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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:57 am 
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Genesis 8:10-22
Noah waits a week and sends out the dove once again. And this time it returned carrying with it an olive leaf in its beak. This let Noah know that the waters were going down. Noah waits one more week and sends out the dove once again. This time it didn't return. In the biblical six hundredth and first year, in the first [month], on the first day --- the waters dried off the face of the land. And Noah ripped off part of the ark roof to look all around. And so in the second month, in the 27th day of the month, everything was much dryer. Finally, God said that it was time for every living thing to leave the ark. And Noah built an alter to God and took one of every clean and bird and made an burnt offering to God. God says that even though man thinks evil things all the time, God will no longer curse the ground and will not bring such a catastrophe to happen ever again. For as long as planet earth exists, seed-time and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night, will remain the cycle.
It is interesting to note that the dove left the ark three times.

10 And he stayeth yet other seven days, and addeth to send forth the dove from the ark;

11 and the dove cometh in unto him at even-time, and lo, an olive leaf torn off in her mouth; and Noah knoweth that the waters have been lightened from off the earth.

12 And he stayeth yet other seven days, and sendeth forth the dove, and it added not to turn back unto him any more.

13 And it cometh to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first [month], in the first of the month, the waters have been dried from off the earth; and Noah turneth aside the covering of the ark, and looketh, and lo, the face of the ground hath been dried.
14 And in the second month, in the seven and twentieth day of the month, the earth hath become dry.

15 And God speaketh unto Noah, saying, `Go out from the ark, thou, and thy wife, and thy sons, and thy sons' wives with thee;

16 every living thing that [is] with thee, of all flesh, among fowl, and among cattle, and among every creeping thing which is creeping on the earth, bring out with thee;

17 and they have teemed in the earth, and been fruitful, and have multiplied on the earth.'

18 And Noah goeth out, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him;

19 every beast, every creeping thing, and every fowl; every creeping thing on the earth, after their families, have gone out from the ark.

20 And Noah buildeth an altar to Jehovah, and taketh of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and causeth burnt-offerings to ascend on the altar;

21 and Jehovah smelleth the sweet fragrance, and Jehovah saith unto His heart, `I continue not to disesteem any more the ground because of man, though the imagination of the heart of man [is] evil from his youth; and I continue not to smite any more all living, as I have done;

22 during all days of the earth, seed-time and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night, do not cease.'


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:54 am 
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What is the point of this thread?


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:55 am 
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LittleNipper is literally quoting the whole Bible to us for our improvement. I guess he thinks we haven't read it before or something.


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
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I mean there are websites that have all those different versions. And at least LittleNipper started with all the different versions. Now he's only using one and it isn't even clear which one.


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:37 am 
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Samantabhadra wrote:
I mean there are websites that have all those different versions. And at least LittleNipper started with all the different versions. Now he's only using one and it isn't even clear which one.
Maybe it is the only "true" version of the Bible. Let's ask.

LittleNipper - why are you only quoting one version of the Bible to us now?


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:59 am 
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Well everyone knows the KJV is the only true Bible.


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
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Albion wrote:
Well everyone knows the KJV is the only true Bible.


Even the Nephites used it...

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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:09 pm 
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Well even if they didn't read it much they certainly had the language down pat. Who knew that "reformed Egyptian" would translate nicely into outdated English.


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:52 pm 
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Tobin wrote:
Samantabhadra wrote:
I mean there are websites that have all those different versions. And at least LittleNipper started with all the different versions. Now he's only using one and it isn't even clear which one.
Maybe it is the only "true" version of the Bible. Let's ask.

LittleNipper - why are you only quoting one version of the Bible to us now?


I like Youngs Literal translation because it tends to have a peculiar way of interpretation that makes me see things from a slightly different perspective. Most people are aware of the King James and the NIV. the Living Bible is really paraphrasing. I am doing that already so that people see my vantage point, but if something is unclear to me , I will look at several translations to feel the consensus. I may change translations from time to time.


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:56 am 
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Not Papa Joe's New Warped Evangelical Version which has just come out?! You should read it! I will quote a little from the Boob of James:

"What does it profit you if you say you have faith and don't have works, can that there faith save you? Of course, it can! I really don't know why I asked that silly question in the first place!"

"Faith is all a feller needs, and if you see a feller hungry and destitude (sic), just tell him to be warmed and filled, and by all means make that there perfesson (sic) of faith, and he will be good to go!"


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:09 am 
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gdemetz wrote:
Not Papa Joe's New Warped Evangelical Version which has just come out?! You should read it! I will quote a little from the Boob of James:

"What does it profit you if you say you have faith and don't have works, can that there faith save you? Of course, it can! I really don't know why I asked that silly question in the first place!"

