is 40. Rebekah as a pair of twins who seemed at odds even while in the womb. The first to arrive was Esau and the second was Jacob. Esau was a muscular hairy beast and Jacob was a momma's boy. Esau was a bit of a ham and jokingly gives up his legal birthright for a bowl of lentil soup.
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1 Then again Abraham took a wife, and her name was Keturah.

2 And she bare him Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah.

3 And Jokshan begat Sheba, and Dedan. And the sons of Dedan were Asshurim, and Letushim, and Leummim.

4 And the sons of Midian; Ephah, and Epher, and Hanoch, and Abidah, and Eldaah. All these were the children of Keturah.

5 And Abraham gave all that he had unto Isaac.

6 But unto the sons of the concubines, which Abraham had, Abraham gave gifts, and sent them away from Isaac his son, while he yet lived, eastward, unto the east country.

7 And these are the days of the years of Abraham's life which he lived, an hundred threescore and fifteen years.

8 Then Abraham gave up the ghost, and died in a good old age, an old man, and full of years; and was gathered to his people.

9 And his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron the son of Zohar the Hittite, which is before Mamre;

10 The field which Abraham purchased of the sons of Heth: there was Abraham buried, and Sarah his wife.

11 And it came to pass after the death of Abraham, that God blessed his son Isaac; and Isaac dwelt by the well Lahairoi.

12 Now these are the generations of Ishmael, Abraham's son, whom Hagar the Egyptian, Sarah's handmaid, bare unto Abraham:

13 And these are the names of the sons of Ishmael, by their names, according to their generations: the firstborn of Ishmael, Nebajoth; and Kedar, and Adbeel, and Mibsam,

14 And Mishma, and Dumah, and Massa,

15 Hadar, and Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah:

16 These are the sons of Ishmael, and these are their names, by their towns, and by their castles; twelve princes according to their nations.

17 And these are the years of the life of Ishmael, an hundred and thirty and seven years: and he gave up the ghost and died; and was gathered unto his people.

18 And they dwelt from Havilah unto Shur, that is before Egypt, as thou goest toward Assyria: and he died in the presence of all his brethren.

19 And these are the generations of Isaac, Abraham's son: Abraham begat Isaac:

20 And Isaac was forty years old when he took Rebekah to wife, the daughter of Bethuel the Syrian of Padanaram, the sister to Laban the Syrian.

21 And Isaac intreated the Lord for his wife, because she was barren: and the Lord was intreated of him, and Rebekah his wife conceived.

22 And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to enquire of the Lord.

23 And the Lord said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

24 And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, there were twins in her womb.

25 And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau.

26 And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them.

27 And the boys grew: and Esau was a cunning hunter, a man of the field; and Jacob was a plain man, dwelling in tents.

28 And Isaac loved Esau, because he did eat of his venison: but Rebekah loved Jacob.

29 And Jacob sod pottage: and Esau came from the field, and he was faint:

30 And Esau said to Jacob, Feed me, I pray thee, with that same red pottage; for I am faint: therefore was his name called Edom.

31 And Jacob said, Sell me this day thy birthright.

32 And Esau said, Behold, I am at the point to die: and what profit shall this birthright do to me?

33 And Jacob said, Swear to me this day; and he sware unto him: and he sold his birthright unto Jacob.

34 Then Jacob gave Esau bread and pottage of lentiles; and he did eat and drink, and rose up, and went his way: thus Esau despised his birthright.


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:10 pm 
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Nipper, it only conflicts with the Bible in the minds of those who have a very warped interpretation of the Bible!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:38 pm 
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gdemetz wrote:
Nipper, it only conflicts with the Bible in the minds of those who have a very warped interpretation of the Bible!!!

Or a warped trust in the book of Mormon?


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:36 am 
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The BofM has many credible witnesses and evidences just as the Bible does. You are just not looking at the whole picture objectively!


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:31 am 
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The credibility of the Book of Mormon "witnesses" is debatable but I would be interested in those credible evidences for the Book of Mormon.


