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 Post subject: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:14 pm 
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Verse 1 for (God) declares, GOD! There is no trying to prove God exists. God just is ----take it or leave it. And He is the force that creates and starts the ball rolling... By "heavens and earth," I see space, orientation, and matter.
And with "in the beginning," I see the pendulum of time started into motion... What say you?

New International Version (©1984)
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

New Living Translation (©2007)
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

English Standard Version (©2001)
In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
In the beginning God created heaven and earth.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

American King James Version
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

American Standard Version
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Douay-Rheims Bible
In the beginning God created heaven, and earth.

Darby Bible Translation
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

English Revised Version
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Webster's Bible Translation
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

World English Bible
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Young's Literal Translation
In the beginning of God's preparing the heavens and the earth --


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:43 pm 
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LittleNipper wrote:
Verse 1 for me declares, GOD! There is no trying to prove God exists. God just is ----take it or leave it. And He is the force that creates and starts the ball rolling... By "heavens and earth," I see space, orientation, and matter.
And with "in the beginning," I see the pendulum of time started into motion... What say you?

Hi LittleNipper! Welcome to the board.

OK. I usually save some room in my mind for the existence of a God, but if you want to put it that way, I'll leave it rather than take it. There needs to be some proof or there is no reason to believe it.

The Bible (any version you would like to quote) is a collection of stories from a few thousand years ago. There has to be something other than "I said so" to make the postulation worth considering. Even the Bible doesn't claim itself to be the true word of God.

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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:49 pm 
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On the other hand, it doesn't say that a council of gods assembled the earth from pre-existing material.

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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:58 pm 
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MCB wrote:
On the other hand, it doesn't say that a council of gods assembled the earth from pre-existing material.


We all know it was two white mice who created the earth.

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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:58 pm 
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MCB wrote:
On the other hand, it doesn't say that a council of gods assembled the earth from pre-existing material.


I will give it that. Plus, we really don't know who wrote all those books of the Bible. We do, however, know who wrote that other book. Not someone whose word I would trust.

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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:01 pm 
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Themis wrote:
MCB wrote:
On the other hand, it doesn't say that a council of gods assembled the earth from pre-existing material.


We all know it was two white mice who created the earth.


When will "a hitchhiker's guide" finally be canonized?

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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:01 pm 
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Quasimodo wrote:
There has to be something other than "I said so" to make the postulation worth considering.


Yup

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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:28 pm 
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God just is ----take it or leave it.


I'll leave it...

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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:03 pm 
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Quasimodo wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:
Verse 1 for me declares, GOD! There is no trying to prove God exists. God just is ----take it or leave it. And He is the force that creates and starts the ball rolling... By "heavens and earth," I see space, orientation, and matter.
And with "in the beginning," I see the pendulum of time started into motion... What say you?

Hi LittleNipper! Welcome to the board.

OK. I usually save some room in my mind for the existence of a God, but if you want to put it that way, I'll leave it rather than take it. There needs to be some proof or there is no reason to believe it.

The Bible (any version you would like to quote) is a collection of stories from a few thousand years ago. There has to be something other than "I said so" to make the postulation worth considering. Even the Bible doesn't claim itself to be the true word of God.


Thanks, for your welcome. The truth is I see life on this planet. And science cannot provide a logical reason how it started or why scientists cannot seem to duplicate what would have to be a "simple" process, if it originated on its own with only nudges from "Mother Nature." I believe Job is the oldest book of the Bible --- many date it from 1900 to 1700 BC. Before this there seems likely to have been both an oral and constellation association tradition that was handed down from the time of Adam forward... Obviously, I cannot make you believe anything, but perhaps God will use discussions (such as this ) to plant seeds of faith to draw you. The Bible does say that in the beginning was the Word and the Word became flesh and dwelt among men.


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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:56 pm 
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Thanks, for your welcome. The truth is I see life on this planet. And science cannot provide a logical reason how it started or why scientists cannot seem to duplicate what would have to be a "simple" process, if it originated on its own with only nudges from "Mother Nature." I believe Job is the oldest book of the Bible --- many date it from 1900 to 1700 BC. Before this there seems likely to have been both an oral and constellation association tradition that was handed down from the time of Adam forward... Obviously, I cannot make you believe anything, but perhaps God will use discussions (such as this ) to plant seeds of faith to draw you. The Bible does say that in the beginning was the Word and the Word became flesh and dwelt among men.


It's a very long stretch from "science cannot provide a logical reason" to a Biblical explanation is true. It is true that science does not give an explanation of the origin of life on this planet. That's because science does not speculate. It only states what it knows. Religion claims to already know the answers without giving any proofs.

There are other religions and scriptures much older than the Bible. The Vedas (Hindu scripture) are nearly twice as old. Why don't you believe them?

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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
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http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/index.htm

I guess the best test is to read it, and see if it provides a better guide for living than the Bible.

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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:12 pm 
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MCB wrote:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/index.htm

I guess the best test is to read it, and see if it provides a better guide for living than the Bible.


Have you read the Bhagavad Gita? A very small book (it will take you a couple of hours to read). Available at any book store. It's lovely.

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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:20 pm 
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Quasimodo wrote:
MCB wrote:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/index.htm

I guess the best test is to read it, and see if it provides a better guide for living than the Bible.


Have you read the Bhagavad Gita? A very small book (it will take you a couple of hours to read). Available at any book store. It's lovely.



Just loaded it on my kindle - looking forward to reading it.

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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
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I will have to put it off for a while. I am in the middle of some other books recommended on the board. On the other hand, one of my e-mail correspondents did mention that I ought to diversify my interests.