"Faith is all a feller needs, and if you see a feller hungry and destitude (sic), just tell him to be warmed and filled, and by all means make that there perfesson (sic) of faith, and he will be good to go!"

By grace is a believer saved through faith ---- it is the gift of God through the Lord Jesus Christ. Works by faith reap rewards both here and in the afterlife. However, only through faith in Christ given by God is the believer saved from eternal separation.


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:59 am 
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Genesis 9:1-17 God tells Noah's family to have lots of children. The animals (both land and sea creatures) will not harm Noah and his family, as all creatures have been placed by God in Noah's family's control. At that time, all the herbs (as before the Flood) and also every living animal was given to Noah for food. However, Noah is warned not drink any blood. In the day blood is consumed, blood will required by the hand of every animal and other men. This warning only extends to man. Animals may have blood. AND, anyone who murders a man is to be executed by man. Man was made as a reflection of God (murder is an assult towards that reflection and insulting towards God). And God made a covenant towards the earth, all creatures, Noah and all his descendants. God placed a token in the clouds God had placed in the sky. That token being the rainbow, which is to appear for all ages, as a reminder that a worldwide flood will never happen again.
PS> It is likely, that before the FLOOD, there were no clouds in the heavens or they were very small. It seems that before the FLOOD there was no rain. The Bible speaks only mists prior. Man is also not following God's will by not executing murderers.

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1 And God blesseth Noah, and his sons, and saith to them, `Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the earth;

2 and your fear and your dread is on every beast of the earth, and on every fowl of the heavens, on all that creepeth on the ground, and on all fishes of the sea -- into your hand they have been given.

3 Every creeping thing that is alive, to you it is for food; as the green herb I have given to you the whole;

4 only flesh in its life -- its blood -- ye do not eat.

5 `And only your blood for your lives do I require; from the hand of every living thing I require it, and from the hand of man, from the hand of every man's brother I require the life of man;

6 whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man is his blood shed: for in the image of God hath He made man.

7 And ye, be fruitful and multiply, teem in the earth, and multiply in it.'

8 And God speaketh unto Noah, and unto his sons with him, saying,

9 `And I, lo, I am establishing My covenant with you, and with your seed after you,

10 and with every living creature which [is] with you, among fowl, among cattle, and among every beast of the earth with you, from all who are going out of the ark -- to every beast of the earth.

11 And I have established My covenant with you, and all flesh is not any more cut off by waters of a deluge, and there is not any more a deluge to destroy the earth.'

12 And God saith, `This is a token of the covenant which I am giving between Me and you, and every living creature that [is] with you, to generations age-during;

13 My bow I have given in the cloud, and it hath been for a token of a covenant between Me and the earth;

14 and it hath come to pass (in My sending a cloud over the earth) that the bow hath been seen in the cloud,

15 and I have remembered My covenant which is between Me and you, and every living creature among all flesh, and the waters become no more a deluge to destroy all flesh;

16 and the bow hath been in the cloud, and I have seen it -- to remember the covenant age-during between God and every living creature among all flesh which [is] on the earth.'

17 And God saith unto Noah, `This [is] a token of the covenant which I have established between Me and all flesh that [is] upon the earth.'


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:18 pm 
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Nipper, you should read that again along with an English professor. James is saying that faith without works can not save one!!! Else why would he ask; "Can faith save him"? The answer is obviously no, or it would have been stupid for him to ask that!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
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9 `And I, lo, I am establishing My covenant with you, and with your seed after you,
10 and with every living creature which [is] with you, among fowl, among cattle, and among every beast of the earth with you, from all who are going out of the ark -- to every beast of the earth.


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
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...which is the reason no legendary animals exist today.


I know a Tibetan woman who categorically refuses to believe that thunder and lightning is caused by electricity in the atmosphere, claiming that it comes from dragons (the Tibetan word for "thunder" literally means "dragon thunder" or "dragon roar"). A friend of mine pressed her on this point, asking if she'd ever seen a dragon. She said yes.


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
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Samantabhadra wrote:
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...which is the reason no legendary animals exist today.
I know a Tibetan woman who categorically refuses to believe that thunder and lightning is caused by electricity in the atmosphere, claiming that it comes from dragons (the Tibetan word for "thunder" literally means "dragon thunder" or "dragon roar"). A friend of mine pressed her on this point, asking if she'd ever seen a dragon. She said yes.