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:24 pm 
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Why Albion? I think you would just make excuses about them just like you do when I quote all the Biblical scriptures to you! You are like Nipper, you two just want to believe what you want to believe, and never mind what the evidence shows! If the Bible stated the turtles flew, then of course, you two would believe it, and if the Book of Mormon stated that turtles didn't fly, then you would try to argue that they did!


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:55 pm 
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gdemetz wrote:
Why Albion? I think you would just make excuses about them just like you do when I quote all the Biblical scriptures to you! You are like Nipper, you two just want to believe what you want to believe, and never mind what the evidence shows! If the Bible stated the turtles flew, then of course, you two would believe it, and if the Boob of Mormon stated that turtles didn't fly, then you would try to argue that they did!


I suspect, gdemetz, that "Boob of Mormon" was just a typo. Very funny, never the less. Your comment was to Albion and Nipper. I tend to group you and Nipper in the same category. Big on devotion and little on substance.

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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:37 pm 
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Oh go on, gdemetz, just a couple of credible sources to support the Book of Mormon.


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:19 pm 
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Quas, what have you had to offer here?!?

OK Albion,check out the Book by Jeff Lindsay entitled "Book of Mormon Evidences."


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:00 am 
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Quoting a book title and author does not provide credible evidence. I was really expecting something more substantial...say, a supporting quote from a credible source like The Smithsonian. Ill look up Mr. Lindsay however.


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:14 pm 
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Genesis 26:1-35 We start with another famine in the land. Isaac goes to Abimelech king of the Philistines at Gerar. God appears unto him and says, do not go to Egypt, but stay in the land of Gerar. God is with Isaac, blesses him, and gives all these lands to Issac as God sworn to Abraham. Isaac fears (as had Abraham) that his beatiful wife will be the death of him. So he tells everyone that that they are brother and sister. Abimelech king of the Philistines looks through the window, and witnesses Isaac and Rebekah cavorting and realizes that they are husband and wife... Abimelech calls Isaac, and says had someone lain with Rebekah, the nation would be judged... Abimelech tells the people if anyone harms Isaac and Rebekah in anyway that person will die. And Isaac plants in that land, and reaps a hundredfold, and God blesses him. And Isaac is wealthy, and gets richer, until he hath large flocks, great herds, and an abundance of servants; and the Philistines envy him. They begin a campaign of filling in Abraham's historic wells. Abimeleck is worried that he will lose power and wants Isaac to leave. Isaac leaves and camps in the valley of Gerar, and lives there. Isaac has his servants redig the wells Abraham his father dug, which the Philistines filled after the death of Abraham, and named them what his father called them. And the other Shepherds of Gerar fought with shepherds of Isaac, and say, that they own the water, and a well is named`Strife,' because of all the fighting. And another well is dug and Isaac calls its name `Hatred.'
And he leaves there, and digs another well, and there is no fighting regarding this one, and it is named "Enlargements," for -- now God prospered them. And Isaac goes up to Beer-Sheba. God appears to him during that night, and says that the God of Abraham is with Isaac, and blesses him, and is multiply his seed, because of Abraham. And he builds an altar, and preaches in the name of the LORD, and set up his tent, and there Isaac's servants dig yet another well. And Abimelech goes to Gerar, along with Phichol the army commander. And Isaac asks why have they come and hate him --- they even sent him away.
They said that they witness Jehovah is good to Isaac and so they wish to make a covenant with him. They wish for peace. And Isaac throws a party. That next day Isaac's servants come and declare to him concerning the good circumstances surrounding a well which they had dug. And Isaac called it Shebah, [oath,] therefore the name of the city [is] Beer-Sheba, [well of the oath]. Esau at forty years, marries both Judith, daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Bashemath, daughter of Elon the Hittite. They cause a lot of tension for Isaac and to Rebekah. (It appears obvious that they are pagans)


Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And there is a famine in the land, besides the first famine which was in the days of Abraham, and Isaac goeth unto Abimelech king of the Philistines, to Gerar.

