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 Post subject: Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:42 pm 
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gdemetz wrote:
Of course, we worship the Father and pray to the Father! That is what Christ taught, isn't it?!?



The Bible says Worship and pray to Jesus, so does the Book of Mormon

Matthew 8
1 When he was come down from the mountain, great multitudes followed him. 2And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him

Matthew 9:
18 While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead:

Mathew 15:
25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. 26But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it to dogs.

Matthew 28:
9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him. 10Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me

Acts 7
59 And they stoned Stephen as he was calling on God and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60Then he knelt down and cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not charge them with this sin.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

1 Corinthians 1
1 Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
2 To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all who in every place call on the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:



3 Nephi 19:
18 And behold, they began to pray; and they did pray unto Jesus, calling him their Lord and their God.

22 Father, thou hast given them the Holy Ghost because they believe in ame; and thou seest that they believe in me because thou hearest them, and they pray unto me; and they pray unto me because I am with them.

30 And when Jesus had spoken these words he came again unto his disciples; and behold they did pray steadfastly, without ceasing, unto him; and he did smile upon them again; and behold they were white, even as Jesus.

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 Post subject: Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:46 pm 
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That's OK too Mittens! You appear to be really confused! Didn't Thomas worship Christ calling Him My Lord and my God, and didn't John the Revelator worship Him also, and that's from the Bible!


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 Post subject: Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:32 pm 
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gdemetz wrote:
That's OK too Mittens! You appear to be really confused! Didn't Thomas worship Christ calling Him My Lord and my God, and didn't John the Revelator worship Him also, and that's from the Bible!



correct, Jesus was worshipped and Evangelic Christians Worship and sing Praises to him all the time

http://youtu.be/DdQ79-GBRi4

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 Post subject: Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:53 am 
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Are you actually beginning to see the light? I hope so, but I am not getting my hopes up too much!


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 Post subject: Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:22 am 
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Now I really am confused by the turn of this thread. Gdemetz, are you suggesting that Christians do not worship Jesus as Lord and as God? It does appear that you are saying this? Emphatically, Christians worship Jesus as Lord and as God since that is exactly who he is...Emmanuel, God with Us. He is one with the Father as God and as such is worthy of our praise and worship. You will not find a Christian minister, preacher, evangelist, whatever, suggest otherwise whereas at least one "apostle" of Mormonism is on record as telling Mormons they should not worship Jesus.

John 3:6-9 "Jesus answered: "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on you doi know him and have seen him. Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us. Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father."


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 Post subject: Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:28 pm 
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Albion, I am really worried about you and Mittens and your ability to read and comprehend. I didn't state that at all. I pointed out how Thomas and John worshiped Christ!


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 Post subject: Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:48 pm 
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gdemetz wrote:
Are you actually beginning to see the light? I hope so, but I am not getting my hopes up too much!


However McConkie says not to have personal relationship with Jesus or worship Jesus


Our Relationship with the Lord

BRUCE R. MCCONKIE

Now, it is no secret that many false and vain and foolish things are being taught in the sectarian world and even among us about our need to gain a special relationship with the Lord Jesus. I shall summarize the true doctrine in this field and invite erring teachers and beguiled students to repent and believe the accepted gospel verities as I shall set them forth.
We worship the Father and him only and no one else.

We do not worship the Son, and we do not worship the Holy Ghost. I know perfectly well what the scriptures say about worshipping Christ and Jehovah, but they are speaking in an entirely different sense--the sense of standing in awe and being reverentially grateful to him who has redeemed us. Worship in the true and saving sense is reserved for God the first, the Creator.


Christ worked out his own salvation by worshiping the Father.
After the Firstborn of the Father, while yet a spirit being, had gained power and
intelligence that made him like unto God; after he had become, under the Father, the Creator of worlds without number; after he had reigned on the throne of eternal power as the Lord Omnipotent--after all this he yet had to gain a mortal and then an immortal body.

http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6843

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 Post subject: Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:19 pm 
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My comprehension is fine is was the post and what you appeared to say that left me puzzled.