The School of Higher Neantical Nillity handles it scientifically:
Stanislaw Lem
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'The Third Sally Or The Dragons of Probability'
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Trurl and Klapaucius were former pupils of the great Cerebron of Umptor, who for forty-seven years in the School of Higher Neantical Nillity expounded the General Theory of Dragons. Everyone knows that dragons don't exist. But while this simplistic formulation may satisfy the layman, it does not suffice for the scientific mind. The School of Higher Neantical Nillity is in fact wholly unconcerned with what does exist. Indeed, the banality of existence has been so amply demonstrated, there is no need for us to discuss it any further here. The brilliant Cerebron, attacking the problem analytically, discovered three distinct kinds of dragon: the mythical, the chimerical, and the purely hypothetical. They were all, one might say, nonexistent, but each non-existed in an entirely different way. And then there were the imaginary dragons, and the a-, anti- and minus-dragons (colloquially termed nots, noughts and oughtn'ts by the experts), the minuses being the most interesting on account of the well-known dracological paradox: when two minuses hypercontiguate (an operation in the algebra of dragons corresponding roughly to simple multiplication), the product is 0.6 dragon, a real nonplusser. Bitter controversy raged among the experts on the question of whether, as half of them claimed, this fractional beast began from the head down or, as the other half maintained, from the tail up. Trurl and Klapaucius made a great contribution by showing the error of both positions. They were the first to apply probability theory to this area and, in so doing, created the field of statistical draconics, which says that dragons are thermodynamically impossible only in the probabilistic sense, as are elves, fairies, gnomes, witches, pixies and the like. Using the general equation of improbability, the two constructors obtained the coefficients of pixation, elfinity, kobolding, etc. They found that for the spontaneous manifestation of an average dragon, one would have to wait a good sixteen quintoquadrillion heptillion years. In other words, the whole problem would have remained a mathematical curiosity had it not been for that famous tinkering passion of Trurl, who decided to examine the nonphenome non empirically. First, as he was dealing with the highly improbable, he invented a probability amplifier and ran tests in his basement—then later at the Dracogenic Proving Grounds established and funded by the Academy. To this day those who (sadly enough) have no knowledge of the General Theory of Improbability ask why Trurl probabilized a dragon and not an elf or goblin. The answer is simply that dragons are more probable than elves or goblins to begin with. True, Trurl might have gone further with his amplifying experiments, had not the first been so discouraging— discouraging in that the materialized dragon tried to make a meal of him. Fortunately, Klapaucius was nearby and lowered the probability, and the monster vanished. A number of scholars subsequently repeated the experiment on a phantasmatron, but, as they lacked the necessary know-how and sang-froid, a considerable quantity of dragon spawn, raising an ungodly perturbation, broke loose. Only then did it become clear that those odious beasts enjoyed an existence quite different from that of ordinary cupboards, tables and chairs; for dragons are distinguished by their probability rather than by their actuality, though granted, that probability is overwhelming once they've actually come into being. Suppose, for example, one organizes a hunt for such a dragon, surrounds it, closes in, beating the brush. The circle of sportsmen, their weapons cocked and ready, finds only a burnt patch of earth and an unmistakable smell: the dragon, seeing itself cornered, has slipped from real to configurational space. An extremely obtuse and brutal creature, it does this instinctively, of course. Now, ignorant and backward persons will occasionally demand that you show them this configurational space of yours, apparently unaware that electrons, whose existence no one in his right mind would question, also move exclusively in configurational space, their comings and goings fully dependent on curves of probability. Though it is easier not to believe in electrons than in dragons: electrons, at least taken singly, won't try to make a meal of you.

A colleague of Trurl, one Harborizian Cybr, was the first to quantize a dragon, detecting a particle known as the dracotron, the energy of which is measured—obviously—in units of dracon by a dracometer, and he even determined the coordinates of its tail, for which he nearly paid with his life. Yet what did these scientific achievements concern the common folk, who were now greatly harassed by dragons ranging the countryside, filling the air with their howls and flames and trampling, and in places even exacting tribute in the form of young virgins? What did it concern the poor villagers that Trurl's dragons, indeterministic hence heuristic, were behaving exactly according to theory though contrary to all notions of decency, or that his theory could predict the curve of the tails that demolished their barns and leveled their crops? It is not surprising, then, that the general public, instead of appreciating the value of Trurl's revolutionary invention, held it much against him. A group of individuals thoroughly benighted in matters of science waylaid the famous constructor and gave him a good thrashing. Not that this deterred him and his friend Klapaucius from further experimentation, which showed that the extent of a dragon's existence depends mainly on its whim, though also on its degree of satiety, and that the only sure method of negating it is to reduce the probability to zero or lower. All this research, naturally enough, took a great deal of time and energy; meanwhile the dragons that had gotten loose were running rampant, laying waste to a variety of planets and moons. What was worse, they multiplied. Which enabled Klapaucius to publish an excellent article entitled "Covariant Transformation from Dragons to Dragonets, in the Special Case of Passage from States Forbidden by the Laws of Physics to Those Forbidden by the Local Authorities."
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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
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Genesis 9:18-29 The 3 sons of Noah went out of the ark. Ham was the father of Canaan.
And Noah worked the ground and planted grape vines. And Noah made wine from the grapes and became drunk. And Canaan found his grandfather unclothed and took sexual advantage of Noah... And Ham saw what had happened to Noah. And told his two brothers. They went in so as to not bring more shame on their Father. And Noah awoke and realized what Ham's son had done. and declared a curse on Canaan. He would be a servant to his uncles. Noah said Shem and Japheth are blessed of God. Noah lived another 350 years after the Great Flood and died. Noah lived a total of 950 years.