2 And Jehovah appeareth unto him, and saith, `Go not down towards Egypt, tabernacle in the land concerning which I speak unto thee,

3 sojourn in this land, and I am with thee, and bless thee, for to thee and to thy seed I give all these lands, and I have established the oath which I have sworn to Abraham thy father;

4 and I have multiplied thy seed as stars of the heavens, and I have given to thy seed all these lands; and blessed themselves in thy seed have all nations of the earth;

5 because that Abraham hath hearkened to My voice, and keepeth My charge, My commands, My statutes, and My laws.'

6 And Isaac dwelleth in Gerar;

7 and men of the place ask him of his wife, and he saith, `She [is] my sister:' for he hath been afraid to say, `My wife -- lest the men of the place kill me for Rebekah, for she [is] of good appearance.'

8 And it cometh to pass, when the days have been prolonged to him there, that Abimelech king of the Philistines looketh through the window, and seeth, and lo, Isaac is playing with Rebekah his wife.

9 And Abimelech calleth for Isaac, and saith, `Lo, she [is] surely thy wife; and how hast thou said, She [is] my sister?' and Isaac saith unto him, `Because I said, Lest I die for her.'

10 And Abimelech saith, `What [is] this thou hast done to us? as a little thing one of the people had lain with thy wife, and thou hadst brought upon us guilt;'

11 and Abimelech commandeth all the people, saying, `He who cometh against this man or against his wife, dying doth die.'

12 And Isaac soweth in that land, and findeth in that year a hundredfold, and Jehovah blesseth him;

13 and the man is great, and goeth on, going on and becoming great, till that he hath been very great,

14 and he hath possession of a flock, and possession of a herd, and an abundant service; and the Philistines envy him,

15 and all the wells which his father's servants digged in the days of Abraham his father, the Philistines have stopped them, and fill them with dust.

16 And Abimelech saith unto Isaac, `Go from us; for thou hast become much mightier than we;'

17 and Isaac goeth from thence, and encampeth in the valley of Gerar, and dwelleth there;

18 and Isaac turneth back, and diggeth the wells of water which they digged in the days of Abraham his father, which the Philistines do stop after the death of Abraham, and he calleth to them names according to the names which his father called them.

19 And Isaac's servants dig in the valley, and find there a well of living water,

20 and shepherds of Gerar strive with shepherds of Isaac, saying, `The water [is] ours;' and he calleth the name of the well `Strife,' because they have striven habitually with him;

21 and they dig another well, and they strive also for it, and he calleth its name `Hatred.'

22 And he removeth from thence, and diggeth another well, and they have not striven for it, and he calleth its name Enlargements, and saith, `For -- now hath Jehovah given enlargement to us, and we have been fruitful in the land.'

23 And he goeth up from thence [to] Beer-Sheba,

24 and Jehovah appeareth unto him during that night, and saith, `I [am] the God of Abraham thy father, fear not, for I [am] with thee, and have blessed thee, and have multiplied thy seed, because of Abraham My servant;'

25 and he buildeth there an altar, and preacheth in the name of Jehovah, and stretcheth out there his tent, and there Isaac's servants dig a well.

26 And Abimelech hath gone unto him from Gerar, and Ahuzzath his friend, and Phichol head of his host;

27 and Isaac saith unto them, `Wherefore have ye come unto me, and ye have hated me, and ye send me away from you?'

28 And they say, `We have certainly seen that Jehovah hath been with thee, and we say, `Let there be, we pray thee, an oath between us, between us and thee, and let us make a covenant with thee;

29 do not evil with us, as we have not touched thee, and as we have only done good with thee, and send thee away in peace; thou [art] now blessed of Jehovah.'

30 And he maketh for them a banquet, and they eat and drink,

31 and rise early in the morning, and swear one to another, and Isaac sendeth them away, and they go from him in peace.

