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 Post subject: Anti Mormons - description in Sunday School...
PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:15 am 
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So, during Sunday School today the teacher explained what an anti Mormon was:

"Anti Mormons are ex members who couldn't hack it"

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 Post subject: Re: Anti Mormons - description in Sunday School...
PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:50 am 
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You must have been sorely tempted to explain what "it" is.

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 Post subject: Re: Anti Mormons - description in Sunday School...
PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:37 pm 
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There is a theme running through all the Sunday School lessons.

Stay in the mainstream of the Church and don't get involved in topics that are at the fringes of Mormonism.

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 Post subject: Re: Anti Mormons - description in Sunday School...
PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 3:42 pm 
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The issues that trouble me don't seem like "fringe" issues, honestly. To me, they are at the heart and core of everything I am and have been over the past twenty odd years -- as a believer and as an apostate. I am not going to wake up tomorrow and think, "Oh, that stuff is wholly tangential!" Pretending that things don't matter to me when they really, really do seems like a bad idea. Every time I try it, it turns out poorly. I seem to get better results from simple honesty, with myself and others; but this keeps me from participating meaningfully at church.

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 Post subject: Re: Anti Mormons - description in Sunday School...
PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:22 pm 
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And this was taught in a Mormon Sunday School?


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 Post subject: Re: Anti Mormons - description in Sunday School...
PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 11:47 pm 
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LittleNipper wrote:
And this was taught in a Mormon Sunday School?


Yep, these two phrases about Anti-Mormons being ex members who couldn't hack Mormonism and the one warning about staying out of the fringes of Mormonism, crop up most weeks as themes in whatever the topic of the lesson.

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 Post subject: Re: Anti Mormons - description in Sunday School...
PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:28 am 
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Apt, but incomplete, description.

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 Post subject: Re: Anti Mormons - description in Sunday School...
PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:01 pm 
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And the anti-mormon "Drifting" misrepresents the actual truth of what is actually taught and said concerning anti-mormons.

He tells only half truth.

We all know that anti-mormons can be all kinds, and when and if it's ever mentioned in Sunday school, most of those aspects are also mentioned.


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 Post subject: Re: Anti Mormons - description in Sunday School...
PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:08 pm 
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Drifting wrote:
There is a theme running through all the Sunday School lessons.

Stay in the mainstream of the Church and don't get involved in topics that are at the fringes of Mormonism.


Like doctrine.


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 Post subject: Re: Anti Mormons - description in Sunday School...
PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:58 pm 
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Drifting wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:
And this was taught in a Mormon Sunday School?


Yep, these two phrases about Anti-Mormons being ex members who couldn't hack Mormonism and the one warning about staying out of the fringes of Mormonism, crop up most weeks as themes in whatever the topic of the lesson.

As a Christian, I've never heard a Sunday School discussion that atheists couldn't hack being Christian or talk about anyone ever leaving the particular church I was attending at the time. There has been mention concerning fence sitters. But that is about it. The only direction Sunday School took was Biblical in nature --- Bible lessons/stories, character models.


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 Post subject: Re: Anti Mormons - description in Sunday School...
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Drifting wrote:
So, during Sunday School today the teacher explained what an anti Mormon was:

"Anti Mormons are ex members who couldn't hack it"



Um...if "it" refers to doctrines and beliefs that are proven to be false or wrong based on solid facts and evidence then that would be accurate.

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 Post subject: Re: Anti Mormons - description in Sunday School...
PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:34 pm 
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Drifting wrote:
"Anti Mormons are ex members who couldn't hack it"


More like ex-members who now want to hack on it, but there are also atheists and crusading faithists who feel like kicking sand in the face of Mormonism.

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 Post subject: Re: Anti Mormons - description in Sunday School...
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It is important--very important--for Sunday School and other classes to differentiate between "anti-Mormons" and "ex-Mormons." The temple recommend questions specifically ask if you have any ties to anti-Mormon groups. If you do, then you may lose your recommend.

So... in short, anti-Mormons are not "Mormons who couldn't hack it." Anti-Mormons are people who actively work to destroy the LDS church. Most ex-Mormons do NOT fall into that category at all!


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 Post subject: Re: Anti Mormons - description in Sunday School...
PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:14 pm 
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Natsunekko wrote:
It is important--very important--for Sunday School and other classes to differentiate between "anti-Mormons" and "ex-Mormons." The temple recommend questions specifically ask if you have any ties to anti-Mormon groups. If you do, then you may lose your recommend.

So... in short, anti-Mormons are not "Mormons who couldn't hack it." Anti-Mormons are people who actively work to destroy the LDS church. Most ex-Mormons do NOT fall into that category at all!


There is definitely a huge difference between "anti-Mormon" and "ex-Mormon."


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 Post subject: Re: Anti Mormons - description in Sunday School...
PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:51 pm 
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Drifting wrote:
So, during Sunday School today the teacher explained what an anti Mormon was:

"Anti Mormons are ex members who couldn't hack it"

sounds about right....you sat silently and said nothing?
(your ward must be on a different lesson plan than mine......hmmmm?)

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 Post subject: Re: Anti Mormons - description in Sunday School...
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Augustus wrote:
Natsunekko wrote:
It is important--very important--for Sunday School and other classes to differentiate between "anti-Mormons" and "ex-Mormons." The temple recommend questions specifically ask if you have any ties to anti-Mormon groups. If you do, then you may lose your recommend.

So... in short, anti-Mormons are not "Mormons who couldn't hack it." Anti-Mormons are people who actively work to destroy the LDS church. Most ex-Mormons do NOT fall into that category at all!


There is definitely a huge difference between "anti-Mormon" and "ex-Mormon."

is this huge difference the being able to "hack it"?

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 Post subject: Re: Anti Mormons - description in Sunday School...
PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:02 pm 
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No, I think it's a difference of intention. Anti-Mormons wants to save the Mormons and/or destroy the LDS Church, whereas ex-Mormons are a diverse group of people with a variety of beliefs.


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 Post subject: Re: Anti Mormons - description in Sunday School...
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:53 am 
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subgenius wrote:
Drifting wrote:
So, during Sunday School today the teacher explained what an anti Mormon was:

"Anti Mormons are ex members who couldn't hack it"

sounds about right....you sat silently and said nothing?
(your ward must be on a different lesson plan than mine......hmmmm?)


Yes, I sat and said nothing.
What would have been gained by asking:
1. Excuse me, how do you know, do you associate with anti-Mormons? Do you trawl the Internet looking at Anti-Mormon stuff?
2. What is it that you would class as the fringes of Mormonism? Are there parts of Church history and doctrine that you would class as not mainstream and things we should stay away from?

I think we are on the same lesson plan, but the teacher has a theme that runs inside each lesson. Maybe that's an instruction or maybe that's a personal view, I don't know. But it is a counsel to the members in that class to not go looking, to not go researching, outside of the core things taught in the lesson.

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 Post subject: Re: Anti Mormons - description in Sunday School...
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:56 am 
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ldsfaqs wrote:
And the anti-mormon "Drifting" misrepresents the actual truth of what is actually taught and said concerning anti-mormons.

He tells only half truth.

We all know that anti-mormons can be all kinds, and when and if it's ever mentioned in Sunday school, most of those aspects are also mentioned.


Can you show me the 'half truth' that I told?

If you are referring to the description of an anti Mormon, that is not my description, it is the description given by the teacher.

When we're you appointed spokesperson for the content of all Sunday School lessons worldwide?

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