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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:23 pm 
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Just loaded it on my kindle - looking forward to reading it.

You're in for a treat. Remember how old this is and how full of metaphors it is while you're reading it.

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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:24 pm 
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son of Ishmael wrote:

Just loaded it on my kindle - looking forward to reading it.

You're in for a treat. Remember how old this is and how full of metaphors it is while you're reading it.



I will let you know what I think.

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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:01 pm 
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MCB wrote:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/index.htm

I guess the best test is to read it, and see if it provides a better guide for living than the Bible.


I tend to take the good and discard the bad or incorrect if I can figure out which is which. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:05 pm 
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Themis wrote:
MCB wrote:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/index.htm

I guess the best test is to read it, and see if it provides a better guide for living than the Bible.


I tend to take the good and discard the bad or incorrect if I can figure out which is which. :wink:


That is really the trick, isn't it. It all comes down to what best meets our own criterion. I'm still confused about it all. I don't know what is true. I'm starting to get a handle on what is not true.

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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:10 pm 
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LittleNipper wrote:

Thanks, for your welcome. The truth is I see life on this planet. And science cannot provide a logical reason how it started or why scientists cannot seem to duplicate what would have to be a "simple" process, if it originated on its own with only nudges from "Mother Nature."


I see life on this planet as well. That science does not understand exactly how it originated does not lead me to believe in must have been created by some God. It just leads to the turtle problem.

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Obviously, I cannot make you believe anything, but perhaps God will use discussions (such as this ) to plant seeds of faith to draw you.


Quasimodo is right that you need to provide more then the " I said so" to realistically or reasonably get people to believe what you believe.

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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:02 pm 
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God created the universe because he was bored and lonely.

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He brooded in darkness and there was no one else. Not a voice, not a whisper. Not the touch of a hand. Not the warmth of another heart.

Darkness.

Solitude.

Eternal confinement where all was black and silent and nothing stirred. Imprisonment without prior condemnation. Punishment without sin. The unbearable that had to be borne unless some mode of escape could be devised.
No hope of rescue from elsewhere. No sorrow or sympathy or pity in another soul, another mind. No doors to be opened, no locks to be turned, no bars to be sawn apart. Only the thick, deep sable night in which to fumble and find nothing.

Circle a hand to the right and there is nought. Sweep an arm to the left and discover emptiness utter and complete. Walk forward through the darkness like a blind man lost in a vast, forgotten hall and there is no floor, no echo of footsteps, nothing to bar one’s path.
He could touch and sense one thing only. And that was self.
Therefore the only available resources with which to overcome his predicament were those secreted within himself. He must be the instrument of his own salvation.

How?
No problem is beyond solution. By that thesis science lives. Without it, science dies. He was the ultimate scientist. As such, he could not refuse this challenge to his capabilities.
His torments were those of boredom, loneliness, mental and physical sterility. They were not to be endured. The easiest escape is via the imagination. One hangs in a strait-jacket and flees the corporeal trap by adventuring in a dreamland of one’s own.
But dreams are not enough. They are unreal and all too brief. The freedom to be gained must be genuine and of long duration. That meant he must make a stern reality of dreams, a reality so contrived that it would persist for all time. It must be self-perpetuating. Nothing less would make escape complete.
So he sat in the great dark and battled the problem. There was no clock, no calendar to mark the length of thought. There were no external data upon which to compute. There was nothing, nothing except the workings within his agile mind.

And one thesis: no problem is beyond solution.
He found it eventually. It meant escape from everlasting night. It would provide experience, companionship, adventure, mental exercise, entertainment, warmth, love, the sound of voices, the touch of hands.
The plan was anything but rudimentary. On the contrary it was complicated enough to defy untangling for endless aeons. It had to be like that to have permanence. The unwanted alternative was swift return to silence and the bitter dark.
It took a deal of working out. A million and one aspects had to be considered along with all their diverse effects upon each other. And when that was done he had to cope with the next million. And so on ... on ... on.
He created a mighty dream of his own, a place of infinite complexity schemed in every detail to the last dot and comma. Within this he would live anew. But not as himself. He was going to dissipate his person into numberless parts, a great multitude of variegated shapes and forms each of which would have to battle its own peculiar environment.
And he would toughen the struggle to the limit of endurance by unthinking himself, handicapping his parts with appalling ignorance and forcing them to learn afresh. He would seed enmity between them by dictating the basic rules of the game. Those who observed the rules would be called good. Those who did not would be called bad. Thus there would be endless delaying conflicts within the one great conflict.
When all was ready and prepared he intended to disrupt and become no longer one, but an enormous concourse of entities. Then his parts must fight back to unity and himself.

But first he must make reality of the dream. Ah, that was the test!

The time was now. The experiment must begin.

Leaning forward, he gazed into the dark and said, ‘Let there be light.’

And there was light.

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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:09 am 
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In Genesis 1:2, we are told that the dust God created was still just a cloud. And that water God created was all collected in one place where God could float above it in total darkness. God had not created life to live in the dust cloud or in the water yet.
New Living Translation (©2007)
The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep waters. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.

English Standard Version (©2001)
The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep water. The Spirit of God was hovering over the water.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

American King James Version
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved on the face of the waters.

American Standard Version
And the earth was waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And the earth was void and empty, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the spirit of God moved over the waters.

Darby Bible Translation
And the earth was waste and empty, and darkness was on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

English Revised Version
And the earth was waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Webster's Bible Translation
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

World English Bible
Now the earth was formless and empty. Darkness was on the surface of the deep. God's Spirit was hovering over the surface of the waters.

Young's Literal Translation
the earth hath existed waste and void, and darkness is on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God fluttering on the face of the waters,


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