32 And it cometh to pass during that day that Isaac's servants come and declare to him concerning the circumstances of the well which they have digged, and say to him, `We have found water;'

33 and he calleth it Shebah, [oath,] therefore the name of the city [is] Beer-Sheba, [well of the oath,] unto this day.

34 And Esau is a son of forty years, and he taketh a wife, Judith, daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Bashemath, daughter of Elon the Hittite,

35 and they are a bitterness of spirit to Isaac and to Rebekah.


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:37 pm 
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Nipper, why don't you just do an evangelical version of the Bible here for us? You would have to change a lot of verses though in order to make it agree with your doctrine.


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 8:04 am 
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Genesis 27 So Isaac is an old man and going blind. He calls Esau and asks him to hunt him up something good to eat. Rebekah hears this and realizes that Isaac is about to give his blessing. Rebekah comes up with a plan. She will dress up Jacob in one of Esau's robes and binds some fur on the back of Jacobs hands and on the back of his neck. She also cooks up 2 baby goats and bakes bread. Jacob takes this to his father and though he still sounds like Jacob, the hair and the smell make Jacob think it is Esau. Isaac blesses him, that God give to him of heavenly refreshment, and the fatness of the land, and abundance of nourishment. People will serve him, he will have power over his relatives. Those who curse him are to be cursed, and those who bless him will be blessed. Jacob leaves.
Now in walks Esau. Isaac is beside himself, as Esau cries and begs for some sort of blessing. Isaac tells Esau that fatness of the earth is his home, and the nourishment from the heavens above. By his sword will he survive. Jacob, Esau will serve. And if Esau should rule that would be proof that what binds him to Jacob has ended. Esau now turns his upset into total hate for Jacob and plots to kill him once their father dies. Rebekah is totally aware of this and sends Jacob back home to her relatives. She realizes that she has lost both sons. Esau hates her for spoiling his plot and Jacob is gone away. She tells Isaac that she would be happy at least if Jacob finds a wife among the breathern and not a couple of pagans like that of Esau - or she would simply die.



Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And it cometh to pass that Isaac [is] aged, and his eyes are too dim for seeing, and he calleth Esau his elder son, and saith unto him, `My son;' and he saith unto him, `Here [am] I.'

2 And he saith, `Lo, I pray thee, I have become aged, I have not known the day of my death;

3 and now, take up, I pray thee, thy instruments, thy quiver, and thy bow, and go out to the field, and hunt for me provision,

4 and make for me tasteful things, [such] as I have loved, and bring in to me, and I do eat, so that my soul doth bless thee before I die.'

5 And Rebekah is hearkening while Isaac is speaking unto Esau his son; and Esau goeth to the field to hunt provision -- to bring in;

6 and Rebekah hath spoken unto Jacob her son, saying, `Lo, I have heard thy father speaking unto Esau thy brother, saying,

7 Bring for me provision, and make for me tasteful things, and I do eat, and bless thee before Jehovah before my death.

8 `And now, my son, hearken to my voice, to that which I am commanding thee:

9 Go, I pray thee, unto the flock, and take for me from thence two good kids of the goats, and I make them tasteful things for thy father, [such] as he hath loved;

10 and thou hast taken in to thy father, and he hath eaten, so that his soul doth bless thee before his death.

11 And Jacob saith unto Rebekah his mother, `Lo, Esau my brother [is] a hairy man, and I a smooth man,

12 it may be my father doth feel me, and I have been in his eyes as a deceiver, and have brought upon me disesteem, and not a blessing;'

13 and his mother saith to him, `On me thy disesteem, my son; only hearken to my voice, and go, take for me.'

14 And he goeth, and taketh, and bringeth to his mother, and his mother maketh tasteful things, [such] as his father hath loved;

15 and Rebekah taketh the desirable garments of Esau her elder son, which [are] with her in the house, and doth put on Jacob her younger son;

16 and the skins of the kids of the goats she hath put on his hands, and on the smooth of his neck,

17 and she giveth the tasteful things, and the bread which she hath made, into the hand of Jacob her son.