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 Post subject: Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:34 pm 
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Trust me Albion. It is your comprehension! Also Mittens, I don't totally agree with McConkie about what you quoted. It is true that our worship should be directed to our Heavenly Father as Christ Himself pointed out. However, I already gave examples of how it was not wrong to also worship Christ. Consider this following verse from the BofM:

"Father, thou hast given them the Holy Ghost because they believe in me; and thou seest that they believe iin me because thou hearest them, and they pray unto me; and they pray unto me because I am with them." 3 Nephi 19:22


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 Post subject: Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:17 am 
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gdemetz wrote:
Trust me Albion. It is your comprehension! Also Mittens, I don't totally agree with McConkie about what you quoted. It is true that our worship should be directed to our Heavenly Father as Christ Himself pointed out. However, I already gave examples of how it was not wrong to also worship Christ. Consider this following verse from the BofM:

"Father, thou hast given them the Holy Ghost because they believe in me; and thou seest that they believe iin me because thou hearest them, and they pray unto me; and they pray unto me because I am with them." 3 Nephi 19:22


Gordon B Hinckley (during one of his 'I do know' moments) stated:
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We do not worship [Joseph Smith] the Prophet. We worship God our Eternal Father and the risen Lord Jesus Christ. But we acknowledge the Prophet; we proclaim him; we respect him; we reverence him as an instrument in the hands of the Almighty in restoring to the earth the ancient truths of the divine gospel, together with the priesthood through which the authority of God is exercised in the affairs of His Church and for the blessing of His people” (Gordon B. Hinckley, “Joseph Smith Jr.—Prophet of God, Mighty Servant,” Ensign, Dec 2005, 2–6).

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 Post subject: Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:00 am 
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Mittens wrote:
....3 Nephi 19:
18 And behold, they began to pray; and they did pray unto Jesus, calling him their Lord and their God.

22 Father, thou hast given them the Holy Ghost because they believe in ame; and thou seest that they believe in me because thou hearest them, and they pray unto me; and they pray unto me because I am with them.

30 And when Jesus had spoken these words he came again unto his disciples; and behold they did pray steadfastly, without ceasing, unto him; and he did smile upon them again; and behold they were white, even as Jesus.

(emphasis bold above mine)
your incompetence is showing (again)...did you even read what you posted? verse 22 clearly details, from Christ, why they were praying to Him.
You realize you are most successful at making Mormons look literate and competent while making evangelicals seem fanatical and disheveled?
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 Post subject: Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:12 am 
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subgenius wrote:

(emphasis bold above mine)
your incompetence is showing (again)...did you even read what you posted? verse 22 clearly details, from Christ, why they were praying to Him.
You realize you are most successful at making Mormons look literate and competent while making evangelicals seem fanatical and disheveled?
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I hate to admit it, but I've been thinking the same thing.

BTW, where did you get your dancing banana? We need more smilies on this board!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:34 am 
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subgenius wrote:
Mittens wrote:
....3 Nephi 19:
18 And behold, they began to pray; and they did pray unto Jesus, calling him their Lord and their God.

22 Father, thou hast given them the Holy Ghost because they believe in ame; and thou seest that they believe in me because thou hearest them, and they pray unto me; and they pray unto me because I am with them.

30 And when Jesus had spoken these words he came again unto his disciples; and behold they did pray steadfastly, without ceasing, unto him; and he did smile upon them again; and behold they were white, even as Jesus.

(emphasis bold above mine)
your incompetence is showing (again)...did you even read what you posted? verse 22 clearly details, from Christ, why they were praying to Him.
You realize you are most successful at making Mormons look literate and competent while making evangelicals seem fanatical and disheveled?
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Maybe, but God demonstrates His power by using those who are weak and not the mighty, strong and clever.


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 Post subject: Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:35 pm 
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That's funny Sub! Yea Nipper, that's why God used Joseph, the unlearned (see Isaiah 29)!