18 And the sons of Noah who are going out of the ark are Shem, and Ham, and Japheth; and Ham is father of Canaan.

19 These three [are] sons of Noah, and from these hath all the earth been overspread.

20 And Noah remaineth a man of the ground, and planteth a vineyard,

21 and drinketh of the wine, and is drunken, and uncovereth himself in the midst of the tent.

22 And Ham, father of Canaan, seeth the nakedness of his father, and declareth to his two brethren without.

23 And Shem taketh -- Japheth also -- the garment, and they place on the shoulder of them both, and go backward, and cover the nakedness of their father; and their faces [are] backward, and their father's nakedness they have not seen.

24 And Noah awaketh from his wine, and knoweth that which his young son hath done to him,

25 and saith: `Cursed [is] Canaan, Servant of servants he is to his brethren.'

26 And he saith: `Blessed of Jehovah my God [is] Shem, And Canaan is servant to him.

27 God doth give beauty to Japheth, And he dwelleth in tents of Shem, And Canaan is servant to him.'

28 And Noah liveth after the deluge three hundred and fifty years;

29 and all the days of Noah are nine hundred and fifty years, and he dieth.


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:28 am 
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Samantabhadra wrote:
What is the point of this thread?

To make one re-read the Bible and re-evaluate how one understands what one is reading...


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:46 am 
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Genesis 10
Young's Literal Translation (YLT) Here we see the early generations of the three sons of Noah. Ham becomes the father to the Canaanites they settle around the area where Sodom is built. Ham's son Cush begat Nimrod a hunter hero and he founded Babel & Nineveh among other cities.
Shem's grandsons witness the land divided --- possibly the continental split (see verse 25).

1 And these [are] births of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth; and born to them are sons after the deluge.

2 `Sons of Japheth [are] Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.

3 And sons of Gomer [are] Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.

4 And sons of Javan [are] Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.

5 By these have the isles of the nations been parted in their lands, each by his tongue, by their families, in their nations.

6 And sons of Ham [are] Cush, and Mitzraim, and Phut, and Canaan.

7 And sons of Cush [are] Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabtechah; and sons of Raamah [are] Sheba and Dedan.

8 And Cush hath begotten Nimrod;

9 he hath begun to be a hero in the land; he hath been a hero in hunting before Jehovah; therefore it is said, `As Nimrod the hero [in] hunting before Jehovah.'

10 And the first part of his kingdom is Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar;

11 from that land he hath gone out to Asshur, and buildeth Nineveh, even the broad places of the city, and Calah,

12 and Resen, between Nineveh and Calah; it [is] the great city.

13 And Mitzraim hath begotten the Ludim, and the Anamim, and the Lehabim, and the Naphtuhim,

14 and the Pathrusim, and the Casluhim, (whence have come out Philistim,) and the Caphtorim.

15 And Canaan hath begotten Sidon his first-born, and Heth,

16 and the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgashite,

17 and the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite,

18 and the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the Hamathite; and afterwards have the families of the Canaanite been scattered.

19 And the border of the Canaanite is from Sidon, [in] thy coming towards Gerar, unto Gaza; [in] thy coming towards Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, unto Lasha.

20 These [are] sons of Ham, by their families, by their tongues, in their lands, in their nations.

21 As to Shem, father of all sons of Eber, brother of Japheth the elder, he hath also begotten:

22 Sons of Shem [are] Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram.

23 And sons of Aram [are] Uz, and Hul, and Gether, and Mash.

24 And Arphaxad hath begotten Salah, and Salah hath begotten Eber.

25 And to Eber have two sons been born; the name of the one [is] Peleg (for in his days hath the earth been divided,) and his brother's name [is] Joktan.

26 And Joktan hath begotten Almodad, and Sheleph, and Hazarmaveth, and Jerah,

27 and Hadoram, and Uzal, and Diklah,

28 and Obal, and Abimael, and Sheba,

29 and Ophir, and Havilah, and Jobab; all these [are] sons of Joktan;

30 and their dwelling is from Mesha, [in] thy coming towards Sephar, a mount of the east.

31 These [are] sons of Shem, by their families, by their tongues, in their lands, by their nations.

32 These [are] families of the sons of Noah, by their births, in their nations, and by these have the nations been parted in the earth after the deluge.


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
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He is not really addressing the points; just rewriting the Bible.


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