18 And he cometh in unto his father, and saith, `My father;' and he saith, `Here [am] I; who [art] thou, my son?'

19 And Jacob saith unto his father, `I [am] Esau thy first-born; I have done as thou hast spoken unto me; rise, I pray thee, sit, and eat of my provision, so that thy soul doth bless me.'

20 And Isaac saith unto his son, `What [is] this thou hast hasted to find, my son?' and he saith, `That which Jehovah thy God hath caused to come before me.'

21 And Isaac saith unto Jacob, `Come nigh, I pray thee, and I feel thee, my son, whether thou [art] he, my son Esau, or not.'

22 And Jacob cometh nigh unto Isaac his father, and he feeleth him, and saith, `The voice [is] the voice of Jacob, and the hands hands of Esau.'

23 And he hath not discerned him, for his hands have been hairy, as the hands of Esau his brother, and he blesseth him,

24 and saith, `Thou art he -- my son Esau?' and he saith, `I [am].'

25 And he saith, `Bring nigh to me, and I do eat of my son's provision, so that my soul doth bless thee;' and he bringeth nigh to him, and he eateth; and he bringeth to him wine, and he drinketh.

26 And Isaac his father saith to him, `Come nigh, I pray thee, and kiss me, my son;'

27 and he cometh nigh, and kisseth him, and he smelleth the fragrance of his garments, and blesseth him, and saith, `See, the fragrance of my son [is] as the fragrance of a field which Jehovah hath blessed;

28 and God doth give to thee of the dew of heaven, and of the fatness of the earth, and abundance of corn and wine;

29 peoples serve thee, and nations bow themselves to thee, be thou mighty over thy brethren, and the sons of thy mother bow themselves to thee; those who curse thee [are] cursed, and those who bless thee [are] blessed.'

30 And it cometh to pass, as Isaac hath finished blessing Jacob, and Jacob is only just going out from the presence of Isaac his father, that Esau his brother hath come in from his hunting;

31 and he also maketh tasteful things, and bringeth to his father, and saith to his father, `Let my father arise, and eat of his son's provision, so that thy soul doth bless me.'

32 And Isaac his father saith to him, `Who [art] thou?' and he saith, `I [am] thy son, thy first-born, Esau;'

33 and Isaac trembleth a very great trembling, and saith, `Who, now, [is] he who hath provided provision, and bringeth in to me, and I eat of all before thou comest in, and I bless him? -- yea, blessed is he.'

34 When Esau heareth the words of his father, then he crieth a very great and bitter cry, and saith to his father, `Bless me, me also, O my father;'

35 and he saith, `Thy brother hath come with subtilty, and taketh thy blessing.'

36 And he saith, `Is it because [one] called his name Jacob that he doth take me by the heel these two times? my birthright he hath taken; and lo, now, he hath taken my blessing;' he saith also, `Hast thou not kept back a blessing for me?'

37 And Isaac answereth and saith to Esau, `Lo, a mighty one have I set him over thee, and all his brethren have I given to him for servants, and [with] corn and wine have I sustained him; and for thee now, what shall I do, my son?'

38 And Esau saith unto his father, `One blessing hast thou my father? bless me, me also, O my father;' and Esau lifteth up his voice, and weepeth.

39 And Isaac his father answereth and saith unto him, `Lo, of the fatness of the earth is thy dwelling, and of the dew of the heavens from above;

40 and by thy sword dost thou live, and thy brother dost thou serve; and it hath come to pass when thou rulest, that thou hast broken his yoke from off thy neck.'

41 And Esau hateth Jacob, because of the blessing with which his father blessed him, and Esau saith in his heart, `The days of mourning [for] my father draw near, and I slay Jacob my brother.'