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 Post subject: Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:16 pm 
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gdemetz wrote:
Trust me Albion. It is your comprehension! Also Mittens, I don't totally agree with McConkie about what you quoted. It is true that our worship should be directed to our Heavenly Father as Christ Himself pointed out. However, I already gave examples of how it was not wrong to also worship Christ. Consider this following verse from the BofM:

"Father, thou hast given them the Holy Ghost because they believe in me; and thou seest that they believe iin me because thou hearest them, and they pray unto me; and they pray unto me because I am with them." 3 Nephi 19:22



Lets see gdemetz, not probably a general authority in Mormonism, but gives his opinion over a general authority . I wonder who knows Mormonism better

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 Post subject: Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:21 pm 
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At the risk of being obtuse...why would they pray to Jesus because he is with them? A simple explanation please. If he was with them, wouldn't a simple conversation do the trick? Just asking.


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 Post subject: Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:26 pm 
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For your information MIttens, the general authorities all have opinions also, and they don't always agree. If you want to take issue, then take issue with the truth and quotes I posted!


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 Post subject: Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:53 pm 
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I'll take a general authority's opinion over yours anyday about Mormonism

and I'll take my understanding about the Trinity over yours anyday also, since I went to a Private Christian School and studied it and believe it over someone who considers it an abomination since his leaders say so and hasn't really investagated it and parrots there rehetoric on it. and can give you all kinds of sourses that agree with me, even Tim Tebows Father's site on the internet

Here's Tim Tebows Father site and More on the Trinity, all say Three separate and Distinct Persons One God

To declare the Doctrine of the Trinity "Within the nature of the One TRUE God there are three separate and Distinct persons, The Father, the SON , and the Holy Spirit"



[url http://www.btea.org/whatwebelieve.asp][/url]

http://carm.org/what-trinity

http://christiandefense.org/doctrinal.htm

http://youtu.be/XKVeEsZBnsA Trinity

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 Post subject: Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:32 pm 
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Mittens, you may believe whatever you choose to believe! You can even believe Judas, or the apostle Paul Dunn who lied many times, or you can believe other prophets and apostles who have in the past erred by making incorrect statements! It's all up to you! However, what I have told you is the true Mormon Doctrine! Also, what I have told you about the false teaching of the trinity is also true! Just check out these following statements from various so-called Christian faiths and see for yourself if they don't come up with the same BS about three Gods in one being just as Wikipedia has stated!!!

Catholic: "The MYSTERY {Babylon} of the most holy trinity is the central MYSTERY {Babylon} of the Christian faith and of Christian life. God alone {and Mittens} can make it known unto us by revealing Himself {ONE BEING} as the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit."

Southern Baptist Convention: "The eternal triune God REVEALS HIMSELF TO US AS FATHER, SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT, WITH DISTINCT PERSONAL ATTRIBUTES, BUT WITHOUT DIVISION OF NATURE ESSENCE OR BEING" {IN OTHER WORDS, ONE BEING!}.


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 Post subject: Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:12 am 
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gdemetz wrote:
Mittens, you may believe whatever you choose to believe! You can even believe Judas, or the apostle Paul Dunn who lied many times, or you can believe other prophets and apostles who have in the past erred by making incorrect statements! It's all up to you! However, what I have told you is the true Mormon Doctrine!


Interestingly, the people you listed as examples of Prophets and Authorities who have lied also claimed to be telling the truth....

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 Post subject: Re: Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:15 am 
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Albion wrote:
At the risk of being obtuse...why would they pray to Jesus because he is with them? A simple explanation please. If he was with them, wouldn't a simple conversation do the trick? Just asking.


If Jesus was in front of me, and teaching me, I would be on my knees in humility and in tears of joy, while words of praise and worship and adoration falling from my lips could not be stemmed. At that time, I certainly wouldn't NOT tell Jesus how much I love and adore Him, and appreciate all that He has done. So I wouldn't pray to Father to give Jesus the message. I would give Jesus the message personally.

However, since Jesus is NOT personnally in front of me at this moment, my prayers are directed to Father - just like Jesus taught us to do. I will also sing praises to Jesus because He IS my savior. I realize that singing is a form of prayer; but it is not the same thing as a formalized prayer.

Ultimately, I think Father is pleased with whether we are praying to Him directly; or if we are praying to Jesus. However, since Jesus DID give us the proper method of prayer, I try to do so....even though, at times, I am feeling so much joy and my cup runneth over, that I WILL speak to Jesus as well as to Father.

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