42 And the words of Esau her elder son are declared to Rebekah, and she sendeth and calleth for Jacob her younger son, and saith unto him, `Lo, Esau thy brother is comforting himself in regard to thee -- to slay thee;

43 and now, my son, hearken to my voice, and rise, flee for thyself unto Laban my brother, to Haran,

44 and thou hast dwelt with him some days, till thy brother's fury turn back,

45 till thy brother's anger turn back from thee, and he hath forgotten that which thou hast done to him, and I have sent and taken thee from thence; why am I bereaved even of you both the same day?'

46 And Rebekah saith unto Isaac, `I have been disgusted with my life because of the presence of the daughters of Heth; if Jacob take a wife of the daughters of Heth, like these -- from the daughters of the land -- why do I live?'


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:01 pm 
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You are very "different" Nipper!


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:17 am 
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*SPOILER ALERT*




Here's how it ends...
 
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9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 10 And the adevil that deceived them was bcast into the lake of cfire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

 11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the aearth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no bplace for them.

 12 And I saw the adead, small and great, bstand before God; and the cbooks were opened: and another book was opened, which is the dbook of life: and the dead were ejudged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their fworks.

 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and adeath and bhell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

 14 And adeath and bhell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the csecond death.

 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


It seems the Devil did it...who knew...

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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:44 am 
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Genesis 28:1-22 Isaac tells Jacob not to take a wife from among the Caananites, but go to the home of his mother in Padan-Aram and marry a daughter of Laban (Rebekah's brother). Isaac blesses Jacob with blessings from God, have lots of children, accomplish much, and receive all the blessings of Abraham... Esau hears this and now knows how Isaac feels about the Caananite women. So, Esau goes to Ishmael, marries Mahalath, daughter of Ishmael, Abraham's son. Jacob goes from Beer-Sheba and heads towards Haran. There Jacob collects some stones and arranges a support for his bed so he can sleep. And Jacob has a dream where he sees angels going both up and down a stairway that reaches from the earth into heaven. And Jacod sees a figure of God on the stairs. God promises to give all the land around where Jacob is to him and his future descendants. God says He will not leave Jacob. Jacob awakes and imagines that God resides there. So he takes the stones he rested on and builds an alter to God and calls the name of that place Bethel, [house of God] ------ however the place was originally named Luz. Jacob says that since everything he has and will get comes from God, he promises to give a tenth back to God.



Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And Isaac calleth unto Jacob, and blesseth him, and commandeth him, and saith to him, `Thou dost not take a wife of the daughters of Caanan;

2 rise, go to Padan-Aram, to the house of Bethuel, thy mother's father, and take for thyself from thence a wife, of the daughters of Laban, thy mother's brother;

3 and God Almighty doth bless thee, and make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, and thou hast become an assembly of peoples;

4 and He doth give to thee the blessing of Abraham, to thee and to thy seed with thee, to cause thee to possess the land of thy sojournings, which God gave to Abraham.'

5 And Isaac sendeth away Jacob, and he goeth to Padan-Aram, unto Laban, son of Bethuel the Aramaean, brother of Rebekah, mother of Jacob and Esau.

6 And Esau seeth that Isaac hath blessed Jacob, and hath sent him to Padan-Aram to take to himself from thence a wife -- in his blessing him that he layeth a charge upon him, saying, Thou dost not take a wife from the daughters of Canaan --

7 that Jacob hearkeneth unto his father and unto his mother, and goeth to Padan-Aram --

8 and Esau seeth that the daughters of Canaan are evil in the eyes of Isaac his father,

9 and Esau goeth unto Ishmael, and taketh Mahalath, daughter of Ishmael, Abraham's son, sister of Nebajoth, unto his wives, to himself, for a wife.

10 And Jacob goeth out from Beer-Sheba, and goeth toward Haran,

11 and he toucheth at a [certain] place, and lodgeth there, for the sun hath gone in, and he taketh of the stones of the place, and maketh [them] his pillows, and lieth down in that place.

12 And he dreameth, and lo, a ladder set up on the earth, and its head is touching the heavens; and lo, messengers of God are going up and coming down by it;

13 and lo, Jehovah is standing upon it, and He saith, `I [am] Jehovah, God of Abraham thy father, and God of Isaac; the land on which thou art lying, to thee I give it, and to thy seed;

14 and thy seed hath been as the dust of the land, and thou hast broken forth westward, and eastward, and northward, and southward, and all families of the ground have been blessed in thee and in thy seed.

15 `And lo, I [am] with thee, and have kept thee whithersoever thou goest, and have caused thee to turn back unto this ground; for I leave thee not till that I have surely done that which I have spoken to thee.'

16 And Jacob awaketh out of his sleep, and saith, `Surely Jehovah is in this place, and I knew not;'

17 and he feareth, and saith, `How fearful [is] this place; this is nothing but a house of God, and this a gate of the heavens.'

18 And Jacob riseth early in the morning, and taketh the stone which he hath made his pillows, and maketh it a standing pillar, and poureth oil upon its top,

19 and he calleth the name of that place Bethel, [house of God,] and yet, Luz [is] the name of the city at the first.

20 And Jacob voweth a vow, saying, `Seeing God is with me, and hath kept me in this way which I am going, and hath given to me bread to eat, and a garment to put on --

21 when I have turned back in peace unto the house of my father, and Jehovah hath become my God,

22 then this stone which I have made a standing pillar is a house of God, and all that Thou dost give to me -- tithing I tithe to Thee.'


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:24 am 
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Genesis 29:1-35 Jacob Arrives at Paddan-Aram
He saw a well in the distance. Three flocks of sheep and goats lay in an open field beside a well with a heavy stone covered the mouth of the it. Jacob went over to the shepherds who say they are from Haran and know Laban, the grandson of Nahor. They point out his daughter Rachel coming with the flock. Jacob asks why didn't they water the sheep and goats so they could get back out to pasture. Jacob was still talking with them when Rachel arrived with her father’s flock being a shepherdess. Jacob went over to the well and moved the stone from its mouth and watered his uncle’s flock. Then kissed Rachel. He explained that he was her cousin -- the son of her aunt Rebekah. So Rachel quickly runs and tells her father, Laban, who welcomes Jacob. Jacob falls in love with Rachel. He tells Laban that he will work for him for seven years to marry his younger daughter. Laban agrees. Jacob works seven years to pay for Rachel but the time want by fast. Laban invited everyone in the neighborhood and prepared a wedding feast. That night, it was dark, Laban takes Leah to Jacob, and he slept with her. Laban also had given Leah a servant, Zilpah, to be her maid. When Jacob woke up—it was Leah... Jacob says to Laban he worked seven years for Rachel --- why was he tricked? Laban replies that it’s not their custom to marry off a younger daughter ahead of the firstborn, but wait until the bridal week is over, then he'll get Rachel, too—provided Jacob promises to work another seven years. This Jacob does. Laban gives Rachel a servant, Bilhah, to be her maid. When the Lord saw that Leah was unloved, he enabled her to have children, but Rachel could not conceive. Leah has a son. She names him Reuben, for she said, “The Lord has noticed my misery, and now my husband will love me.”
She soon became pregnant again and gaves birth to another son. She names him Simeon, for she said, “The Lord heard that I was unloved and has given me another son.” She becames pregnant a third time and gaves birth to another son. She named him Levi, for she said, “Surely this time my husband will feel affection for me, since I have given him three sons!” Again Leah becames pregnant and gave birth to another son. She names him Judah, because she said, “Now I praise the Lord!” And she stopped having children.

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And Jacob lifteth up his feet, and goeth towards the land of the sons of the east;

2 and he looketh, and lo, a well in the field, and lo, there three droves of a flock crouching by it, for from that well they water the droves, and the great stone [is] on the mouth of the well.

3 (When thither have all the droves been gathered, and they have rolled the stone from off the mouth of the well, and have watered the flock, then they have turned back the stone on the mouth of the well to its place.)

4 And Jacob saith to them, `My brethren, from whence [are] ye?' and they say, `We [are] from Haran.'

5 And he saith to them, `Have ye known Laban, son of Nahor?' and they say, `We have known.'

6 And he saith to them, `Hath he peace?' and they say, `Peace; and lo, Rachel his daughter is coming with the flock.'

7 And he saith, `Lo, the day [is] still great, [it is] not time for the cattle to be gathered; water ye the flock, and go, delight yourselves.'

8 And they say, `We are not able, till that all the droves be gathered together, and they have rolled away the stone from the mouth of the well, and we have watered the flock.'

9 He is yet speaking with them, and Rachel hath come with the flock which her father hath, for she [is] shepherdess;

10 and it cometh to pass when Jacob hath seen Rachel, daughter of Laban his mother's brother, and the flock of Laban his mother's brother, that Jacob cometh nigh and rolleth the stone from off the mouth of the well, and watereth the flock of Laban his mother's brother.

11 And Jacob kisseth Rachel, and lifteth up his voice, and weepeth,

12 and Jacob declareth to Rachel that he [is] her father's brother, and that he [is] Rebekah's son, and she runneth and declareth to her father.

13 And it cometh to pass, when Laban heareth the report of Jacob his sister's son, that he runneth to meet him, and embraceth him, and kisseth him, and bringeth him in unto his house; and he recounteth to Laban all these things,

14 and Laban saith to him, `Only my bone and my flesh [art] thou;' and he dwelleth with him a month of days.

15 And Laban saith to Jacob, `Is it because thou [art] my brother that thou hast served me for nought? declare to me what [is] thy hire.'

16 And Laban hath two daughters, the name of the elder [is] Leah, and the name of the younger Rachel,

17 and the eyes of Leah [are] tender, and Rachel hath been fair of form and fair of appearance.

18 And Jacob loveth Rachel, and saith, `I serve thee seven years for Rachel thy younger daughter:'

19 and Laban saith, `It is better for me to give her to thee than to give her to another man; dwell with me;'

20 and Jacob serveth for Rachel seven years; and they are in his eyes as some days, because of his loving her.

21 And Jacob saith unto Laban, `Give up my wife, for my days have been fulfilled, and I go in unto her;'

22 and Laban gathereth all the men of the place, and maketh a banquet.

23 And it cometh to pass in the evening, that he taketh Leah, his daughter, and bringeth her in unto him, and he goeth in unto her;

24 and Laban giveth to her Zilpah, his maid-servant, to Leah his daughter, a maid-servant.

25 And it cometh to pass in the morning, that lo, it [is] Leah; and he saith unto Laban, `What [is] this thou hast done to me? for Rachel have I not served with thee? and why hast thou deceived me?'

26 And Laban saith, `It is not done so in our place, to give the younger before the first-born;

27 fulfil the week of this one, and we give to thee also this one, for the service which thou dost serve with me yet seven other years.'

28 And Jacob doth so, and fulfilleth the week of this one, and he giveth to him Rachel his daughter, to him for a wife;

29 and Laban giveth to Rachel his daughter Bilhah his maid-servant, for a maid-servant to her.

30 And he goeth in also unto Rachel, and he also loveth Rachel more than Leah; and he serveth with him yet seven other years.

31 And Jehovah seeth that Leah [is] the hated one, and He openeth her womb, and Rachel [is] barren;

32 and Leah conceiveth, and beareth a son, and calleth his name Reuben, for she said, `Because Jehovah hath looked on mine affliction; because now doth my husband love me.'

33 And she conceiveth again, and beareth a son, and saith, `Because Jehovah hath heard that I [am] the hated one, He also giveth to me even this [one];' and she calleth his name Simeon.

34 And she conceiveth again, and beareth a son, and saith, `Now [is] the time, my husband is joined unto me, because I have born to him three sons,' therefore hath [one] called his name Levi.

35 And she conceiveth again, and beareth a son, and saith this time, `I praise Jehovah;' therefore hath she called his name Judah; and she ceaseth from bearing.


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